There is a vote to kick option for a reason...

I don't think there much ZOS can fix regarding to this particular issue. This is the bit where the community need to make a stand quick out queue jumpers and leeches. In my experience people are reluctant to kick high cp members even if they are totally useless or jerks. As long as people are more fixated to kick lowbies this won't be solved.

I' m just trying to understand the part of them being CP 600 and playing that way. How can they play like that being high level? I mean by LVL 50 at most most of the game's basic fighting knowledge just borrows into your brain and sticks there.

WS1 vet is a baby dungeon. I've done it so many times in so many forms trying to get a useless ring no one wants and you don't need anything too special for it. DPS who wanna queue tank should really invest in the Undaunted taunt though. Not having it is just lazy/selfish. Healing is easy, just have a heal. My pure DPS magicka Sorc does fine healing vets with just the Twilight and the fights even go faster with 3 DPS.

Don't use terrible equipment and eat food though. I had 2 innocent DPS and healer before have no food throughout the Dungeon and I warned them that they were hungry wif tummies growling but I thought it'd be more interesting for them to learn that on their own. So of course the last boss 1shot them effortlessly and they were at a loss to what to do. I directed them to the delicious bread on the table and a whole new world opened up to them: The world of full tummiez. They were amazed at how durable they now were.

Everyone wants to DPS but majority of them are "terrible at it/confused" so they should flesh out their character in general before doing weird tank/healer builds.
DPS queue is literally never because the Holy Trinity has been a failure since the 90s (but everyone's in denial about it) so you gotta improvise if you ever wanna clear pledges. I hope it doesn't become too difficult after all the nerfs to do that kinda stuff or DPS are even more screwed with queue.

I'm afraid to run dungeons because I don't know them(obviously because I've never done them, videos only do so much) and I know I'll be that terrible no CP DPS you all kvetch about.

Sakiri wrote: »

I'm afraid to run dungeons because I don't know them(obviously because I've never done them, videos only do so much) and I know I'll be that terrible no CP DPS you all kvetch about.

Not everyone's the same as me but if you're willing to learn and communicate, that's about all I expect from PUGs. If it's one of the base game dungeons we'll figure a way to get through it. Don't let the horror stories discourage you from trying things you want to try, we were all new at one point.

Sakiri wrote: »

I'm afraid to run dungeons because I don't know them(obviously because I've never done them, videos only do so much) and I know I'll be that terrible no CP DPS you all kvetch about.

Most Dungeons are pretty straight forward: have a minimum of 18k health with food, don't stand in anything red.

Fischblut wrote: »

I' m just trying to understand the part of them being CP 600 and playing that way. How can they play like that being high level?

Although number of CPs never meant anything, I also noticed increased amount of weak high cp players last few month. Many people "level" by joining dolmen zergs, grinding zombies at famous overland locations and by being carried at Skyreach catacombs Alone, they struggle cause those ways of leveling apparently haven't taught them anything.

It's hilarious and sad when cp600 player enters public dungeon, and when pack of mobs surrounds him, he uses... Blood Altar and Uppercut Probably when he was "gaining experience" in group at dolmen, his actions seemed effective
Or other almost capped cp player in a delve - sorc with Clannfear and Uppercut. Almost 600 cps, only 2 abilities - and he didn't even use Clannfear for healing. When I saw him, he tried to kill 3 mobs, but died. He resurrected and run to try his luck with boss...

Is this Cyrodiil? No, it's Alik'r Desert, between dolmen and wayshrine It's far from all people who rode past me, it's just as many as I could capture in one screenshot after I recovered from shock:



On the way to 600 cp, on the way to "becoming powerful". ...On the way to Morrowind and all future nerfs and low ceilings too

Noobs in action.
Made worse in that the dolmen zergs give crap xp, think questing and killing everything in your path is more efficient and more fun.This have weird results.

Did the undaunted delves as usual and run into stuff, first was sorcerer with two pets i bypassed him thinking he was looting all containers. Arrived 5 seconds to late for boss. Killed mobs while waiting, boss spawned and I saw the twilight.
This is the dungeon you have to eat a flower before killing boss for quest so I said in chat.
Found that he was cp600 and did not react to /say so killed boss.

Next character another delve, see an fellow Khajiit following me doing bow light attack, slowed down on the three mobs so he would get some hit he was using low level gear after all.
After enemies was dead I was still taking damage, found it was an mob who had followed me

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

I' m just trying to understand the part of them being CP 600 and playing that way. How can they play like that being high level? I mean by LVL 50 at most most of the game's basic fighting knowledge just borrows into your brain and sticks there.

They probably either lay dead in Skyreach while a person they paid some gold coins to killed everything in sight for them or they ran in a counterclockwise circle doing the dolmens somewhere. Before they were level 50 they were carried through normal dungeons and now do not know any better.

This is why people should quit carrying lower level players through dungeons (not counting guild mates) and instead take your time and make them learn their skills.

Hmm, should have read the thread first I am just repeating what has already been said. But I typed it so I'm posting it.