How good is chudan?

Rickter · April 2017

my opinions on Chudan are that its not good, but its not bad.

on one hand, its a bit liberating to not have to slot Hardened Armor as a DK. it frees up a precious skill slot and lets me slot more utility or self heals.

on the other hand, blood spawn is just really good, and the 2pc proc is better than Hardened armor and it procs rather often. .

SquareSausage · April 2017

Despite what the top tanks here saying, I still personally like it as for aforementioned reasons of not having to recast armour and the extra skill slot, and being in a rotation, there is no need for extra ulti. Just keep green dragon blood up to recieve healing recieved bonus which is always on my bar anyway as an oh *** heal also.

I use several sets though depending on situation.

paulsimonps · April 2017

Rickter wrote: »

my opinions on Chudan are that its not good, but its not bad.

on one hand, its a bit liberating to not have to slot Hardened Armor as a DK. it frees up a precious skill slot and lets me slot more utility or self heals.

on the other hand, blood spawn is just really good, and the 2pc proc is better than Hardened armor and it procs rather often. .

EEeeeehhhhh Bloodspawn is overrated AF

AhPook_Is_Here · April 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

I'ts not very good for DK tanks because the 2pc is the exact same as spike armor. Anything that gives major resolve and major ward won't stack with chudan's.

Templars have channeled focus which also provides the same buffs.

I can't think of nightblade or sorc abilities which provide major ward and major resolve off the top of my head, so maybe its more useful for those classes.

You're kidding right? You get both those buffs from a passive for using any ability in the shadow tree, like path or image. For a sorc lightning form and it's morps give it. Nightblades already don't have to waste a slot on it and if you slot shadow image you will get minor maim as a bonus.

Gordon906 · April 2017

Liofa wrote: »

Chudan is a noob filter in my eyes . It means ''I don't know how to bar-swap and use a 20 second duration skill from my back bar'' . Chudan is like using Slimecraw on a Nightblade DD . You have a skill that gives the same thing and activates great passives but nooo , better waste 2 item slots to get a buff you don't even need .

In almost every fight , you can bar swap . I am tanking vmol hm with a lightning staff (for blockade) on back bar without guard , bar swapping every 7-8 seconds . Doing same on Warrior HM , without guard . If someone says you can't/shouldn't/don't want to bar swap , they are lying . Learn attacks of the boss and make use of every skill slot in a fight . I personally have different skill bars for every boss and I make sure I use every single skill actively . This is how you should tank .

So yea , only use for Chudan is seeing who has no idea about tanking . Same goes for Hist Bark . Those two are the most useless and overrated sets in the game for tanks .

But shouldn't you use the best gear to maximize your tanking instead of worrying about what others think about you?

IronCrystal · April 2017

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

I'ts not very good for DK tanks because the 2pc is the exact same as spike armor. Anything that gives major resolve and major ward won't stack with chudan's.

Templars have channeled focus which also provides the same buffs.

I can't think of nightblade or sorc abilities which provide major ward and major resolve off the top of my head, so maybe its more useful for those classes.

You're kidding right? You get both those buffs from a passive for using any ability in the shadow tree, like path or image. For a sorc lightning form and it's morps give it. Nightblades already don't have to waste a slot on it and if you slot shadow image you will get minor maim as a bonus.

Yes, that was realized just a few posts below the one you quoted. I don't play nightblade much

Rickter · April 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

my opinions on Chudan are that its not good, but its not bad.

on one hand, its a bit liberating to not have to slot Hardened Armor as a DK. it frees up a precious skill slot and lets me slot more utility or self heals.

on the other hand, blood spawn is just really good, and the 2pc proc is better than Hardened armor and it procs rather often. .

EEeeeehhhhh Bloodspawn is overrated AF

no. . . just. . . no

Acrolas · April 2017

I use Chudan overworld on my heavy Templar tank so that I can back-bar Restoring Focus for more situational use.

He'd probably be a little more gank-proof than my other characters, too. I'll have to run him in IC for a little bit and see how that goes.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

I'ts not very good for DK tanks because the 2pc is the exact same as spike armor. Anything that gives major resolve and major ward won't stack with chudan's.

Templars have channeled focus which also provides the same buffs.

I can't think of nightblade or sorc abilities which provide major ward and major resolve off the top of my head, so maybe its more useful for those classes.

