Deltia is going off on one!

Doctordarkspawn · April 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The thread conversation on the PTS are not going in ZOS's favor either.

I just spent a couple of hours reading through threads and commentary, and it's all a massively more negative reaction than positive, and the disparity is by quite a large margin.

I can almost see Wrobel sitting in his chair, fuming that the players don't think these changes are as perfect as he does. I say that I can almost see it, because I know he really doesn't care. The PTS is a placebo, and 99% of what appears on the PTS goes onto the Live servers completely unchanged. The PTS is there so that ZOS can introduce this stuff, and make people think that their voice has weight that ZOS never intends to give to those voices.

This game is about to take a massive, steaming *** on all of it's players; and this whole update, designed with punishing players for... playing the game and doing well, is going to make even just roaming around a futile struggle to get anything done.

And that's just a quick summary of the discussions over on the PTS forums. This update is not being received well by the people playing even just the base game patch, and they're largely mirroring the negative commentary being made in these General Forums.

If ZOS doesn't majorly change or outright reverse 99% of the changes coming down the pipe for this game, the damage to this game is going to be severe.

Pretty much.

But then again, they wont care until their stock price drops enough.

central_scrutinizer · April 2017

I'm going to wait to see what morrowind introduces before I make any concrete decisions, I could just be seeing an incomplete picture. For all I know every change that I dislike will be offset by new features/gear ect.

But there have been lots of changes and additions in the past year or so that I don't necessarily like, or don't like how they're implemented (like timers, I understand their purpose, but I am not a fan) along with some periodic technical issues that do not come from my end, and I'm starting to feel like a year or two break might be in order. I was considering switching my sub to monthly or cancelling entirely before I even heard of any of these new changes. And there are other games that I have been thinking of trying/getting back into ect.

Sometimes I quit games just because I'm done, or I find something else that grips my attention, like when I switched over to ESO from the mmorpg I played before it (I always only play one mmorpg at a time).

For all the folks that like to puff yourselves up by disparaging others, when you accuse other people of spazzing out or whatever....well this isn't the first mmo and it's probably not your first mmo. You probably came here from another game, so go ahead and apply all of your one liners against yourselves (I know I know, "oh it was different when I quit those, my insults don't apply because I'm special!").

Everybody probably has a breaking point where they get bored with a game, or become more receptive to trying others out, it happens. Some folks slip out without a word and nobody ever finds out why, some people make noise (that may or may not be helpful) to try to combat whatever it is that is making them feel like leaving, and some people try to burn the house down on their way out.
I actively dislike streamers as a concept but honestly, if you're going to grant specific individuals more weight then the rest of the players, don't be surprised when they try to throw it around.

[Deleted User] · April 2017

theWeregopher wrote: »

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Phingers wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I've honestly gone through some phases on this.

1st was kind of an "eh. it's not so bad and everyone is affected by the nerfs. A bit questionable that magicka steal, helping hands, and siphoning gets nerfed yet dark deal doesn't but I guess I play my sorc if its that big of a deal."

Then I'm starting to go through and see what actually affects me personally and and my big concern is away from resource management as I play in non-CP Azuras anyway and I start looking at actual ability. I really started to feel like my mains of stamblade and magplar; I could make my stamblade still work. Magplars sustain will be down and major mending obviously hurt but what really looks to hurt is I notice major defile on a spammable AOE! I mean; sweeps in PvP is already asking for people to just step through you but having the health return is really a form of mitigation allowing my magplar to do melee for a while. That hurts. So I figure my magplar is now my PVE soloer which it has been and my stamblade can adjust and use the new 2 second dodge roll root immunity as a god send along with the nerf to gap closer spam, and my sorc can be leveled up for my magicka player.

Then I read through in detail the warden skills and began to theory craft. Stamina is a bit lack luster in general as well as warden itself with the lesser morphs but holly hell! Why should I play anything other than magicka warden? Only thing it doesn't have is bling like sorcs streak or a cloak. It has every other buff you could possibly want. Even major heroism.

