It's complicated. I consider a person to be causal if they don't take time to learn anything deeper than what's on the surface. Normally this isn't big of a deal, most games do a decent job of showcasing the basics and onward, but ESO doesn't. So there is a large gap between even the floor and the middle, let alone the ceiling. For the majority of content that doesn't matter. Then suddenly in dungeons the 'it doesn't matter what attack I spam' approach is not longer adequate. All at once the lack of effort put into a synergistic setup smacks players around.

Nothing in the game prepares a player for dungeons and especially not endgame. I think that's in part lazy development, but at the same time the cost of so much player choice combined with so low a ceiling. Not just non-max/min or unoptimized, player's have a lot of freedom to be genuinely bad.Then game strives to conceal indications of inefficiencies. There's not even a brush over of combat roles. Overland content is easy, and level scaling removes a directly visible need for character progression. Combat is clearly based around rotations, but unless a player knew about this concept from another place, ESO would happily leave them none the wiser. Even damage numbers were not added until later.

So while I would agree causals are a 'problem', at the same time I would also say ESO feigns one experience and later swaps it for another.

I suspect if all of us casuals stopped doing the pledges entirely, then the hardcore "professionals" would rarely find enough people to group with.
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Tryxus wrote: »

This thread's casual

LOL!!!

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

When I see someone using Bone Shield it makes me laugh as I click "Vote to Kick".

Maybe they had too much stam and needed to get rid of it?

I thought that's what dodge rolling is for? Come to think of it we should probably just rename it to rolling*


*on a rare occurrence, rolling might dodge an attack.

Hey don't go knocking roll now, it's the coolest way to get around.

On Vet Mazzatun?

You are much kinder than I am....I would have kicked the CP34 at the start.

Kodrac wrote: »

Man, that guy doesn't sound very casual LOL. Low CP does not equal casual. What you encountered was a d-bag. D-bags are d-bags regardless of their CP totals.

EDIT: Damn filter.

you sir, just got applauded!

Asardes wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Back in my day Pledges came out around the same time the Vet system did and the majority of people running them weren't even remotely close to being V16.

I haven't since run a vet pledge, nor am I aware of any changes that might've been made to them, but if they're the same as they've always been then I can't understand at all this insistence that people be like CP300 just to run pledges.

So someone enlighten me on what I'm missing here as someone who hasn't played the game since then.

The resistance, HP and damage mobs and bosses do have been significantly increased in One Tamriel patch for veteran dungeons. The normal versions today are close to veteran ones back then.

Veteran dungeons are far harder than before we had cp, but then veteran dungeons was the only game in town at max level.
We did not clear all of them however.
Normal dungeons is harder to determine as they was leveled.
I have been in some groups who failed normal but it was dlc dungeons and very bad players, low dps and did not understand mechanism.

Simply add some undaunted level to the requirement for veteran, however on account so someone who has done MoL HM don't have to do lots of normal on his alt because no undaunted level.

Jitterbug wrote: »

Amadis001 wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

@jlboozer You're cool. Here is the awesome that you wanted.


@Gordon906 There was another thread talking about a matching based group finder, which would make all the best players ideally join up with the best etc.

I like this idea; maybe not skill-based per se, but CP based, in a range, so that CP 100's tend to be grouped with other CP 100-ish players. This works very well in other games I've played; as you progress, the dungeon gets easier, not only because you're higher level but because your entire team tends to be.

I really don't feel like we need to make the dungeon finder more complex.

Lol... I agree... a year ago we were crying because the dungeon finder didn't work at all.

Another elitist. By the way, I am trying to do the pledges but I don't find people in any of the three capitals to do them. Those places pretty empty.

There are some really really really bad players in ESO for sure. I know casual players that know what they are doing. They actually look things up and work towards decent gear and know what rotations are. I have to say though, there are a crapton of really bad players though. I was tanking for a group in BC2 vet last night and the DPS was so low. I swear it took 20 minutes to get the large daedroth boss down. After we killed it I just left the group. I'm sorry man, I cannot waste a crapton of time in a dungeon with people that don't care to learn how to play. These players were between 250-300 CP

I used to run pugs every day normally with high cp players that 90% of the time turned what should have been a simple exercise into an epic struggle.

Then I joined my first guild recently, a casual, newly formed one so I could enjoy the game without stress....and it turns out lower cp players in a casual guild without the need for any teamspeak, can happily run dungeons with the minimum of fuss.

I will never pug again.

Tryxus wrote: »

This thread's casual

I'd give you a cookie if I could.

Hands down my favourite forumer