Top dps class/builds currently in pve?
DivyathFyr
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Im wondering...
Cause i keep hearing all kinds of stories lol anyways who and what are the highest damage class/builds right now?
I know magic sorc is first but who follow suit?
I thought mageblade untill i found out its one of the worst haha
Cause i keep hearing all kinds of stories lol anyways who and what are the highest damage class/builds right now?
I know magic sorc is first but who follow suit?
I thought mageblade untill i found out its one of the worst haha
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha6 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Honestly I still don't know how we can gauge this because there are so many variables now.
If it's just solo DPS parse then we could rank it but surely when it comes to organised groups which are buffing one another results are going to vary depending on each composition.
Most of what I hear though is all about Magicka sorcs this patch however. That said we're two months away from Morrowind now which is going to shift the meta and rankings of classes around again.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha
Really sick and tired of the spreading of misinformation. Mag Sorc significantly outparses all other setups in a raid environment. If you cherry pick data and examples, then it will look like DKs can compete. However, DKs have several problems that other classes don't have to deal with:
1. Melee only
2. Massive inconsistencies with DPS (Slow to startup due to all the DoTs, huge DPS trough when Standard isn't up)
3. Constrained by mana worse than every other class (which will be even worse once CP gets changed)
To OP: Just play Mag SorcPC NA
~Currently taking a break from the game until my DK can become something more than just a crafter~4 -
Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭
Well, I wouldn't say significally...Really sick and tired of the spreading of misinformation. Mag Sorc significantly outparses all other setups in a raid environment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR3XR4qsNhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasQBA65JHE
It's technically 6.7%.
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Chibs✭✭✭✭I play MNB. So Magicka Sorcerer I would say. I have been playing on and off since 2015 and they have always been contenders. They have insane survivability and top damage. I hate them so much. Dont know why this class doesnt get nerfed every patch but Templars do.
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Fignutz821✭✭✭I play MNB. So Magicka Sorcerer I would say. I have been playing on and off since 2015 and they have always been contenders. They have insane survivability and top damage. I hate them so much. Dont know why this class doesnt get nerfed every patch but Templars do.
Clearly you've never fought a reactive transmutation aidsplar...
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha
Really sick and tired of the spreading of misinformation. Mag Sorc significantly outparses all other setups in a raid environment. If you cherry pick data and examples, then it will look like DKs can compete. However, DKs have several problems that other classes don't have to deal with:
1. Melee only
2. Massive inconsistencies with DPS (Slow to startup due to all the DoTs, huge DPS trough when Standard isn't up)
3. Constrained by mana worse than every other class (which will be even worse once CP gets changed)
To OP: Just play Mag Sorc
@Neighbor
Your arguments make absolutely no sense. 1. Obviously mDKs play melee, what does that have to do with anything if talking about DPS. Most good groups have 5-6 melee DPS. Melee has historically pulled more DPS. It should as its harder to play. 2. Yes, DKs take a while to get rolling, but we are talking about trial DPS on fights that last several minutes. 3. If you cant sustain any class, you have poor support or a L2P issue. DK sustain is just fine thanks to their battle roar passive. Either way, sustain is not relevant to the conversation. We are talking about damage, and all 4 magic classes are perfectly sustainable in a proper group.
As for DPS, I am not cherry picking anything. Sorcs are certainly the flavor of the month, and they can parse very high, perhaps the highest on boss fights with a ton of adds. Their splash damage is in first place. What I am trying to suggest that in these trial fights, what most competitive groups care about is not the total damage you parse on a fight, but the single target damage you do on a boss. That is what is relevent for burning through certain mechanics and raw score in a trial.
In terms of Single Target DPS, mDKs are ahead of sorc right now. Just as an example (from Yolo's homepage):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR3XR4qsNhA
mDK: 60.7k Total DPS, 49.3K Single Target DPShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasQBA65JHE
mSorc: 64.5k Total DPS, 44.8k Single Target DPS
I wont claim that one set of parses are definitive, but it illustrates a very valid point. If you think the second parse is more desirable, you are quite mistaken.
Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on April 3, 2017 6:10PM7 -
GilGalad✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha
Really sick and tired of the spreading of misinformation. Mag Sorc significantly outparses all other setups in a raid environment. If you cherry pick data and examples, then it will look like DKs can compete. However, DKs have several problems that other classes don't have to deal with:
1. Melee only
2. Massive inconsistencies with DPS (Slow to startup due to all the DoTs, huge DPS trough when Standard isn't up)
3. Constrained by mana worse than every other class (which will be even worse once CP gets changed)
To OP: Just play Mag SorcYour arguments make absolutely no sense. 1. Obviously mDKs play melee, what does that have to do with anything if talking about DPS. Most good groups have 5-6 melee DPS. Melee has historically pulled more DPS. It should as its harder to play. 2. Yes, DKs take a while to get rolling, but we are talking about trial DPS on fights that last several minutes. 3. If you cant sustain any class, you have poor support or a L2P issue. DK sustain is just fine thanks to their battle roar passive. Either way, sustain is not relevant to the conversation. We are talking about damage, and all 4 magic classes are perfectly sustainable in a proper group.
As for DPS, I am not cherry picking anything. Sorcs are certainly the flavor of the month, and they can parse very high, perhaps the highest on boss fights with a ton of adds. Their splash damage is in first place. What I am trying to suggest that in these trial fights, what most competitive groups care about is not the total damage you parse on a fight, but the single target damage you do on a boss. That is what is relevent for burning through certain mechanics and raw score in a trial.
In terms of Single Target DPS, mDKs are ahead of sorc right now. Just as an example (from Yolo's homepage):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR3XR4qsNhA
mDK: 60.7k Total DPS, 49.3K Single Target DPShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasQBA65JHE
mSorc: 64.5k Total, 44.8k DPS
I wont claim that one set of parses are definitive, but it illustrates a very valid point. If you think the second parse is more desirable, you are quite mistaken.
The problem with DKs is that if they have to cleanse one debuff in that fight, they loose a ton of DPS, while Sorcs can still do a lot from the distance. In terms of Single target dmg DKs are not much ahead, but they will deal significantly less dmg on all the trash groups through the trial and there are a lot in vMOL for example.
Here is another Sorc video from the first boss (47.8k)
https://youtu.be/WjBZQETkD7w
And for the fun also the 2nd boss, because that's where the trouble begins for DKs:
https://youtu.be/RiU941zNG54 0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
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Well, I wouldn't say significally...Really sick and tired of the spreading of misinformation. Mag Sorc significantly outparses all other setups in a raid environment.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR3XR4qsNhAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasQBA65JHE
It's technically 6.7%.
@Dantaria
Ha! Totally didnt realize you posted the same videos that I did. We should do a poll: Which parse is more desirable for the raid? Hint: if you say the sorc parse, you are wrong.
If you want to talk math, mDK is doing approx 10% more single target than the sorc.
mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting.
My first statement: tell me again where the misinformation is exactly? @NeighborEdited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on April 3, 2017 6:09PM3 -
GawdSB✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha
Lol stop.
MagSorc is first. If you look at it from a trials perspective, first off it's ranged whereas MagDK has to be close ranged. The rotation is so much more simple than a MagDK. And lastly the damage output is a lot better than all other classes including MagDK in 98% of the situations.1 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Fignutz821 wrote: »I play MNB. So Magicka Sorcerer I would say. I have been playing on and off since 2015 and they have always been contenders. They have insane survivability and top damage. I hate them so much. Dont know why this class doesnt get nerfed every patch but Templars do.
Clearly you've never fought a reactive transmutation aidsplar...
In a PvE dungeon? Lol you cry babies just have to splash your tears all over the place. And don't worry whiners like you have destroyed the Templar class with most every patch for the last 2,5 years. And with The Warden around the corner the Templar Class is dead, I'm sure. Now get on your Stam God Mode character and go two shoot 90% of Cyrodiil like you're clearly entitled to.
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kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha
Lol stop.
MagSorc is first. If you look at it from a trials perspective, first off it's ranged whereas MagDK has to be close ranged. The rotation is so much more simple than a MagDK. And lastly the damage output is a lot better than all other classes including MagDK in 98% of the situations.
You two are just going to need to agree to disagree... lol
Oreyn is not worried about being ranged and the more complex rotation, and you do/are.
For what it is worth I agree with Oreyn_Bearclaw's stance individually (which is why I am running Magi-DK lately), but also think that trials go much smoother if you don't have to stack too many melee players on top of each other, so from an overall team composition I prefer to be on runs that have a good balance of melee and range which right now seems to be Sorcs and DKs with 1 or 2 Templars (non-healer) and Nightblades occasionally.Playing since beta...2 -
s7732425ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭The differences between the classes is so small, that unless you are in a world record raid group (which you probably aren't), any class is fine.
