If these nerfs stick especially the templar ones. They are losing 4 ESO+ subs, but I highly doubt they care.

EWO
Elder Wardens Online

Champion point system is AWFUL. Worst progression of any mmo I've ever played.

Deltia is soooooo right. Who else is super tired or running the same dungeon for hours and hours and hours... for TRAINING & PROSPEROUS ARMOR? AND CHARGED WEAPONS? Or what about melee weapons for magicka sets? Staves for stamina sets? Like wtf?

Yet you know if the crown store goes down they are alllll over that to get it up and running again for people to throw money at their tv.... now the warden class being released completely out shining all other classes, huge nerfs to resources, no nerds to proc sets (which are probably the absolute worst addition to the game)..... I just don't get it. One step forward, ten steps backwards...

Can't even tell you how many times my game has locked up when I get attacked in cyrodiil due to cap servers. Yet instead of bettering gameplay and balance, more crap for the crown store gets added. Champion points need removed. Period. The progression with them is awful.... the set drop system needs changed. Why not reward tokens for killing bosses and use those to purchase gear? Why force players to run the exact same dungeon 40 times, 50 times, 100 times and still not get the gear they want?




It's all just too much. Dont. Buy. Morrowind.

Bet there are more flamers threatening to quit than actually quitting.

I guess i missed the heavenly glow about him

Life goes on, as does ESO !

Gothlander wrote: »

Destiny 2 a mmorpg?

lol. that was only thing i remember from the whole video.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

He's absolutely wrong, about the devs btw. They dont lisen even if you are positive. If they want it to stay in the game, it stays. The only way to make them change their minds now is hurting their bottom line.

I am not concerned about them not listening to the players enough. I am more concerned about them listening to the players too much. I want them to have a vision, and execute on that vision. I would also like that vision to be the same vision each time they execute on it. If player suggestions align with that vision, I want them to take those suggestions. If the player is suggesting something that they think improves the game, but conflicts with the vision, I want ZOS to ignore it.

My interpretation of the most recent class changes is that they have decided that they lost their way and are returning to their vision. Through incremental changes, they have drifted. This is a course correction back to their vision.

Right now, I do not honestly believe that they are trying to make Warden an OP, must have, class in order to sell copies of Morrowind. I expect that the role of Warden, in terms of sales, rests in the special effects unique to the class, not how the skills perform relative to the other classes. For balance, I would be working really hard to make sure that the Warden was able to compete with the other classes so that people who buy Morrowind do not feel like they got ripped off, while making sure that the new class is not OP. It is a very narrow path, one that is complicated by the whole "pillar" thing that is impacting the other classes on top of the class balancing that is going on.

Okay.

If the idea didn't change every two or three months I'd be alot more perceptive, as it stands, their just rocking the boat for no reason. Lets design the game around DPS timers then nerf your ability to DPS.

What? There are a handful of dps timer mechanics in the PVE side of the game. RoM. Maybe the Swords in a Trial? That's it. VMA can be done with tank in Bahraha's/ Leeching while swinging heavy attacks and popping a shield, so it's not even a necessity there.

There's also a much more informative post on Reddit, too, where someone has shown that the spread and weighted distribution of the new CP will actually INCREASE base dps, even while factoring in the lower sustain.

DPS is going to go up, for those folks who can invest all their CP. It takes a few minutes to either read the patch notes, or to investigate baseless presumptions before assuming they're true, and people really need to start doing the latter because so many of you are being ridiculous. It's really embarassing for grown adults (I'm assuming) to be having these kind of tantrums. I've been guilty of this kind of behavior before, and that means that it's time for me to step away from whatever (suposedly fun) activity has subverted my pleasantness and civilty and turned me into a frothing idiot.

P.S. MMORPGs change the meta constantly. WoW reinvents itself with each expansion, and on a much grander scale than what ZoS is doing. I'm wondering how many MMORPGs many of you have actually played before.

Wrong. Wrong on almost every account.

There are multiple DPS timers. Skoria. Both SOTH dungeons, Lord Warden, I could go on and on, even Mobs so innane as the flesh atro's on ICP. Many fights are designed to where the longer you spend, the harder it gets, and that's the crux of the issue. The game was designed, newer content especially, around the sustain we had. And until I see patch notes lowering mob health or resistances, the center cannot hold at it's current form.

