How good is chudan?

Bowser

Xrucible wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

What you might call a selfish tank, healers will lovingly call a low-maintenance tank.

And next patch when everyone has to do lunar, you might want the extra slot for purge ^^

Or you know actually, use my back bar. And I think the extra 12% healing received from using Hardened armor warrants using it, especially in such a heal heavy fight. As well, all you need to be low maintenance is to go heavy into block cost. And even in the next update we will be able to sustain just fine, just got to not spam skills unnecessarily.

I could go even more selfish and use dragon blood instead of vigor, and I'll get that 12% healing received. Thanks Paul!

If you do that then I will be able to switch back to stalwart guard and stop carrying your lazy ass in there..

That will get me more damage for my 2h executes! Brilliant!

See the wonderful possibilities that open up when you use Chudan? Its getting buffed next patch too, since all sets with resist bonuses are getting buffed.

IronCrystal

I recommend Lord Warden.

Xrucible

IronCrystal wrote: »

I recommend Lord Warden.

Warden is good for an off tank.. But I dont really see viability on main tank other than 2 or 3 fights..

reesenorman

paulsimonps wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

my opinions on Chudan are that its not good, but its not bad.

on one hand, its a bit liberating to not have to slot Hardened Armor as a DK. it frees up a precious skill slot and lets me slot more utility or self heals.

on the other hand, blood spawn is just really good, and the 2pc proc is better than Hardened armor and it procs rather often. .

EEeeeehhhhh Bloodspawn is overrated AF

no. . . just. . . no

Yes, it is, the 1piece is useless, and the 2nd pieces extra resistance should not be relied upon and in a well formed group with 4 warhorns going out you want to stay in rotation and not just blast your horn when you get it so in almost every instance the ulti gen is not needed. So I say again. Bloodspawn is overrated.

This is dumb, in a well formed group you have BS because you have organised rotations with major force higher than 50%. Get real.I don't know what organised groups your playing with but it certainly sounds potato.

reesenorman

paulsimonps wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I'm going to necro this thread after I clear Rakkhat HM with my Lazy Shell build (Black Rose / Chudan / Hist Bark).

Oh you can do it, I have no doubt but you are nerfing your group doing it. So yea.

You are nerfing your group by not running either:

BS - better major force uptime
Lord Warden - When you are going for mad burns and the dps are all out dps, this helps them stay alive
Rkugamz - Good set as well for offtank, since all raids are Magicka, its important dps have stamina to break free or block things.

reesenorman

paulsimonps wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

What you might call a selfish tank, healers will lovingly call a low-maintenance tank.

And next patch when everyone has to do lunar, you might want the extra slot for purge ^^

Or you know actually, use my back bar. And I think the extra 12% healing received from using Hardened armor warrants using it, especially in such a heal heavy fight. As well, all you need to be low maintenance is to go heavy into block cost. And even in the next update we will be able to sustain just fine, just got to not spam skills unnecessarily.

You claim sustain will be fine, however YOU (the guy who acts like hes the best and know it all tank) cant even sustain the axes in vAA without requesting shards every 15 seconds, sturdy real good hey man.

Sheva I 7 I

Personally for me its in same category as bone pirate. WIll I use it in a raid? No, in a raid I am aiming to provide as much utility as I can while staying alive/not gasping for resources. I trust my healers to keep me alive, only put green dragon blood for add pull on ozara, tanking both mantikoras on serpent but even there i prefer bloodspawn as it helps get ultimate back so much faster and sustain my resources that way (SnB ultimate is quite good for those instances) same on axes. I can see it being viable in pvp though

TheDoomsdayMonster

I heavily PvP and for my build (5 Light, 1 Medium, 1 Heavy) Mighty Chudan is absolutely essential...

I've tried all the other 'good' Monster Sets and the result is the exact same; I'm too squishy with them...

With Chudan, my defense is enough (combined with the rest of my build) to allow me to survive well enough to survive a hard hitting opponents alpha attack, recover, heal back to full health, and either fight back or Mist Form away...


With Chudan, my 'guard' is aways up...

I dont have to think about it...

I dont have to waste a slot on it (Major Resolve/Ward)...


Unless you plan on stacking tons of strong shields, I dont think us Light Armor die-hards have any other options (unless you plan on staying away from melee and only fighting at range) during PvP...

Mighty Chudan is a must...

amasuriel

IronCrystal wrote: »

I'ts not very good for DK tanks because the 2pc is the exact same as spike armor. Anything that gives major resolve and major ward won't stack with chudan's.

Templars have channeled focus which also provides the same buffs.

I can't think of nightblade or sorc abilities which provide major ward and major resolve off the top of my head, so maybe its more useful for those classes.

Sorc gets it from Hurricane / Boundless Storm. Nightblade gets it from passives when casting certain abilities, but with a shorter duration, so all classes have access.

The main value of Chudan's to an actual tank is having a free bar slot / not having to bar swap as much / saving some magicka for more group utility like igneous shields. Considering tank options for monster helms are pretty meh (Lord Warden or Blood Spawn being the only other options, both quite situational), it's not the worst thing.

Bowser

reesenorman wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

What you might call a selfish tank, healers will lovingly call a low-maintenance tank.

And next patch when everyone has to do lunar, you might want the extra slot for purge ^^

Or you know actually, use my back bar. And I think the extra 12% healing received from using Hardened armor warrants using it, especially in such a heal heavy fight. As well, all you need to be low maintenance is to go heavy into block cost. And even in the next update we will be able to sustain just fine, just got to not spam skills unnecessarily.

You claim sustain will be fine, however YOU (the guy who acts like hes the best and know it all tank) cant even sustain the axes in vAA without requesting shards every 15 seconds, sturdy real good hey man.

I tank the axes with one hand while throwing caltrops and spamming vigor without needing shards or bar swaps.

rustic_potato

Lol. This thread has been necroed. Congrats Limitless on your clear! That was a hilarious video @Bowser .

@paulsimonps you are clearly out of your depth here. You can theory craft all you want but unless you can execute it in practice you will be considered a potato. Feel free to upload a video where you ran your BiS build and helped your group more than what @Bowser did.

META - most effective tactic available. Effectiveness is based on perception. What you perceive as effective might be considered useless by others.

Danksta

IronCrystal wrote: »

I'ts not very good for DK tanks because the 2pc is the exact same as spike armor. Anything that gives major resolve and major ward won't stack with chudan's.

Templars have channeled focus which also provides the same buffs.

I can't think of nightblade or sorc abilities which provide major ward and major resolve off the top of my head, so maybe its more useful for those classes.

Lightning form for sorcs and NBs get theirs through a passive.