I'm with Deltia on this. If you want to nerf everything then fine, but don't come up and spit on my cheesburger than try to sell me another one.

[Snip]

NDA?

He didn't give away the Morrowind story.

Oh ok. Thought they weren't allowed to even say they were testing it.

That is correct, everyone please remember to not disclose that you have been selected to test the Morrowind beta. This is considered an NDA violation.

ZOS spotted! People keep claiming ya'll don't visit the forums

Balamoor · April 2017

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

theWeregopher wrote: »

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Phingers wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I've honestly gone through some phases on this.

1st was kind of an "eh. it's not so bad and everyone is affected by the nerfs. A bit questionable that magicka steal, helping hands, and siphoning gets nerfed yet dark deal doesn't but I guess I play my sorc if its that big of a deal."

Then I'm starting to go through and see what actually affects me personally and and my big concern is away from resource management as I play in non-CP Azuras anyway and I start looking at actual ability. I really started to feel like my mains of stamblade and magplar; I could make my stamblade still work. Magplars sustain will be down and major mending obviously hurt but what really looks to hurt is I notice major defile on a spammable AOE! I mean; sweeps in PvP is already asking for people to just step through you but having the health return is really a form of mitigation allowing my magplar to do melee for a while. That hurts. So I figure my magplar is now my PVE soloer which it has been and my stamblade can adjust and use the new 2 second dodge roll root immunity as a god send along with the nerf to gap closer spam, and my sorc can be leveled up for my magicka player.

Then I read through in detail the warden skills and began to theory craft. Stamina is a bit lack luster in general as well as warden itself with the lesser morphs but holly hell! Why should I play anything other than magicka warden? Only thing it doesn't have is bling like sorcs streak or a cloak. It has every other buff you could possibly want. Even major heroism.

I'm with Deltia on this. If you want to nerf everything then fine, but don't come up and spit on my cheesburger than try to sell me another one.

[Snip]

NDA?

He didn't give away the Morrowind story.

Oh ok. Thought they weren't allowed to even say they were testing it.

That is correct, everyone please remember to not disclose that you have been selected to test the Morrowind beta. This is considered an NDA violation.

ZOS spotted! People keep claiming ya'll don't visit the forums

I just now noticed how much Russel Crowe looks like Capt Crunch.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2017

ljb2k5_ESO wrote: »

None of it is unjustified. [snip] ZOS is just one more company alienating and shitting on their ardent fanbase in the hopes of capturing the unicorn of "all those people not playing ESO!" Such a toxic mentality.

[edited for inappropriate comment]

Whats sad is that its not like they havent been drawing in people that had gave it a pass or had never heard of it before. Since Console release Ive heard nothing but good things about the game from people that swore it off during beta. And Ive seen endless "Im new" threads on Reddit and elsewhere. Its not like they arent gaining new players regularly.

Turelus · April 2017

[snip]

Also here are you options.

Try things out and form you own opinions.
Do what someone else tells you and hope their right.
Take everyone's view on board and weight it up on how you feel about it.

[Edited to remove reference to removed comment]

llSRRll · April 2017

These patch notes suck, it will ruin the game if they keep them. No point in being max cp so all the time that I've put into this game will be for not.

DragonBound · April 2017

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

theWeregopher wrote: »

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Phingers wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I've honestly gone through some phases on this.

1st was kind of an "eh. it's not so bad and everyone is affected by the nerfs. A bit questionable that magicka steal, helping hands, and siphoning gets nerfed yet dark deal doesn't but I guess I play my sorc if its that big of a deal."

Then I'm starting to go through and see what actually affects me personally and and my big concern is away from resource management as I play in non-CP Azuras anyway and I start looking at actual ability. I really started to feel like my mains of stamblade and magplar; I could make my stamblade still work. Magplars sustain will be down and major mending obviously hurt but what really looks to hurt is I notice major defile on a spammable AOE! I mean; sweeps in PvP is already asking for people to just step through you but having the health return is really a form of mitigation allowing my magplar to do melee for a while. That hurts. So I figure my magplar is now my PVE soloer which it has been and my stamblade can adjust and use the new 2 second dodge roll root immunity as a god send along with the nerf to gap closer spam, and my sorc can be leveled up for my magicka player.

