Will Morrowind be a flop?

kevlarto_ESO

Nope only a flop to those unwilling to adapt to the new resource change, it will bring a lot people back and thousands of wardens will be running wild. Hope they have a dlc in the works for when the shine wears off to keep the flow going.

Nord_Templar

After the release of the update "One Tamriel", last year, I I realized already that all the changes only worsen the existing game, and I do not expect anything good from Zenimax. Now in the game areas of my Alliance run ultra Veterans of enemy alliances, and behave impudently, cynically. Dueling in cities. Murders of civilians. Many of them I hate in PvP. They are enemies!

... I'm pass the quest, and they run like a herd of deer into the cave, and run ahead, kill the monsters and Boss. My quest is spoiled. But they do not care.

angelncelestine

I don't think it will be a complete flop. People will most likely enjoy the content. New class, quests, and battle grounds. But with that said IMO I do believe if they leave the nerfs to sustain and there changes to class abilities and passives players that have already completed the base game and DLCs will start dwindling. My prediction is that I can't imagine many people enjoying a huge loss to DPS and spamming heavy attacks forever in a vet dungeon. And as for vet trials for the average player or for that matter even normal ones it sounds like from pts feedback are only going to be but a dream. So then what is there to do? Fish, farm, retire to your home? Or I guess take a break from the game or sadly quit.

acw37162

In what sense.

Financially it will be a huge success, there will be a metric crap ton of people who buy the game and chapter/expansion.

There will be a ton of people who drop a metric crap ton of cash on new crown store goodies cp scrolls, houses, new gamble boxes.

There will be a ton of people leave the game due to some of the balance issues and changes.

A portion of new players to the game may stick around for a little while.


ZOS and it's parent company make a metric crap ton of cash we get to play for a little while longer.

Emmagoldman

I dont think its a cash grab, sorry. Just because there's a price doesn't mean they're throwing out content just to make a quick buck. Until we abolish capitalism and the state and federate all production with directly democratic councils, there will be a price for products. You should expect eso, or any mmo to create new content with a price tag and cash shop grabs. Its a business at the end of the day.

Morrowind offers a lot, though I dont like some of the balance changes. However, I havent tried them either. Battlegrounds, huge map, wardrn, new armor motifs, trial.

A flop, I dont think so. However, they did loose momentum for sure do to the drastic combat changes. The last two patches were in the right direction. This one seems massive

qsnoopyjr

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Mephisto939 wrote: »

I am still on the fence, and it's getting hard to justify supporting the directions ZOS is taking. Plus it feels like a bit of a cash grab. Why am paying a monthly subscription only to have to fork out more cash for this DLC. There has been a lot of impassioned arguments and criticism on these forums. Deltia is quitting. but
I get the impression that the PTS notes were just the straw that broke the camel's back. I think I will wait and see how things shake out before deciding whether or not to buy it.

The update is ***. Idk zos plans to learn from turning the game upside down, and shaking it. Now we have what, six weeks left? That doesn't make alot of room to revert alot of the changes, come up with a reliable means to analyze and pinpoint balance issues, and then correct any major bugs introduced by this 1 patch segment alone. And there is more to come.

From what I see, zenimax is not in a stable form of thinking/reason, we likely will not see a realistic approach to balancing changes. I think what will happen is the floor gets lowered alot due to these changes, alot more nitpicking for teams, and quite likelt we will see many more game changing bugs involved with the combat system for the next 6mo-3years.

Will it flop? Most likely. We will see, that's all we can do at this point. I don't see many people buying the expanions for a p2w no crown class thst will be nerfed in 3 months time due to 'p2w' forum outrage. Role players are the only winners in this update.

Well said,

it they had ladders it would be more friendly for smaller group play too
Well said about PvE aspect too.

This game unlike traditional MMORPGs, RPGs, monsters dont have fire resist frost resist, etc.
Which allows one build, the one that deals most DPS to be the only build, since all the monsters are pretty much the same. No special resistances. No monster negates a build because the build is something like a fire based BSW.