You're kidding right? You get both those buffs from a passive for using any ability in the shadow tree, like path or image. For a sorc lightning form and it's morps give it. Nightblades already don't have to waste a slot on it and if you slot shadow image you will get minor maim as a bonus.

Oh my god I had this same argument with the forum dk tank squad when chudan came out and got shouted down. It has it's uses, personally I find pirate more helpful since 30% dr is greater than added defense which gets cut off. Dks love bs because they are the worst class to generate ult.

paulsimonps · April 2017

Rickter wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

my opinions on Chudan are that its not good, but its not bad.

on one hand, its a bit liberating to not have to slot Hardened Armor as a DK. it frees up a precious skill slot and lets me slot more utility or self heals.

on the other hand, blood spawn is just really good, and the 2pc proc is better than Hardened armor and it procs rather often. .

EEeeeehhhhh Bloodspawn is overrated AF

no. . . just. . . no

Yes, it is, the 1piece is useless, and the 2nd pieces extra resistance should not be relied upon and in a well formed group with 4 warhorns going out you want to stay in rotation and not just blast your horn when you get it so in almost every instance the ulti gen is not needed. So I say again. Bloodspawn is overrated.

Zyrudin · April 2017

I tried to convey earlier in the thread (but it got buried) that using 1 piece of Chudan, 1 piece of Pirate Skeleton and stack it with Major Resolve and Major Ward is better than just using the two pieces of Chudan for the resistance bonuses.

If on top of that you add Armor Master with the buffs being given by the heavy armor ability, you get 13k+ of resistances.

This can allow for a more tanky build without even using Heavy Armor, given that this increase will easily reach the cap with other armor types.

paulsimonps · April 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

I tried to convey earlier in the thread (but it got buried) that using 1 piece of Chudan, 1 piece of Pirate Skeleton and stack it with Major Resolve and Major Ward is better than just using the two pieces of Chudan for the resistance bonuses.

If on top of that you add Armor Master with the buffs being given by the heavy armor ability, you get 13k+ of resistances.

This can allow for a more tanky build without even using Heavy Armor, given that this increase will easily reach the cap with other armor types.

I see what you are going for but I think you would lose to much going Armor Master and especially without Heavy Armor. In trials the only reason not to go heavy armor is the use Powerful Assault with Alkosh so you wouldn't want the armor master there to mess up that great buff/debuff combo for off tanks and as a Main tank you could just as well not use Armor Master and stick to other strong heavy armor sets and you would be fine with resistance. I agree however that 1p Chudan and 1p Pirate Skeleton is not a bad idea. I love the idea of combining the 1piece bonuses to get something you otherwise wouldn't. Which is why I run 1p Chokethorn and 1p Shadowrend for the extra magicak recovery so I can be more effective with my buffs and Crowd Control with chains and talons and other.

idk · April 2017

Surak73 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Dropping the DK armor buff removes two things. It removes 12% increased healing

If you use Green Dragonblood you don't lose the 12% increased healing from passive, AND you have another 8% more healing from the skill itself. 20% more healing doesn't seem so bad to me. And on top of that you have major fortitude and major endurance.

@Surak73

Would seem silly to keep dragon blood up 100% of the time.

Considering I've never seen a tank run it in vMoL and certainly not in vMoL HM a t doesn't seem to be considered a worthy set. Have never heard it brought up in any serious tanking discussion.

As I think I said earlier, maybe a new tank get by used to everything else or player that doesn't tank much.

Liofa · April 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Chudan is a noob filter in my eyes . It means ''I don't know how to bar-swap and use a 20 second duration skill from my back bar'' . Chudan is like using Slimecraw on a Nightblade DD . You have a skill that gives the same thing and activates great passives but nooo , better waste 2 item slots to get a buff you don't even need .

In almost every fight , you can bar swap . I am tanking vmol hm with a lightning staff (for blockade) on back bar without guard , bar swapping every 7-8 seconds . Doing same on Warrior HM , without guard . If someone says you can't/shouldn't/don't want to bar swap , they are lying . Learn attacks of the boss and make use of every skill slot in a fight . I personally have different skill bars for every boss and I make sure I use every single skill actively . This is how you should tank .

So yea , only use for Chudan is seeing who has no idea about tanking . Same goes for Hist Bark . Those two are the most useless and overrated sets in the game for tanks .

But shouldn't you use the best gear to maximize your tanking instead of worrying about what others think about you?