If you want to talk finer details:
MSorc: easy rotation, high AOE damage, fantastic survivability, but not going to be the top single target (due to weaknesses in their class abilities)
MNB: very difficult rotation, really high AOE damage, great group healing, great survivability, cannot get full benefit from the strongest Undaunted helm or proc set due to class limitations (Ilambris and BSW), requires very high player skill to pull decent DPS
MTemplar: easy rotation, high AOE damage, great group healing, great survivability, this is the *** easy class to play for noobs
MDK: very difficult rotation, really high AOE damage, terrible healing, terrible survivability, requires a lot of skill to get decent DPS out of this class
Take your pick. Are you a low-skilled player and want an easy path to high DPS? Play MSorc or MTemp. Do you want to see progression and have the opportunity to pull crazy high DPS once you get the skill? MDK. Do you want to play a decently well-rounded class that still requires a high level of skill to play? MNB.
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Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Yes! And I loled hard!
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »mDK: 60.7k Total DPS, 49.3K Single Target DPS
mSorc: 64.5k Total DPS, 44.8k Single Target DPS
Thank you for pointing it out!
I'm ***, I didn't watch exact numbers
I first thought that mDK was better single-target than magsorc. Than I saw those videos, scratched my head and thought, "ok, I was wrong".
But nope! Still right! I forgot there were adds
Of course mDK result is better. Magsorc is good for AoE, but not the best for single and single is what matters.
My world is set right again
Edited by Dantaria on April 3, 2017 6:35PMEnglish isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha
Lol stop.
MagSorc is first. If you look at it from a trials perspective, first off it's ranged whereas MagDK has to be close ranged. The rotation is so much more simple than a MagDK. And lastly the damage output is a lot better than all other classes including MagDK in 98% of the situations.
@GawdSB
Stop what? Telling the truth about DPS builds? Why on earth would I do that. You are the second person to make the range/melee argument. What does that have to do with anything? If you want to have a discussion about what is the easiest way to pull competitive DPS, then yes, I will certainly concede that Sorc (or perhaps even Templar) would get that crown. I play both mSorc and mDK in end game trials. I understand the pros and cons to each.
However, if the question is what is the best DPS, than the melee/ranged distinction is meaningless. Furthermore, the most applicable scenario to judge the "best dps" is single target on trial boss fights, as that is what groups pushing for score care about. In that scenario, the answer is simply NOT sorc.
Are they competitive? Absolutely. Do you want a few in your raid group? You betcha (especially since there are a lot of trash fights in any trial). Are they easier to play than mDK? Probably a touch. Do they have the highest splash damage? I believe so. Do they pull the most single target DPS on trial bosses? Nope, Nada, No f'ing way, not a chance, zero, zip, zilch, yada yada yada.
What you fail to understand is that good groups dont care about splash damage on a trial fight. If you look at the parses above, a good group is going to care more about the 49k single target parse (mDK) than the 64k total DPS parse (mSorc). I dont know what else I can do to explain that to you, but take VMOL HM for example:
The last boss has a crap load of adds on HM. If your goal was to get the highest total parse possible, you would probably do some sort of lightning staff heavy attack rotation. The problem with that is that when you get to the end of the first lunar phase and the boss is still alive, you have a whole different set of mechanics to deal with. If you want to actually skip the middle phase, you need a fixed amount of single target DPS on the boss himself. mDKs are better at this than sorcs. Show me data that disagrees with that, and I am happy to objectively look at it. I have not seen it myself.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on April 3, 2017 6:46PM3 -
s7732425ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Yes! And I loled hard!Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »mDK: 60.7k Total DPS, 49.3K Single Target DPS
mSorc: 64.5k Total DPS, 44.8k Single Target DPS
Thank you for pointing it out!
I'm ***, I didn't watch exact numbers I first thought that mDK was better single-target than magsorc. Than I saw those videos, scratched my head and thought, "ok, I was wrong".
But nope! Still right! I forgot there were adds
Of course mDK result is better. Magsorc is good for AoE, but not the best for single and single is what matters.
