Will Morrowind be a flop?

Mephisto939

I am still on the fence, and it's getting hard to justify supporting the directions ZOS is taking. Plus it feels like a bit of a cash grab. Why am paying a monthly subscription only to have to fork out more cash for this DLC. There has been a lot of impassioned arguments and criticism on these forums. Deltia is quitting. but
I get the impression that the PTS notes were just the straw that broke the camel's back. I think I will wait and see how things shake out before deciding whether or not to buy it.

Rohaus

Here's to hoping that ZOS re-evaluates their extreme 'balance' changes...

DaveMoeDee

1. Yes, it is a cash grab.
2. You sub for crafting bags. If that isn't why you sub, you shouldn't be subbing.
3. PTS notes are fine. I doubt the changes now will have as much impact as adding CP had. For some reason people freak out over "nerfs" when nerfs and buffs are the same thing so long as you keep overall power equal. Crappy parts of update still have plenty of time to be rebalanced.
4. I don't like homogenization of classes. Unfortunately, there are quite a few people who want their favorite class to be the best at things other classes were designed for.

All the drama really doesn't matter to me. I will play the story at some point because it is more TES content..

Mephisto939

Rohaus wrote: »

Here's to hoping that ZOS re-evaluates their extreme 'balance' changes...

Worst thing is that we will be affected even if we don't buy it.

Zoner

It seems like a great expansion but it was coupled with terrible balance decisions. Kind of like buying a sundae and having someone take a *** on it as they hand it to you

Trashkan

I sub for a crafting bag. There is enough inventory management as it is and i don't have time for all that deal I just want to play.

WhitC1935

I am confused and have a dumb question having not followed too much of the details for Morrowind. Is it a DLC addition on ESO or a stand alone game? From what little I have read it seems to be stand alone. If it is stand alone, then I definitely will not participate. Not sure what I will do if it is actually a DLC addition to the main game.

Sakiri

I think it'll be fine.

People have too high of expectations.

Mephisto939

WhitC1935 wrote: »

I am confused and have a dumb question having not followed too much of the details for Morrowind. Is it a DLC addition on ESO or a stand alone game? From what little I have read it seems to be stand alone. If it is stand alone, then I definitely will not participate. Not sure what I will do if it is actually a DLC addition to the main game.

I think they are deliberately confusing people by calling it an "expansion" but it's a DLC.

MrSaxon

It'll be a major success. I can't wait for it, and several of my friends are also going to be buying it. We're all very excited to see the game grow and to be back in Morrowind!

Malic

No It wont be. When I was in beta and ESO was first launching, Angry Joe did a pretty scathing review (it was accurate at the time) and a lot of people thought the game would flop.

I am no fan of ZOS but they certainly know how to make good PVE for casual gamers so I think they will be fine here.

Pallio

It is an expansion, unless you play on the internet, then it is a DLC.

ScooberSteve

It wont be because all the sheeple will calm down and fall into line. Eso is the bad addition people cant shake even though it becomes less and less fun and more and more grinding for months on end for that 1 weapon that you wont need next patch anyway.

ScooberSteve

Malic wrote: »

No It wont be. When I was in beta and ESO was first launching, Angry Joe did a pretty scathing review (it was accurate at the time) and a lot of people thought the game would flop.

I am no fan of ZOS but they certainly know how to make good PVE for casual gamers so I think they will be fine here.

I think you pretty much nailed it. They are catering to the casual new cash flow and ignoring there dedicated customers.

Balamoor

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

No It wont be. When I was in beta and ESO was first launching, Angry Joe did a pretty scathing review (it was accurate at the time) and a lot of people thought the game would flop.

I am no fan of ZOS but they certainly know how to make good PVE for casual gamers so I think they will be fine here.

I think you pretty much nailed it. They are catering to the casual new cash flow and ignoring there dedicated customers.

Considering how the so called dedicated are behaving, I really don't think they want them for customers anyway.

Doctordarkspawn

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

No It wont be. When I was in beta and ESO was first launching, Angry Joe did a pretty scathing review (it was accurate at the time) and a lot of people thought the game would flop.

I am no fan of ZOS but they certainly know how to make good PVE for casual gamers so I think they will be fine here.

I think you pretty much nailed it. They are catering to the casual new cash flow and ignoring there dedicated customers.

If I could laugh with any more physical force, I think I might kill m'self.

Are you kidding me? Constant additions with every update like Maelstrom, Maw and Shadows of the Hist, dedicated to those thrill seekers and difficulty chasers, are you freakin' kidding me?

As someone who was around in Beta, wanna know why the overland content got easier? IT WAS A GRIND! It wasn't fun to go through this content with drasticly higher numbers! Where not only did the difficulty of the content make it a massive timesink, and thus a slog, but also drove many people away after only a few days of play. They changed it because the -center couldn't hold-, and yet still your 'dedicated customers' have had content piece after content piece which has usually been tied to the standard of what endgame -is- in this game in some way, shape, or form.