This game is so standardized.
You think Morrowind is going to be a huge hit, especially when this game already imposes several restrictions on itself?
This game doesnt support acrobatics skill line from the Elder Scrolls RPG
This game doesnt support levitation effect from the Elder Scrolls RPG
This game doesnt support the fury effect from the Elder Scrolls RPG
This game doesnt support ladders on keeps (we would like to restrict only one way entry (taking down doors or walls, thats how GW2 does, they are benchmark and we follow them)
This game doesnt support athletics skill line from the Elder Scrolls RPG
This game doesnt support enchanting as it appears in the Elder Scrolls RPG
This game doesnt support spellcrafting from the Elder Scrolls RPG

Restriction restriction restriction
Can they do levitation? Yes
Can they do high jumping? Yes
Can they do fury? yes
Can they do ladders? yes
Can they do insane fast running? yes
Can they do enchanting like the RPG version of Elder Scrolls? Yes
Can they do spellcrafting? yes

But they do not do. They like to limit playerbase power.
They do not empower the playerbase, ESO is autocratic lead game, its the bosses way or the highway. Democracy? Lassiez faire? Nope. You dont have any say, you may try to influence, but its their way or the highway.

You dont like restrictions? Leave.

Pops_ND_Irish

Morrowind will be great, but the few flamers, who are never happy have already doomed it.

seaef

MoTeets wrote: »

Morrowind will be great, but the few flamers, who are never happy have already doomed it.

We knew the special snowflakes wouldn't like it. That's just the way they are. You can safely ignore them.

angelncelestine

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Nope only a flop to those unwilling to adapt to the new resource change, it will bring a lot people back and thousands of wardens will be running wild. Hope they have a dlc in the works for when the shine wears off to keep the flow going.

Yep 2 new dungeons!! I can't wait to heavy attack my way through them! Should be a blast said no one ever!

qsnoopyjr

angelncelestine wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Nope only a flop to those unwilling to adapt to the new resource change, it will bring a lot people back and thousands of wardens will be running wild. Hope they have a dlc in the works for when the shine wears off to keep the flow going.

Yep 2 new dungeons!! I can't wait to heavy attack my way through them! Should be a blast said no one ever!

For MMORPGs the thing is zones and raids.
Dungeons are just another word ESO uses to get away from the less liked word called "instances"
Don't let these marketing folks trick you, you should be thankful I'm a summa *** laude in marketing to catch these wiley tactics their marketing team tries to do to get you to think of something a different way.

Because marketers, we LOVE to sterotype people, we LOVE to put you into a category and tell you, you are this sterotype. It's just instead of using sterotype they use other words.

Anywho, this is Morrowind, Morrowind isnt a dungeon based game, its the environment feel, the feel going through the cities, the feel of going through ash mountains, feel of daedric shrines, feel of encountering a random monster.
ESO Current state, does not have much daedric involved in it.
ESO current state does not make the cities very enjoyable feeling of thievery, the vibe, and quests within the city (note to you, Mournhold expansion got the notion people love being in the cities in Morrowind, hence they made the expansion entirely city based)
ESO current state zones.... It's STATIC, you already know where every single monster is at, there is NO feeling of random encounter with monsters like you have in Morrowind. (You have older games like Everquest that do better job with creating intense feeling of zone by having monsters wander all over it, you be in some inn selling stuff and all sudden a giant spider is attacking you)
ESO current state, daedric shrines??? If there is any, its a complete joke, it does not have the eerie feeling like the ones in Morrowind have, same goes for those dwemer ruins. Dwemer ruins in ESO are so common, there is literally no eerie feeling or any feeling going into them. ESPECIALLY when monsters are STATIC aka always in same spot, nothing ever changes.
ESO cities again, a joke, even the mini cities, Morrowind does a better job, the ashlander huts... the tel vanni towers, the forts.

Basically what I see is OLDER games have those little things... That make them good, and these new games (ESO, GW2) they lack these... little things.

I'd rather have these little things that make game enjoyable, than someone to waste time on big meaningless stuff.
Like... Is it so hard to ask, for the monsters to wander... to make the game, feel more lifelike... rather than static, never moving, just sitting here to die. Thats just 1 of the LITTLE things.

Litterally... Someone could make an addon, shows where each kind of monster is at, where they at, how many are over there... cuz these monsters in current state ESO.. Dont move.
I could write a strategy guide. farming pelts, you have this lion that never moves.