Then I read through in detail the warden skills and began to theory craft. Stamina is a bit lack luster in general as well as warden itself with the lesser morphs but holly hell! Why should I play anything other than magicka warden? Only thing it doesn't have is bling like sorcs streak or a cloak. It has every other buff you could possibly want. Even major heroism.

I'm with Deltia on this. If you want to nerf everything then fine, but don't come up and spit on my cheesburger than try to sell me another one.

[Snip]

NDA?

He didn't give away the Morrowind story.

Oh ok. Thought they weren't allowed to even say they were testing it.

That is correct, everyone please remember to not disclose that you have been selected to test the Morrowind beta. This is considered an NDA violation.

ZOS spotted! People keep claiming ya'll don't visit the forums

Ok this cracked me up.

Kay1 · April 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

Some people don't understand it.

This guy and others streamers went to their HQ to talk about all the changes coming with Morrowind, to help them balance they asked for feedback and those people went there, wasted their time trying to balance for nothing they didn't listen a single advice from them they just decided to destroy every class, make the warden OP, destroy sustain because for the "elite" everything is too easy so *** the 99% of the community and they even mocked us.

Yes, those spoilers in the patch notes are in my opinion pure mockery "it's a buff if you have under 15k stamina as a stamina character" I would say so many things but I can't.

Sustain as it is now is so ridiculous. It has nothing to do with catering to the other 99%.

Do people really need that much hand holding in this game that you need builds that just take shot after shot? Where is the fun in spamming ability after ability and being able to face tank everything and anyone that you come up against?

I suck at dueling and PvP and even I can can say that sustain is broken and helps me survive more often than I should.

I'm not saying I agree with all of the patch notes - but sustain needs this nerf. If they aren't going to completely rebalance CP then I am fine with at least throwing sustain out.

You must be a Sorc or a Heavy Armor user then, sustain is very hard with Stamplar, Stamdk, Stamnb and Magicka DK if you don't use Heavy with those your sustain will be crap.

The solution is not nerfing Light and Medium, it's maybe easy for you to sustain but I invite you to try to have an infinite sustain will playing in small-scale or solo you will see that sustain is *** besides if you're a zerg player.

Phinix1 · April 2017

mcb123 wrote: »

I think hes saying we should all go outside and get some sunshine rather than stay in with the curtains drawn and get annoyed about a game.

I haven't watched the video but that is what I choose to take away from it.

I am not going to lie I was pretty upset about the changes as well. It seems they are trying to say they don't NEED to balance separately for PVE and PVP because they added CC immunity to Mudcrabs... I mean I'm sure someone at ZOS actually believes that but in reality PVP is a TOTALLY different play style and strategic game than PVE.

The damage is different, mechanics like Befoul are different, the meta is different, the behavior, the goal, the resource use...

I am willing to accept that they just don't understand, but that is why it is important for us to get over being p'd off and try and talk some sense into them, because if they honestly believe that PVE and PVP work on the same set of rules there are only going to be more problems in the future, and CC-immune Mudcrabs ain't gonna solve it.

I agree though, best to take a deep breath, RELAX, and try and put things in perspective. As I tried to preface all my subsequent statements in my first post to these notes, Morrowind will still be AWESOME to explore, quest in, and play through, come what may.

Yes these changes look terrible and short-sighted. Maybe they will change again. We are human after all, not badly-written AI. We have the CAPACITY to change our minds based on rational thought, and being swayed by a convincing argument.

The best argument is backed up by FACTS. But there is also the HUMAN COMPONENT, the experience of players, the FEELING they have and what they take away from that experience, whether it was positive or negative, and you can't train a calculator to simulate that.