DPS isn't going to go up, and the content hasn't been edited for the current DPS level. So..

Also, I have played a few. And I've actually played WoW. Wanna know the difference between this game and WoW? Even when it edits how a class plays, how many abilities, you get the idea...you still learn by -playing the game-. You still learn almost everything piecemeal because of how WoW is setup.

Comparing this game to WoW only highlights how this games disconnect is terribad. You can crush dissent all you like, you can villify people with an opposing opinion, calling them children, crazy, what have you, but it dosent change that this game is eating itself alive.

Wrong? Hardly. Lord Warden does not have an enrage timer, I'm questioning if you know what that is. The fight can go on indefinitely. As well, the suggestion that Skoria (without the tome, which is an option) has a timer worth mentioning is erroneous. If it takes your group all five platforms and then some to burn the boss, no patch or reversal of nerfs will help you--there's a composition issue. Furthermore, Flesh Atros in ICP can and should be run past outside of the 2nd boss; and, if you have more than one or two that spawn during that fight, you've FAILED MECHANICS NOT A DPS CHECK. (Alternatively with great dps and a solid tank you can actually ignore mechanics and stack and burn whatever spawns).

Now that we've cleared that up, please cite these multiple dps timers which have, as you've said, been cemented into the foundation of the game.

Again, dps will be universally HIGHER with CP allocation in Morrowind, not lower--even though sustain will be down. Hop on PTS and see for yourself. I did. And the numbers are great.

Whether it's a DPS timer, or a fight designed where the more time you spend, the harder it is, my point stands. They are almost the exact same thing for the sake of DPS's effect on the game.

And DPS will go down, -overall-. Sustain will go down. therefor, your ability to continuously do damage will too.

Your point is still wrong. All of the examples you cited, I proved to be factually incorrect and as not being "dps checks" by definition of what an MMORPG "dps check" is, wherein an unavoidable mechanic is triggered (usually fatal) if a dps threshold is not passed within a cetain period of time. Something getting "harder" because members of your party have poor skills, reaction times, resource management, whatever, is not a dps check--it's an unfortunate group composition. These people will still be bad next patch. Nothing will change that. There are very few fights in the game with one-shot timed mechanics, or waves of infinitely spawning adds that will certainly wipe the party. Claiming that the game is based around such mechanics, as you did, is just plain wrong. The end. Moving on, you say you've been around the block in MMORPGs, and if you had, you'd be familiar with any number of WoW's bosses, or even FFXIV's, which literally wipe the raid when said check isn't passed.

And again, average damage will go UP with the new CP distribution. They raised the floor. You can invest half way in most CP to get 75% of the gains, which means you can invest in TWICE AS MANY CP nodes. Someone's already done the calculations on Reddit. Go there, and it's either the top post or the stickied one. There's even a node that increases DIRECT DAMAGE, which you can then pair with all the other damage raising passives. Did you read the patch notes? Did anyone? Or are they just dipping their hands into the cess and spreading around the diarreah that everyone's caught here.

The only thing people have to do is throw a *** reduction glyph or two on and their damage will still be higher than it was in Homestead. That's why I find this whole circus of outrage hilarious, and sad.

grim_tactics wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

He's absolutely wrong, about the devs btw. They dont lisen even if you are positive. If they want it to stay in the game, it stays. The only way to make them change their minds now is hurting their bottom line.

I am not concerned about them not listening to the players enough. I am more concerned about them listening to the players too much. I want them to have a vision, and execute on that vision. I would also like that vision to be the same vision each time they execute on it. If player suggestions align with that vision, I want them to take those suggestions. If the player is suggesting something that they think improves the game, but conflicts with the vision, I want ZOS to ignore it.

My interpretation of the most recent class changes is that they have decided that they lost their way and are returning to their vision. Through incremental changes, they have drifted. This is a course correction back to their vision.

Right now, I do not honestly believe that they are trying to make Warden an OP, must have, class in order to sell copies of Morrowind. I expect that the role of Warden, in terms of sales, rests in the special effects unique to the class, not how the skills perform relative to the other classes. For balance, I would be working really hard to make sure that the Warden was able to compete with the other classes so that people who buy Morrowind do not feel like they got ripped off, while making sure that the new class is not OP. It is a very narrow path, one that is complicated by the whole "pillar" thing that is impacting the other classes on top of the class balancing that is going on.