Please explain to me how Chudan will maximize my tanking . How is it going to make me support group ? Slotting Guard and using it on a DD ? If I am comfortable enough to use Guard , I shouldn't need Chudan . I rather use something that procs on damage taken . Like Blood Spawn .

Gordon906 · April 2017

Liofa wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Chudan is a noob filter in my eyes . It means ''I don't know how to bar-swap and use a 20 second duration skill from my back bar'' . Chudan is like using Slimecraw on a Nightblade DD . You have a skill that gives the same thing and activates great passives but nooo , better waste 2 item slots to get a buff you don't even need .

In almost every fight , you can bar swap . I am tanking vmol hm with a lightning staff (for blockade) on back bar without guard , bar swapping every 7-8 seconds . Doing same on Warrior HM , without guard . If someone says you can't/shouldn't/don't want to bar swap , they are lying . Learn attacks of the boss and make use of every skill slot in a fight . I personally have different skill bars for every boss and I make sure I use every single skill actively . This is how you should tank .

So yea , only use for Chudan is seeing who has no idea about tanking . Same goes for Hist Bark . Those two are the most useless and overrated sets in the game for tanks .

But shouldn't you use the best gear to maximize your tanking instead of worrying about what others think about you?

Please explain to me how Chudan will maximize my tanking . How is it going to make me support group ? Slotting Guard and using it on a DD ? If I am comfortable enough to use Guard , I shouldn't need Chudan . I rather use something that procs on damage taken . Like Blood Spawn .

Im sayng that if a set is good or overpowered I wouldn't call it a noob set and set it aside just because you think you're too good for it. If it is overpowered and it is superior to other sets I would definitely use it instead of hating it.

Dragonking06 · April 2017

I carry a few sets with me on my DK tank, Lord Warden, Blood Spawn and even Malubeth, each one has it's uses depending on the situation. I like the idea of Chudan and being able to open up a slot, but realistically the only skills I'd put in there so I don't lose the healing bonus from Draconic passives would be Dragon Blood. But that itself costs more Magicka to cast than Hardened Armor that it makes me question if it would actually be worth it.

I've got a Sturdy shoulder and Infused helm both in heavy that I've been hanging onto. Might play around and see if I can find a situation it would be useful in, but it doesn't seem like there would be where Warden could do just as good a job.

Liofa · April 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Gordon906 wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Chudan is a noob filter in my eyes . It means ''I don't know how to bar-swap and use a 20 second duration skill from my back bar'' . Chudan is like using Slimecraw on a Nightblade DD . You have a skill that gives the same thing and activates great passives but nooo , better waste 2 item slots to get a buff you don't even need .

In almost every fight , you can bar swap . I am tanking vmol hm with a lightning staff (for blockade) on back bar without guard , bar swapping every 7-8 seconds . Doing same on Warrior HM , without guard . If someone says you can't/shouldn't/don't want to bar swap , they are lying . Learn attacks of the boss and make use of every skill slot in a fight . I personally have different skill bars for every boss and I make sure I use every single skill actively . This is how you should tank .

So yea , only use for Chudan is seeing who has no idea about tanking . Same goes for Hist Bark . Those two are the most useless and overrated sets in the game for tanks .

But shouldn't you use the best gear to maximize your tanking instead of worrying about what others think about you?

Please explain to me how Chudan will maximize my tanking . How is it going to make me support group ? Slotting Guard and using it on a DD ? If I am comfortable enough to use Guard , I shouldn't need Chudan . I rather use something that procs on damage taken . Like Blood Spawn .

Im sayng that if a set is good or overpowered I wouldn't call it a noob set and set it aside just because you think you're too good for it. If it is overpowered and it is superior to other sets I would definitely use it instead of hating it.

Good or overpowered ? You got me all wrong . I am not saying it shouldn't be used because it is overpowered or something . I am saying don't use it because it is crap . It has absolutely no use for PvE . It is far from being superior to other sets .

Sordidfairytale · April 2017

It has it's niche uses. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, personally.

Bowser · April 2017

I'm going to necro this thread after I clear Rakkhat HM with my Lazy Shell build (Black Rose / Chudan / Hist Bark).

paulsimonps · April 2017

Bowser wrote: »

I'm going to necro this thread after I clear Rakkhat HM with my Lazy Shell build (Black Rose / Chudan / Hist Bark).

Oh you can do it, I have no doubt but you are nerfing your group doing it. So yea.