Basically what I'm saying, one of the things that make Morrowind great is unpredictability of where monsters are at, and created feeling towards it, COUPLED with other LITTLE things that may not seem like a big deal, but they make huge differences.

qsnoopyjr

They should have something to indicate that I'm a Summa *** Laude in marketing, so when you guys try to tell me about marketing, you know you are wrong, cuz I have a bachelor in marketing and you don't, so obviously you know who knows what they talking about when it comes to marketing. So you guys know better than to talk against me when it comes to marketing cuz I have a degree in marketing, and you dont mess with people with degrees in marketing.

Marketing degree unlike engineering, it, finance, and accounting is a lot harder to obtain. Because with marketing you have to be good at 'critical thinking', which is something that engineering, it, finance, and accounting degree holders do not have or are capable of. With engineering degree, it, finance, and accounting, its nothing but memorization. memorizing concept of building house, memorizing coding rules, memorizing finance and accounting recording practices. With marketing, when you get asked to increase consumer, increase usage... there is no formula, there is nothing to memorize, its 'critical thinking', engineer, it, finance, and accounting degree holders cannot do that. However a marketer can easily learn formula, learn recording practices, coding rules, its standardized, its "google able". Getting people to like your game, getting more consumers to play the game??? You cannot google that folks. Thats why marketing degree is very valueable, and very difficult to obtain. Have you seen the drop rate of people pursuing marketing degree compared to it, engineering, finance, and accounting? its insane. You guys should be very thankful, to have someone that has a marketing degree like myself to be part of the ESO community, not only am i marketing major, I'm cumma sum laude.

So I wouldn't bother trying to argue with me, because I went to school for marketing, I know what it takes, I see 360 degree view of everything rather than 120 narrow minded view. I should be given a special star indicating that I deserve respect on this forum. finance, it, engineering, and accounting majors are dime a dozen, but when you get someone in marketing, thats like a needle in a haystack. I should be given utmost respect for all posts I decide to share.

One other thing worth mentioning.
CEO's.... Do not come from... IT... Engineering... Finance.... Accounting...
CEO's
they come from people with marketing background.

Reason being, Accounting, Finance, IT, and Engineering lack 'critical thinking' skills that people with background in Marketing have become masters at.

Perfect example is someone who says "Morrowind hasnt came out yet, we cant judge it"
Reason being, they havent seen the math (content), they cannot apply formula to judge it.

A marketer like myself.
Yep, Morrowind is going to be a flop.
Critical thinking skills have come into play, we look at variables unseen by IT, Engineering, Finance, and Accounting folks... Because they have 120 vision, while marketers have 360 vision.
We are not ignorant and we stereotype, and let me tell you something, the variables I have seen from this game. It fits a certain stereotype, which I conclude Morrowind is gonna be a flop.

Mainly because of lacking LITTLE THINGS.
If they cannot figure out what LITTLE THINGS mean, well, this MMORPG is going to follow trend of the other MMORPGs.

Just so you know too. I've competed NSAC. So yeah, do not mess with me when it comes to marketing. I will REKT you.

newtinmpls

WhitC1935 wrote: »

I am confused and have a dumb question having not followed too much of the details for Morrowind. Is it a DLC addition on ESO or a stand alone game? From what little I have read it seems to be stand alone. If it is stand alone, then I definitely will not participate. Not sure what I will do if it is actually a DLC addition to the main game.

Original Morrowind was a stand-alone game, it was TES III, and still has many adherents/addicts/devotees (take your pick - and include me in that pile). It was a classic in terms of open world, story, self-pacing and the distinct and unique world with very distinct areas including flora and fauna and whole "looks" and even sounds specific to the various localities.

It has undergone an incredible amount of mods, including a re-vamp which (called SkyWind if I recall correctly) which mods it to Skyrim level graphics.

That being said, the "Morrowind" that is being discussed/DLC-ed here is essentially a DLC for ESO

So yes, its both.

newtinmpls

colig wrote: »

It won't be a flop. However, I predict it will fall far short of the rosy reputation the original Morrowind cultivated. It's just another DLC as opposed to the ambitious project in open world gameplay its predecessor pursued.