Okay.

If the idea didn't change every two or three months I'd be alot more perceptive, as it stands, their just rocking the boat for no reason. Lets design the game around DPS timers then nerf your ability to DPS.

What? There are a handful of dps timer mechanics in the PVE side of the game. RoM. Maybe the Swords in a Trial? That's it. VMA can be done with tank in Bahraha's/ Leeching while swinging heavy attacks and popping a shield, so it's not even a necessity there.

There's also a much more informative post on Reddit, too, where someone has shown that the spread and weighted distribution of the new CP will actually INCREASE base dps, even while factoring in the lower sustain.

DPS is going to go up, for those folks who can invest all their CP. It takes a few minutes to either read the patch notes, or to investigate baseless presumptions before assuming they're true, and people really need to start doing the latter because so many of you are being ridiculous. It's really embarassing for grown adults (I'm assuming) to be having these kind of tantrums. I've been guilty of this kind of behavior before, and that means that it's time for me to step away from whatever (suposedly fun) activity has subverted my pleasantness and civilty and turned me into a frothing idiot.

P.S. MMORPGs change the meta constantly. WoW reinvents itself with each expansion, and on a much grander scale than what ZoS is doing. I'm wondering how many MMORPGs many of you have actually played before.

Wrong. Wrong on almost every account.

There are multiple DPS timers. Skoria. Both SOTH dungeons, Lord Warden, I could go on and on, even Mobs so innane as the flesh atro's on ICP. Many fights are designed to where the longer you spend, the harder it gets, and that's the crux of the issue. The game was designed, newer content especially, around the sustain we had. And until I see patch notes lowering mob health or resistances, the center cannot hold at it's current form.

DPS isn't going to go up, and the content hasn't been edited for the current DPS level. So..

Also, I have played a few. And I've actually played WoW. Wanna know the difference between this game and WoW? Even when it edits how a class plays, how many abilities, you get the idea...you still learn by -playing the game-. You still learn almost everything piecemeal because of how WoW is setup.

Comparing this game to WoW only highlights how this games disconnect is terribad. You can crush dissent all you like, you can villify people with an opposing opinion, calling them children, crazy, what have you, but it dosent change that this game is eating itself alive.

Wrong? Hardly. Lord Warden does not have an enrage timer, I'm questioning if you know what that is. The fight can go on indefinitely. As well, the suggestion that Skoria (without the tome, which is an option) has a timer worth mentioning is erroneous. If it takes your group all five platforms and then some to burn the boss, no patch or reversal of nerfs will help you--there's a composition issue. Furthermore, Flesh Atros in ICP can and should be run past outside of the 2nd boss; and, if you have more than one or two that spawn during that fight, you've FAILED MECHANICS NOT A DPS CHECK. (Alternatively with great dps and a solid tank you can actually ignore mechanics and stack and burn whatever spawns).

Now that we've cleared that up, please cite these multiple dps timers which have, as you've said, been cemented into the foundation of the game.

Again, dps will be universally HIGHER with CP allocation in Morrowind, not lower--even though sustain will be down. Hop on PTS and see for yourself. I did. And the numbers are great.

Whether it's a DPS timer, or a fight designed where the more time you spend, the harder it is, my point stands. They are almost the exact same thing for the sake of DPS's effect on the game.

And DPS will go down, -overall-. Sustain will go down. therefor, your ability to continuously do damage will too.

Your point is still wrong. All of the examples you cited, I proved to be factually incorrect and as not being "dps checks" by definition of what an MMORPG "dps check" is, wherein an unavoidable mechanic is triggered (usually fatal) if a dps threshold is not passed within a cetain period of time. Something getting "harder" because members of your party have poor skills, reaction times, resource management, whatever, is not a dps check--it's an unfortunate group composition. These people will still be bad next patch. Nothing will change that. There are very few fights in the game with one-shot timed mechanics, or waves of infinitely spawning adds that will certainly wipe the party. Claiming that the game is based around such mechanics, as you did, is just plain wrong. The end. Moving on, you say you've been around the block in MMORPGs, and if you had, you'd be familiar with any number of WoW's bosses, or even FFXIV's, which literally wipe the raid when said check isn't passed.