Bowser · April 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I'm going to necro this thread after I clear Rakkhat HM with my Lazy Shell build (Black Rose / Chudan / Hist Bark).

Oh you can do it, I have no doubt but you are nerfing your group doing it. So yea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Pj4hZr_oU

paulsimonps · April 2017

Bowser wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I'm going to necro this thread after I clear Rakkhat HM with my Lazy Shell build (Black Rose / Chudan / Hist Bark).

Oh you can do it, I have no doubt but you are nerfing your group doing it. So yea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Pj4hZr_oU

You really don't seem to get it do you? Sure you did it, but it would have been easier for your group if you ran something else. A set that helped with debuffs or other buffs. You're builds is buffing you and only you, you are even having your off tank run the Ebon, while he could be running something else, like powerful assault or alkosh, or both. So yea, you are super tanky, and I must say good on your group for doing HM with such a selfish tank.

Xrucible · April 2017

So on average bloodspawn uptime is less then 40% for trial bosses even those with adds, kinda worthless.. Ult is useless outside of a rotation and we are already at armor cap to armor is useless too.. Chudan give you another slot that you can use to help support your group. In @Bowser 's case lets him be lazy with one bar for tanking and second bar for basically whatever he feels like doing..

Humatiel · April 2017

besides, the dps check for vmol-hm is super low right now if your willing to do lunar. we had five deaths and discussed how to pronounce aegis DURING the pull and still finished it without to many issues. Sure meta and such helps if you really want to look about score but until your doing deathless runs who cares, focus on surviving.

acw37162 · April 2017

Chudan is an exceptionally nice monster set.

It gives you back a skill slot and takes away a buff you have to refresh. Which depending on the content you run, who you run it with, and how familiar you are with the content can save yours and the groups life.

The are "better" sets but it's really nice and the extra health is awesome because you can slot a tri glyph, stamina glyph, or magica glyph and not loose anything.

theamazingx · April 2017

What you might call a selfish tank, healers will lovingly call a low-maintenance tank.

And next patch when everyone has to do lunar, you might want the extra slot for purge ^^

paulsimonps · April 2017

theamazingx wrote: »

What you might call a selfish tank, healers will lovingly call a low-maintenance tank.

And next patch when everyone has to do lunar, you might want the extra slot for purge ^^

Or you know actually, use my back bar. And I think the extra 12% healing received from using Hardened armor warrants using it, especially in such a heal heavy fight. As well, all you need to be low maintenance is to go heavy into block cost. And even in the next update we will be able to sustain just fine, just got to not spam skills unnecessarily.

Bowser · April 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

What you might call a selfish tank, healers will lovingly call a low-maintenance tank.

And next patch when everyone has to do lunar, you might want the extra slot for purge ^^

Or you know actually, use my back bar. And I think the extra 12% healing received from using Hardened armor warrants using it, especially in such a heal heavy fight. As well, all you need to be low maintenance is to go heavy into block cost. And even in the next update we will be able to sustain just fine, just got to not spam skills unnecessarily.

I could go even more selfish and use dragon blood instead of vigor, and I'll get that 12% healing received. Thanks Paul!

Xrucible · April 2017

Bowser wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

What you might call a selfish tank, healers will lovingly call a low-maintenance tank.

And next patch when everyone has to do lunar, you might want the extra slot for purge ^^

Or you know actually, use my back bar. And I think the extra 12% healing received from using Hardened armor warrants using it, especially in such a heal heavy fight. As well, all you need to be low maintenance is to go heavy into block cost. And even in the next update we will be able to sustain just fine, just got to not spam skills unnecessarily.

I could go even more selfish and use dragon blood instead of vigor, and I'll get that 12% healing received. Thanks Paul!

If you do that then I will be able to switch back to stalwart guard and stop carrying your lazy ass in there..

Humatiel · April 2017

Xrucible wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

What you might call a selfish tank, healers will lovingly call a low-maintenance tank.

And next patch when everyone has to do lunar, you might want the extra slot for purge ^^

Or you know actually, use my back bar. And I think the extra 12% healing received from using Hardened armor warrants using it, especially in such a heal heavy fight. As well, all you need to be low maintenance is to go heavy into block cost. And even in the next update we will be able to sustain just fine, just got to not spam skills unnecessarily.

I could go even more selfish and use dragon blood instead of vigor, and I'll get that 12% healing received. Thanks Paul!

If you do that then I will be able to switch back to stalwart guard and stop carrying your lazy ass in there..

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