All you can tell an AI is who's opinion to try and replicate. They have no opinion of their own. No intuition. No FEELING. They are calculators.

So, take your time people, and try and change their minds.

rotaugen454 · April 2017

I don't think the game is "ruined" by these changes. Harder, yes. I remember everyone telling me my Mag Sorc would be unplayable after the 6 sec shield nerf. I changed my rotation and did fine. My Stam DK tank didn't die with the stam nerf before and won't die now. I am definitely taking a wait and see attitude. ESO's death has been predicted over and over for the past three years, and yet here we are.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · April 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

Some people don't understand it.

This guy and others streamers went to their HQ to talk about all the changes coming with Morrowind, to help them balance they asked for feedback and those people went there, wasted their time trying to balance for nothing they didn't listen a single advice from them they just decided to destroy every class, make the warden OP, destroy sustain because for the "elite" everything is too easy so *** the 99% of the community and they even mocked us.

Yes, those spoilers in the patch notes are in my opinion pure mockery "it's a buff if you have under 15k stamina as a stamina character" I would say so many things but I can't.

Sustain as it is now is so ridiculous. It has nothing to do with catering to the other 99%.

Do people really need that much hand holding in this game that you need builds that just take shot after shot? Where is the fun in spamming ability after ability and being able to face tank everything and anyone that you come up against?

I suck at dueling and PvP and even I can can say that sustain is broken and helps me survive more often than I should.

I'm not saying I agree with all of the patch notes - but sustain needs this nerf. If they aren't going to completely rebalance CP then I am fine with at least throwing sustain out.

You must be a Sorc or a Heavy Armor user then, sustain is very hard with Stamplar, Stamdk, Stamnb and Magicka DK if you don't use Heavy with those your sustain will be crap.

The solution is not nerfing Light and Medium, it's maybe easy for you to sustain but I invite you to try to have an infinite sustain will playing in small-scale or solo you will see that sustain is *** besides if you're a zerg player.

I always enjoy a good "well I can't do it so you must not be able to do it unless XYZ" baselessly created defense.

If the Wookie don't fit ...

Floki_Vilgerdarson · April 2017

Deltia's video digging a grave was just drama, he is not leaving ESO.

He just got a money cow with a new class and tons of gear combos and Morrowind. That is his job security for at least 2 years with his baby, Maximus and family. He is acting sad, don't be fooled.

Deltia is a great guy, I watch all his content, but he is not a good actor. He was acting like pro wrestlers do before a match, a bunch of corny hype. I was waiting for him to break a 2x4 over his head or throw a chair.

Think about it Morrowind means tons of new players needing Deltia builds for their Warden, then after the warden nerf, he can go back to making the other classes relevant again.

Deltia is loving this!

DragonBound · April 2017

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

It was just drama he is not leaving ESO. He just got a money cow with a New class and tons of gear combos. He is acting sad, don't be fooled.

Then when they nerf warden after millions of dollars for ZOS and thousands of views for deltia's new warden builds, battlegrounds etc.

Deltia is loving this!

Facepalm oh yes he is going to pretend to quit playing the game he continues making money off of makes perfect sense your one in a million kid thumbs up!

vamp_emily · April 2017

Faulgor wrote: »

If you're into card games, you could also check out Elder Scrolls Legends!

hmmm.. do you have to buy crown crates to get "special" cards?

I've only played ESO, but the things I have seen in the last 2 years makes me upset. A long time ago when they nerfed my vampire stam regen I cried like a baby. I had a very hard time adapting and almost quit. So guess what I did? I went searching for other games and found one that sounded interesting. I paid $450 for CU, and now am just waiting for beta 1. ( which is soon )

Did you see what I did there? I paid another company $450 dollars, and that money could have went to ESO. Changes do matter to me.

I would love to say ESO was the only game I ever played, but I don't think that is gong to happen.

Argawarga · April 2017

What exactly was that tantrum supposed to be about? If any of that stuff was related to a single coherent topic, I missed it.

Did Alex Jones hijack his account?