And again, average damage will go UP with the new CP distribution. They raised the floor. You can invest half way in most CP to get 75% of the gains, which means you can invest in TWICE AS MANY CP nodes. Someone's already done the calculations on Reddit. Go there, and it's either the top post or the stickied one. There's even a node that increases DIRECT DAMAGE, which you can then pair with all the other damage raising passives. Did you read the patch notes? Did anyone? Or are they just dipping their hands into the cess and spreading around the diarreah that everyone's caught here.

The only thing people have to do is throw a *** reduction glyph or two on and their damage will still be higher than it was in Homestead. That's why I find this whole circus of outrage hilarious, and sad.

Common sense doesn't ever win on the internet.

Worth a try. It's my philanthropy for the year! I'm all good now

Crikey, seems to me Deltia ain't the only one going off on one.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Comparing streamers to celebrities is a horrible comparison. Celebrities in Hollywood want your money and share no knowledge, do nothing to help others.

Streamers are encyclopedias of knowledge, learning, and many thousands watch them to learn from

They both want the exact same thing - Your attention.

You cannot tell me that the dramatic burial of Deltia's Templar was for any other reason than attention.

Oh silly @Bouldercleave . It wasn't for attention. Drama = views, and views = money.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

He's absolutely wrong, about the devs btw. They dont lisen even if you are positive. If they want it to stay in the game, it stays. The only way to make them change their minds now is hurting their bottom line.

I am not concerned about them not listening to the players enough. I am more concerned about them listening to the players too much. I want them to have a vision, and execute on that vision. I would also like that vision to be the same vision each time they execute on it. If player suggestions align with that vision, I want them to take those suggestions. If the player is suggesting something that they think improves the game, but conflicts with the vision, I want ZOS to ignore it.

My interpretation of the most recent class changes is that they have decided that they lost their way and are returning to their vision. Through incremental changes, they have drifted. This is a course correction back to their vision.

Right now, I do not honestly believe that they are trying to make Warden an OP, must have, class in order to sell copies of Morrowind. I expect that the role of Warden, in terms of sales, rests in the special effects unique to the class, not how the skills perform relative to the other classes. For balance, I would be working really hard to make sure that the Warden was able to compete with the other classes so that people who buy Morrowind do not feel like they got ripped off, while making sure that the new class is not OP. It is a very narrow path, one that is complicated by the whole "pillar" thing that is impacting the other classes on top of the class balancing that is going on.

Okay.

If the idea didn't change every two or three months I'd be alot more perceptive, as it stands, their just rocking the boat for no reason. Lets design the game around DPS timers then nerf your ability to DPS.

What? There are a handful of dps timer mechanics in the PVE side of the game. RoM. Maybe the Swords in a Trial? That's it. VMA can be done with tank in Bahraha's/ Leeching while swinging heavy attacks and popping a shield, so it's not even a necessity there.

There's also a much more informative post on Reddit, too, where someone has shown that the spread and weighted distribution of the new CP will actually INCREASE base dps, even while factoring in the lower sustain.

DPS is going to go up, for those folks who can invest all their CP. It takes a few minutes to either read the patch notes, or to investigate baseless presumptions before assuming they're true, and people really need to start doing the latter because so many of you are being ridiculous. It's really embarassing for grown adults (I'm assuming) to be having these kind of tantrums. I've been guilty of this kind of behavior before, and that means that it's time for me to step away from whatever (suposedly fun) activity has subverted my pleasantness and civilty and turned me into a frothing idiot.

P.S. MMORPGs change the meta constantly. WoW reinvents itself with each expansion, and on a much grander scale than what ZoS is doing. I'm wondering how many MMORPGs many of you have actually played before.

Wrong. Wrong on almost every account.

There are multiple DPS timers. Skoria. Both SOTH dungeons, Lord Warden, I could go on and on, even Mobs so innane as the flesh atro's on ICP. Many fights are designed to where the longer you spend, the harder it gets, and that's the crux of the issue. The game was designed, newer content especially, around the sustain we had. And until I see patch notes lowering mob health or resistances, the center cannot hold at it's current form.

DPS isn't going to go up, and the content hasn't been edited for the current DPS level. So..

Also, I have played a few. And I've actually played WoW. Wanna know the difference between this game and WoW? Even when it edits how a class plays, how many abilities, you get the idea...you still learn by -playing the game-. You still learn almost everything piecemeal because of how WoW is setup.