My world is set right again
Lol @ "single is what matters". What boss nowadays doesn't have adds? ALL of the bosses in Vet Maw have adds. And that is the reason why people can pull 50k or more DPS because there are adds inflating the numbers.0 -
Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha
Really sick and tired of the spreading of misinformation. Mag Sorc significantly outparses all other setups in a raid environment. If you cherry pick data and examples, then it will look like DKs can compete. However, DKs have several problems that other classes don't have to deal with:
1. Melee only
2. Massive inconsistencies with DPS (Slow to startup due to all the DoTs, huge DPS trough when Standard isn't up)
3. Constrained by mana worse than every other class (which will be even worse once CP gets changed)
To OP: Just play Mag Sorc
I was just playing my MaGDK DPS yesterday I thought of the CP change the whole time. It is going to SUCK.
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Yes! And I loled hard!Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »mDK: 60.7k Total DPS, 49.3K Single Target DPS
mSorc: 64.5k Total DPS, 44.8k Single Target DPS
Thank you for pointing it out!
I'm ***, I didn't watch exact numbers I first thought that mDK was better single-target than magsorc. Than I saw those videos, scratched my head and thought, "ok, I was wrong".
But nope! Still right! I forgot there were adds
Of course mDK result is better. Magsorc is good for AoE, but not the best for single and single is what matters.
My world is set right again
Lol @ "single is what matters". What boss nowadays doesn't have adds? ALL of the bosses in Vet Maw have adds. And that is the reason why people can pull 50k or more DPS because there are adds inflating the numbers.
@s7732425ub17_ESO
It's absolutely what matters if pushing score. All adds die to splash damage. Good raid groups do not focus any adds on trial boss fights as they will simply die either way. You obviously would have issues stacking 8 melee on most fights, which is why sorcs are highly sought after for the ranged roles.
Put it this way. Who could kill a boss faster: 5 mDKs and 3 mSorcs OR 3mDKs and 5 mSorcs. The answer is the first one because they do more single target DPS. In both fights, all the adds are dead either way.
As to adds inflating numbers, that's kind of my whole point. Sorcs are excellent at inflating parses. There are very good players out there that are hitting 50k single target. The video above of Yolo's mDK almost did just that. His sorc (and he is about as good as they come on sorc) has a ways to go. The most relevant DPS threshold on any trial fight is burning Rakkhat past the middle phase. Yes the adds need to die, but this can only be achieved with high single target DPS. In that arena, mDK is king.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on April 3, 2017 6:55PM2 -
Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Lol @ "single is what matters". What boss nowadays doesn't have adds? ALL of the bosses in Vet Maw have adds. And that is the reason why people can pull 50k or more DPS because there are adds inflating the numbers.
You do realise that all end-game succesful builds burn trash like nothing, right? The vast majority of adds doesn't matter and can easily be disregarded ('cause they don't live long enough anyway )
What matters is how quickly you burn the boss.English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.1 -
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✭✭MagSorc, then magplar, then mdk, and after these 3 goes trash-tier only.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Lol @ "single is what matters". What boss nowadays doesn't have adds? ALL of the bosses in Vet Maw have adds. And that is the reason why people can pull 50k or more DPS because there are adds inflating the numbers.
You do realise that all end-game succesful builds burn trash like nothing, right? The vast majority of adds doesn't matter and can easily be disregarded ('cause they don't live long enough anyway )
What matters is how quickly you burn the boss.
100% this. I will certainly concede that in a less experienced group where group DPS is perhaps not up to scratch, they will find more sorcs to be beneficial. Sorcs are great when you are getting overwhelmed by adds. In a proper group, about the only add you even pay attention to are the hulks on the last boss in VMOL. Most groups ignore even these for the most part.0 -
Horowonnoe✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Well, I wouldn't say significally...Really sick and tired of the spreading of misinformation. Mag Sorc significantly outparses all other setups in a raid environment.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR3XR4qsNhAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasQBA65JHE
It's technically 6.7%.
@Dantaria
Ha! Totally didnt realize you posted the same videos that I did. We should do a poll: Which parse is more desirable for the raid? Hint: if you say the sorc parse, you are wrong.
If you want to talk math, mDK is doing approx 10% more single target than the sorc.
mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting.
My first statement: tell me again where the misinformation is exactly? @Neighbor
@Oreyn_Bearclaw lol poll is up - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/333129/which-parse-is-betterPC / NA
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GawdSB✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Actually magic Sorc is not first. It's in second or maybe even third. mSorcs are perhaps winning for splash damage, but mDKs are ahead for pure single target in a raid setting. If you look at parses of some of the best of the best, you will see slightly higher Total DPS parses out of sorcs on certain fights, but the single target DPS on the boss is higher on DK.