Stop, just stop. The casuals are not killing your way of life, how unpopular it is, is. And even then, if that's true, why the hell is ZOS apparently attempting to make the game harder? Because casuals love that. Casuals are not the scapegoat you can use to explain the problems away, because it dosent even make -sense- what their doing if the casual gamer is the target.

Doctordarkspawn

Whether it is a flop or not depends entirely on what hits the live servers. And whether or not the individual takes to it.

If it isn't because of the dedicated fan base cancling their stuff, it'll be the myriad of new players who hit a wall of 'git gud', find no help from the playerbase, try to get a refund and leave whether they succeed or not opening day. Eitherway, s'entirely up to ZOS.

There will allways be players who inherently 'click' with the system. But these are the outliers.

Malic

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

No It wont be. When I was in beta and ESO was first launching, Angry Joe did a pretty scathing review (it was accurate at the time) and a lot of people thought the game would flop.

I am no fan of ZOS but they certainly know how to make good PVE for casual gamers so I think they will be fine here.

I think you pretty much nailed it. They are catering to the casual new cash flow and ignoring there dedicated customers.

I dont think ignoring is the right word but I respect your take. I would say ESO has evolved past those who, like me, were in beta and expected a more hard core gaming experience.

We did mostly get that through the initial release of craglorn but ZOS hence changed the model. It sucked, a lot of people complained but here we are now. Those still here expecting a renaissance to the old VR10 days are probably not going to be happy with anything going forward (and for sometime).

Morrowwind might tug at the heart strings for the old game but its ZOS, so temper your expectations accordingly.

Hamrb

No.

Malic

Balamoor wrote: »

Considering how the so called dedicated are behaving, I really don't think they want them for customers anyway.

lol well said !

Fjorynn

I think some unforeseen changes that were published in the patch notes put many people off. Bear in mind we still have a few weeks until release, I believe much will change on PTS. Hopefully ZOS listen to sensible feedback, but it's hard to find one when everyone is blasting the devs. People need to chill out and provide proper feedback, and perhaps some suggestions, instead of just yelling frig off at the devs.

No, Morrowind won't flop. Your character will flop if you fail to adapt. But then again, it's too early to speculate about anything.

neverwalk

25 months of ESO Plus and no LOYALITY rewards, SHAME on you Zos. My ESO Plus ran out today and i will not be signing up again. In Canadian Funds i'm knocking on door of $500.00 for money i have given ZOS. I'm no longer Happy with ZOS version of the ELDER SCROLLS. It's a BIG money joke to them. see how thick their steak is.

Integral1900

It's a license to print money... come on June... hurry the hell up

raglau

It is very probably a cash grab in the same way TG and DB were, i.e. ZOS just used those well-loved bits of lore to provide some sub-par DLC to keep ZOS senior management pension and cocaine funds topped up.

BUT, it will still probably do well because there just seems to be a never-ending stream of game buyers who literally will drink down any old ***.

Of course, Morrowind could be prime DLC of the quality level of Orsinium, but seeing as how all other ESO DLC has been utterly missable, it seems unlikely.

jedtb16_ESO

no, it won't be a flop.

Cathexis

4. I don't like homogenization of classes. Unfortunately, there are quite a few people who want their favorite class to be the best at things other classes were designed for.

While I think that is unfortunate, I think the bigger issue is you have a massive discrepancy in terms of class capacity to 1vX, which is where many players place emphasis on as where skill is demonstrated, and the solution ZoS then puts forward is "murder 1vX" which of course only results in further discrepancy.

As for morrowind being a flop, play it or don't, it is what it is.

Bouldercleave

Sakiri wrote: »

I think it'll be fine.

People have too high of expectations.

I think it's just the opposite.

Yes it will be just fine, but it'll be because people's expectations are so LOW that when they play and find out it's not bad at all they will be overjoyed.

raglau

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

I think it'll be fine.

People have too high of expectations.

I think it's just the opposite.

Yes it will be just fine, but it'll be because people's expectations are so LOW that when they play and find out it's not bad at all they will be overjoyed.

There's quite a lot of truth in that. Because ZOS are generally so appalling at releasing anything, whether it be a simple weekly patch that itself needs a patch to patch, or the actual ESO retail release itself - which was clearly 1 year too early - anything from ZOS getting over 50% positivity will probably cause a universal sigh of relief.

Crazy as that sounds, that's literally how it is with these guys. They've taken the American philosophy of only ever promise to under-deliver, to heart in a way few other companies have.

Tryxus

The Art of the Flop

Pallio

With 1000+ changes it will be months before people figure all of them out, then everything will change again.

Alchemical

Morrowind has probably already paid for itself and turned a profit from pre-orders.

The TES community that was still adamantly anti-ESO has even been hyped about VVardenfell. ESOrrowind could pretty much just be a map of Vvardenfell ripped directly from TES3 with some new paint all over it and nothing else, and it will still be held up as GOTY because that's just how Morrowind fans are.