Comparing this game to WoW only highlights how this games disconnect is terribad. You can crush dissent all you like, you can villify people with an opposing opinion, calling them children, crazy, what have you, but it dosent change that this game is eating itself alive.

Wrong? Hardly. Lord Warden does not have an enrage timer, I'm questioning if you know what that is. The fight can go on indefinitely. As well, the suggestion that Skoria (without the tome, which is an option) has a timer worth mentioning is erroneous. If it takes your group all five platforms and then some to burn the boss, no patch or reversal of nerfs will help you--there's a composition issue. Furthermore, Flesh Atros in ICP can and should be run past outside of the 2nd boss; and, if you have more than one or two that spawn during that fight, you've FAILED MECHANICS NOT A DPS CHECK. (Alternatively with great dps and a solid tank you can actually ignore mechanics and stack and burn whatever spawns).

Now that we've cleared that up, please cite these multiple dps timers which have, as you've said, been cemented into the foundation of the game.

Again, dps will be universally HIGHER with CP allocation in Morrowind, not lower--even though sustain will be down. Hop on PTS and see for yourself. I did. And the numbers are great.

Whether it's a DPS timer, or a fight designed where the more time you spend, the harder it is, my point stands. They are almost the exact same thing for the sake of DPS's effect on the game.

And DPS will go down, -overall-. Sustain will go down. therefor, your ability to continuously do damage will too.

Your point is still wrong. All of the examples you cited, I proved to be factually incorrect and as not being "dps checks" by definition of what an MMORPG "dps check" is, wherein an unavoidable mechanic is triggered (usually fatal) if a dps threshold is not passed within a cetain period of time. Something getting "harder" because members of your party have poor skills, reaction times, resource management, whatever, is not a dps check--it's an unfortunate group composition. These people will still be bad next patch. Nothing will change that. There are very few fights in the game with one-shot timed mechanics, or waves of infinitely spawning adds that will certainly wipe the party. Claiming that the game is based around such mechanics, as you did, is just plain wrong. The end. Moving on, you say you've been around the block in MMORPGs, and if you had, you'd be familiar with any number of WoW's bosses, or even FFXIV's, which literally wipe the raid when said check isn't passed.

And again, average damage will go UP with the new CP distribution. They raised the floor. You can invest half way in most CP to get 75% of the gains, which means you can invest in TWICE AS MANY CP nodes. Someone's already done the calculations on Reddit. Go there, and it's either the top post or the stickied one. There's even a node that increases DIRECT DAMAGE, which you can then pair with all the other damage raising passives. Did you read the patch notes? Did anyone? Or are they just dipping their hands into the cess and spreading around the diarreah that everyone's caught here.

The only thing people have to do is throw a *** reduction glyph or two on and their damage will still be higher than it was in Homestead. That's why I find this whole circus of outrage hilarious, and sad.

So essentially what your telling me, is that people will just run sustain sets until their blue in the face and the damage will be the same.

...Soooo, if that's true, my question changes. The question is now, WHAT WAS THE POINT!?

To raise the floor and make people make smarter gear choices. I've explained that numerous times now.

Or the point of why everyone's losing their ***? Because it's the internet?

grim_tactics wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Comparing streamers to celebrities is a horrible comparison. Celebrities in Hollywood want your money and share no knowledge, do nothing to help others.

Streamers are encyclopedias of knowledge, learning, and many thousands watch them to learn from

Encyclopedias of knowledge? No - so much no.

They're telling you things about a game you yourself can figure out and do.

Lol. People can figure out anything in life on their own. Just like encyclopedias, streamers provide a source of information for people who desire to learn more quickly regarding that which interests them. People seek them out because they wish to know about something more extensively beforehand.

Your crusade against streamers isn't going to work.

Deltia wont simply be 'replaced'. He was a hard worker on his content and a great member of the community. Ill continue to follow and support him - because he puts out quality content into whatever he does. I will miss his presence in the community as well.

"ESO is like washing stinky laundry" - Deltia

Balamoor wrote: »

Kharnamatic wrote: »

"ESO is like washing stinky laundry" - Deltia

I made an analogy a while back about someone sitting in a Restaurant shoving food in his mouth while screaming it sucks and the Chief is a crook. That really applies here.

"The food here is terrible - and such small portions too!"