Also, there are still credible people (Alcast for example) claiming they still get the highest parses on templar in a raid setting. They were in first latch patch IMO. Sorc is in the spotlight at the moment, because it is very easy to cheese 35k DPS, which is new ground for a lot of people. At the extreme end of things, they are not in first place for single target.
As for mNBs, I do think they are better than last patch, but they are still in 4th place in the magic race. You can still pull very good numbers with them, but they are like 95% as good as sorc, with 125% of the required effort. I actually think playing mNB is good training for a sorc. Haha
Lol stop.
MagSorc is first. If you look at it from a trials perspective, first off it's ranged whereas MagDK has to be close ranged. The rotation is so much more simple than a MagDK. And lastly the damage output is a lot better than all other classes including MagDK in 98% of the situations.
@GawdSB
Stop what? Telling the truth about DPS builds? Why on earth would I do that. You are the second person to make the range/melee argument. What does that have to do with anything? If you want to have a discussion about what is the easiest way to pull competitive DPS, then yes, I will certainly concede that Sorc (or perhaps even Templar) would get that crown. I play both mSorc and mDK in end game trials. I understand the pros and cons to each.
However, if the question is what is the best DPS, than the melee/ranged distinction is meaningless. Furthermore, the most applicable scenario to judge the "best dps" is single target on trial boss fights, as that is what groups pushing for score care about. In that scenario, the answer is simply NOT sorc.
Are they competitive? Absolutely. Do you want a few in your raid group? You betcha (especially since there are a lot of trash fights in any trial). Are they easier to play than mDK? Probably a touch. Do they have the highest splash damage? I believe so. Do they pull the most single target DPS on trial bosses? Nope, Nada, No f'ing way, not a chance, zero, zip, zilch, yada yada yada.
What you fail to understand is that good groups dont care about splash damage on a trial fight. If you look at the parses above, a good group is going to care more about the 49k single target parse (mDK) than the 64k total DPS parse (mSorc). I dont know what else I can do to explain that to you, but take VMOL HM for example:
The last boss has a crap load of adds on HM. If your goal was to get the highest total parse possible, you would probably do some sort of lightning staff heavy attack rotation. The problem with that is that when you get to the end of the first lunar phase and the boss is still alive, you have a whole different set of mechanics to deal with. If you want to actually skip the middle phase, you need a fixed amount of single target DPS on the boss himself. mDKs are better at this than sorcs. Show me data that disagrees with that, and I am happy to objectively look at it. I have not seen it myself.
Lol wrote this whole essay and still wrong. MagDK have sustain issues, MagDK rotation as a whole is a lot harder to keep up with. So you're still not telling the truth when it comes to dps. Ranged or close MagSorc is still the best. Obviously there will be a few in your group but for the most part when it comes to dps it'll be Sorcs.
You say show you data to object to a point with no data. Lol, yea like I said stop it. You're picking and choosing when the question which class has the best dps. And in general that's MagSorc. Like you I've played both, I like my DK a lot more but I know which does more damage and at an easier rotation.0 -
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What? Why great group healing? NBs don't run anything that heals the group - otherwise they'd have even less DPS, which they already have the lowest out of all mages even with an optimized setup with no heals.s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »
MNB: very difficult rotation, really high AOE damage, great group healing, great survivability, cannot get full benefit from the strongest Undaunted helm or proc set due to class limitations (Ilambris and BSW), requires very high player skill to pull decent DPS0 -
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✭Fignutz821 wrote: »I play MNB. So Magicka Sorcerer I would say. I have been playing on and off since 2015 and they have always been contenders. They have insane survivability and top damage. I hate them so much. Dont know why this class doesnt get nerfed every patch but Templars do.
Clearly you've never fought a reactive transmutation aidsplar...
In a PvE dungeon? Lol you cry babies just have to splash your tears all over the place. And don't worry whiners like you have destroyed the Templar class with most every patch for the last 2,5 years. And with The Warden around the corner the Templar Class is dead, I'm sure. Now get on your Stam God Mode character and go two shoot 90% of Cyrodiil like you're clearly entitled to.
Well, look who is crying now
Oh, it's you 3
Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
flizomica✭✭✭✭✭mSorc ~ mDK > templar > nb?
DK pulls slightly higher single target but does the most dps in melee range, so you can argue that its worse than sorc.0