And this isn't "good" or "bad".... it just is.

NobleNerd

Mephisto939 wrote: »

WhitC1935 wrote: »

I am confused and have a dumb question having not followed too much of the details for Morrowind. Is it a DLC addition on ESO or a stand alone game? From what little I have read it seems to be stand alone. If it is stand alone, then I definitely will not participate. Not sure what I will do if it is actually a DLC addition to the main game.

I think they are deliberately confusing people by calling it an "expansion" but it's a DLC.

It is not a DLC. It is what they are calling a "Chapter" which in most MMO talk is an expansion. Unfortunately there is a lot of changes that ZOS is doing that is deemed unnecessary and quite frankly moronic.

wakeyjimb16_ESO

neverwalk wrote: »

see how thick their steak is.

I apologise if this is a Canadian phrase but if it's, rather, a spelling error then my guilty mind chuckled over the unintended innuendo that I got out of this...

wakeyjimb16_ESO

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

They should have something to indicate that I'm a Summa *** Laude in marketing, so when you guys try to tell me about marketing, you know you are wrong, cuz I have a bachelor in marketing and you don't, so obviously you know who knows what they talking about when it comes to marketing. So you guys know better than to talk against me when it comes to marketing cuz I have a degree in marketing, and you dont mess with people with degrees in marketing.

Marketing degree unlike engineering, it, finance, and accounting is a lot harder to obtain. Because with marketing you have to be good at 'critical thinking', which is something that engineering, it, finance, and accounting degree holders do not have or are capable of. With engineering degree, it, finance, and accounting, its nothing but memorization. memorizing concept of building house, memorizing coding rules, memorizing finance and accounting recording practices. With marketing, when you get asked to increase consumer, increase usage... there is no formula, there is nothing to memorize, its 'critical thinking', engineer, it, finance, and accounting degree holders cannot do that. However a marketer can easily learn formula, learn recording practices, coding rules, its standardized, its "google able". Getting people to like your game, getting more consumers to play the game??? You cannot google that folks. Thats why marketing degree is very valueable, and very difficult to obtain. Have you seen the drop rate of people pursuing marketing degree compared to it, engineering, finance, and accounting? its insane. You guys should be very thankful, to have someone that has a marketing degree like myself to be part of the ESO community, not only am i marketing major, I'm cumma sum laude.

So I wouldn't bother trying to argue with me, because I went to school for marketing, I know what it takes, I see 360 degree view of everything rather than 120 narrow minded view. I should be given a special star indicating that I deserve respect on this forum. finance, it, engineering, and accounting majors are dime a dozen, but when you get someone in marketing, thats like a needle in a haystack. I should be given utmost respect for all posts I decide to share.

One other thing worth mentioning.
CEO's.... Do not come from... IT... Engineering... Finance.... Accounting...
CEO's
they come from people with marketing background.

Reason being, Accounting, Finance, IT, and Engineering lack 'critical thinking' skills that people with background in Marketing have become masters at.

Perfect example is someone who says "Morrowind hasnt came out yet, we cant judge it"
Reason being, they havent seen the math (content), they cannot apply formula to judge it.

A marketer like myself.
Yep, Morrowind is going to be a flop.
Critical thinking skills have come into play, we look at variables unseen by IT, Engineering, Finance, and Accounting folks... Because they have 120 vision, while marketers have 360 vision.
We are not ignorant and we stereotype, and let me tell you something, the variables I have seen from this game. It fits a certain stereotype, which I conclude Morrowind is gonna be a flop.

Mainly because of lacking LITTLE THINGS.
If they cannot figure out what LITTLE THINGS mean, well, this MMORPG is going to follow trend of the other MMORPGs.

Just so you know too. I've competed NSAC. So yeah, do not mess with me when it comes to marketing. I will REKT you.

Wow.

seaef

wakeyjimb16_ESO wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

They should have something to indicate that I'm a Summa *** Laude in marketing, so when you guys try to tell me about marketing, you know you are wrong, cuz I have a bachelor in marketing and you don't, so obviously you know who knows what they talking about when it comes to marketing. So you guys know better than to talk against me when it comes to marketing cuz I have a degree in marketing, and you dont mess with people with degrees in marketing.