Shadow_Viper_vX · April 2017

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Fengrush (one of the greatest, if not the greatest ESO streamer. Because he is there streaming to have fun and for the sake of playing ESO itself. Not to sell t-shirts, or some acted personality) said it best. ZOS's intention is to shake everything up. For three years now ESO has grown and morphed into what it is now. ZOS can stand back for a minute and see ESO for what it is on a macro level.

We've had three years of some tweaks here, more tweaks there, a screw tightened there, etc. The players know it and have called for it and ZOS agrees. Radical change is required in order to march towards a better balance in game. The only way to start the ball rolling is to knock the house down to its foundations and start building a new one. You get the more radical changes to begin with and then I am more than certain going forward ZOS will implement more tweaks to continue to fine tune things.

If any of you thought that the 3.0 update was going to be some magical patch where nirvana and perfect balance was achieved in one fell swoop, then you are off your damn rocking chair!

With that being said, everyone should check out the Fengrush Twitch channel and join the king of the stam sorcs, first of his kind, and his friends as they battle ungodly odds against rabid foaming at the mouth elves and the drunkard bloodthirsty Pact army for control of Cyrodiil and the fate of the free peoples of Tamriel.

QFE!!!!

Extremely well said

ZOS_CoriJ · April 2017

We've removed a few more posts. Please keep the thread on topic away from shaming others and the discussion on the rails.

rotaugen454 · April 2017

I tried to watch the whole video, but it disappeared before I could get back to it.

TheBonesXXX · April 2017

I want to ask Deltia if he is an Undertaker fan.

ThePaleItalian · April 2017

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

I want to ask Deltia if he is an Undertaker fan.

Too soon! :'(

Shad0wfire99 · April 2017

Man, had to take the entire post down for an hour just to snip out all the baiting? lol

TheBonesXXX · April 2017

I want to ask Deltia if he is an Undertaker fan.

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

I want to ask Deltia if he is an Undertaker fan.

Too soon! :'(

IK, I watched my childhood go wooooooooosh knowing Mark Calaway will never perform again.

ThePaleItalian · April 2017

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

I want to ask Deltia if he is an Undertaker fan.

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

I want to ask Deltia if he is an Undertaker fan.

Too soon! :'(

IK, I watched my childhood go wooooooooosh knowing Mark Calaway will never perform again.

And to lose to all people..... just sucks.. greatest 30 min walk and into in wrestling history.

OT...
So is Deltia is ok? Seemed a little hairy there for a min

Floki_Vilgerdarson · April 2017

zaria wrote: »

Looks like he is as pissed as most of us.

I would like to sell you a bridge.

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Absolut_Turkey · April 2017

I seriously hope ZOS doesn't unnecessarily nerf any class, Templar, Nightblade, or otherwise. "Class balance" is very important to any mmos overall health. Players should feel as if ANY of the classes is a viable class to play. Not just the shiny new one. Morrowind isn't live yet, so at this point we'll just have to wait and see. And if ZOS screws this pooch on this one, then we'll just take are time and money elsewhere.

Armes · April 2017

Who is Deltia? So much emotion arround some video. But does he have some impact on my playing and enjoy the game? No. I dont have time watch another people how they play, if I can play myself.
So dont worry about one player from thousand, opinion differ....

ManwithBeard9 · April 2017

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

I want to ask Deltia if he is an Undertaker fan.

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

I want to ask Deltia if he is an Undertaker fan.

Too soon! :'(

IK, I watched my childhood go wooooooooosh knowing Mark Calaway will never perform again.

Kane better not retire yet. Brothers of Destruction will gone forever then.

Kane is running for mayor in some town in Tennessee

AzraelKrieg · April 2017

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

Deltia is a great guy, I watch all his content, but he is not a good actor. He was acting like pro wrestlers do before a match, a bunch of corny hype. I was waiting for him to break a 2x4 over his head or throw a chair.

At least most pro wrestlers these days get a bit of acting training to make what they seem believable.