Marketing degree unlike engineering, it, finance, and accounting is a lot harder to obtain. Because with marketing you have to be good at 'critical thinking', which is something that engineering, it, finance, and accounting degree holders do not have or are capable of. With engineering degree, it, finance, and accounting, its nothing but memorization. memorizing concept of building house, memorizing coding rules, memorizing finance and accounting recording practices. With marketing, when you get asked to increase consumer, increase usage... there is no formula, there is nothing to memorize, its 'critical thinking', engineer, it, finance, and accounting degree holders cannot do that. However a marketer can easily learn formula, learn recording practices, coding rules, its standardized, its "google able". Getting people to like your game, getting more consumers to play the game??? You cannot google that folks. Thats why marketing degree is very valueable, and very difficult to obtain. Have you seen the drop rate of people pursuing marketing degree compared to it, engineering, finance, and accounting? its insane. You guys should be very thankful, to have someone that has a marketing degree like myself to be part of the ESO community, not only am i marketing major, I'm cumma sum laude.

So I wouldn't bother trying to argue with me, because I went to school for marketing, I know what it takes, I see 360 degree view of everything rather than 120 narrow minded view. I should be given a special star indicating that I deserve respect on this forum. finance, it, engineering, and accounting majors are dime a dozen, but when you get someone in marketing, thats like a needle in a haystack. I should be given utmost respect for all posts I decide to share.

One other thing worth mentioning.
CEO's.... Do not come from... IT... Engineering... Finance.... Accounting...
CEO's
they come from people with marketing background.

Reason being, Accounting, Finance, IT, and Engineering lack 'critical thinking' skills that people with background in Marketing have become masters at.

Perfect example is someone who says "Morrowind hasnt came out yet, we cant judge it"
Reason being, they havent seen the math (content), they cannot apply formula to judge it.

A marketer like myself.
Yep, Morrowind is going to be a flop.
Critical thinking skills have come into play, we look at variables unseen by IT, Engineering, Finance, and Accounting folks... Because they have 120 vision, while marketers have 360 vision.
We are not ignorant and we stereotype, and let me tell you something, the variables I have seen from this game. It fits a certain stereotype, which I conclude Morrowind is gonna be a flop.

Mainly because of lacking LITTLE THINGS.
If they cannot figure out what LITTLE THINGS mean, well, this MMORPG is going to follow trend of the other MMORPGs.

Just so you know too. I've competed NSAC. So yeah, do not mess with me when it comes to marketing. I will REKT you.

Wow.

Yeah. Someone should tell him a Bachelor's degree is the equivalent of a high-school diploma these days.

I also don't know too many marketing gurus who use the non-word 'cuz'

aisriyth_ESO

I pre-ordered the physical CE the moment it went up on amazon.

I totally understand some peoples issues, however for me i am okay with the changes, i do wish they'd get rid of CP's and try to do a real AA system but alas.

Tholian1

I don't know if it will be a flop or not. I hope not.

To try and get an idea how well the other DLCs have done on PS4, I went and looked at the trophy achievements.

Orsinium

Wrothgar Adventurer - Complete 27 quests in Wrothgar - 2.2%

Kingmaker - Complete Wrothgar's main quests - 2.3%

Thieves Guild

Welcome to the Thieves Guild - Join the Thieves Guild by completing quest "Partners in Crime" in Hew's Bane - 6.2%

Hero of Hew's Bane - Complete quests, defeat bosses, and explore delves to become the Hero of Hew's Bane - 0.5%

Dark Brotherhood

First Blood - Join the Dark Brotherhood and complete the "Voices in the Dark" quest - 6.7%

Bane of the Gold Coast - Complete quests, defeat bosses, and explore delves to become the Bane of the Gold Coast - 0.4%

Huyen

Funny how everyone calls it a cash-grab. You know every other game-maker does the same? Games at launch: 60 euro's or more. A few months later when the hype has gone down: pick them up for 10 euro's instead. As long as there is greed in the world this stuff will happen. Either you buy it, or you dont. No point in making more of these topics.

DanaDark

Will this thread be anything more than personal speculation?