That Troll king

zuto40 · March 2017

I'm a 1vXer and i heard troll king was broken so i hopped onto this bandwagon hoping to be able to slay even more cp 10's at once but im finding the healing to be well, average at best, i noticed engine guardian provided more utility and more healing when it procd the heal, ive got 2k regen when troll king pops so ive come to 2 conclusions, 1 everyone sucks and troll king isnt op, or 2 its cause im not using it correctly, i wear medium armor and run on a stamblade(not gankblade) solo in open world, so which is it and if im not using it correctly how to i abuse it correctly?

LeifErickson · April 2017

I think people like to use gold food or tri drink to increase the effectiveness. Also on Stamplar or cp allocation you can proc it without even doing anything. It is very efficient, cannot be debuffed (actually it can apparently), and hits people around you. It seems pretty strong to me.

Minalan · April 2017

Major vitality pot
Plenty of CP into healing done and received
Troll king
Vigor/Rally as usual
Keep on dodge rolling

Have fun. Your combined healing ticks can outdo most incoming damage.

olsborg · April 2017

Its strong af, basicly 100% uptime and hpregen cant be countered by other ppl.

Solariken · April 2017

If you want to take your cancer to the next level, use Viper+Incap for your burst and craft yourself some heavy Orgnum's Scales to skyrocket Troll King's efficacy and send that HP recovery stat to the moon.

usmcjdking · April 2017

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zuto40 · April 2017

LeifErickson wrote: »

I think people like to use gold food or tri drink to increase the effectiveness. Also on Stamplar or cp allocation you can proc it without even doing anything. It is very efficient, cannot be debuffed (actually it can apparently), and hits people around you. It seems pretty strong to me.

i'm a stamblade

Solariken wrote: »

If you want to take your cancer to the next level, use Viper+Incap for your burst and craft yourself some heavy Orgnum's Scales to skyrocket Troll King's efficacy and send that HP recovery stat to the moon.

incap sucks and im a stamblade

usmcjdking wrote: »

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IxSTALKERxI · April 2017

It doesn't scale well as you fight more and more opponents. It is very strong in 1v1 duels though or fighting 2 or 3 opponents. Won't do much if a zerg is beating on you, you're better off with pirate skeleton at that point.

Vaoh · April 2017

Troll King is a fantastic set in both PvE and PvP. Don't underestimate those free heals lol. If you're a Vampire you won't benefit as much, but even then it will be quite powerful.

You get the equivalent of 12 Health Recovery bonuses from this set's proc, and it can usually be kept at a 100% uptime in combat plus you can give it to your allies, pairing well with Vigor, Purifying Ritual, amd many other AoE heals.

In PvE it is amazing for an offtank. In PvP it is amazing for both group and solo play alike.

LeifErickson · April 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I think people like to use gold food or tri drink to increase the effectiveness. Also on Stamplar or cp allocation you can proc it without even doing anything. It is very efficient, cannot be debuffed (actually it can apparently), and hits people around you. It seems pretty strong to me.

i'm a stamblade

Solariken wrote: »

If you want to take your cancer to the next level, use Viper+Incap for your burst and craft yourself some heavy Orgnum's Scales to skyrocket Troll King's efficacy and send that HP recovery stat to the moon.

incap sucks and im a stamblade

usmcjdking wrote: »

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yeet

What I said applies to stamblade and incap doesn't suck.

Chair · April 2017

I use it on my stamblade just because its basically a 2nd vigour at this point 2.4k health rec its really strong when using shadow image well and eternal hunt etc and just playing well on a stamblade will make this set even stronger, yes its brokenly good on the tanky builds who arent vamp due to their high rec but on a stamblade the set can truly shine/be abused isn't that right @Grumble_and_Grunt.

Jitterbug · April 2017

On my mag blade I use strife and mutagen which both have (or should have) a 100% uptime in combat. This paired with Troll King makes it so I can heal up passively during 1 (maybe 2) cloaks. The difference between vamp/no vamp is really small as we're talking 1800 vs 2000 regen (or something to that effect).
An added bonus for me is that mutagen also effect team mates and it's cool to see troll king proc all around you. "proc" is wrong I guess. Activate.

Yuke · April 2017

Back when i was still playing, Trollking gave me 3800 healthreg on my Orcblade after Pot use.

Derra · April 2017

How to use trollking correctly:

Have a pot active that buffs healthrecovery.
Have a race that buffs healthrecovery.
Have a class with passives increasing healthrecovery.

These should give you anywhere between 50-70% increase on your healthrec (the trollking procc alone should net you ~2500 healthrec).
Coupled with goldfood and baserec and CPs you should see between 3500 and 4500 healthrecovery (on medium armor builds).

Btw. has anyone else noticed that ZOS sneakily changed defile CP to be multiplicative again instead of being an additive value? Way to go.

Katinas · April 2017

The most overrated garbage set for PVE. 2% Healing Done is about the worst one piece trait for any outgoing healing, worse than Spell Damage/Weapon Damage or Max Magicka/Max Stamina. You have no idea what you are doing if you use it in PVE content.

Chair · April 2017

Katinas wrote: »

The most overrated garbage set for PVE. 2% Healing Done is about the worst one piece trait for any outgoing healing, worse than Spell Damage/Weapon Damage or Max Magicka/Max Stamina. You have no idea what you are doing if you use it in PVE content.

*Cough* Alliance War tab

Ragnaroek93 · April 2017

I don't see the issue with Troll King too. I don't have many issues with people who use Troll King and I don't think it's more unbalanced than Skeleton Pirate or Bloodspawn. Proc sets are far worse in my opinion because you don't have to do any work at all to get cheesy kills. I'd rather fight someone who uses Troll King than someone who uses Skoria or Selene.

Either nerf Troll King and half of the 2p sets with it together or leave it as it is.

NightbladeMechanics · April 2017

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I don't see the issue with Troll King too. I don't have many issues with people who use Troll King and I don't think it's more unbalanced than Skeleton Pirate or Bloodspawn. Proc sets are far worse in my opinion because you don't have to do any work at all to get cheesy kills. I'd rather fight someone who uses Troll King than someone who uses Skoria or Selene.

Either nerf Troll King and half of the 2p sets with it together or leave it as it is.

The way I see it, getting kills with a damage proc set and having your life saved by a defensive proc set are equally cheesy.

But that's the game we're playing.

Arthg · April 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I don't see the issue with Troll King too. I don't have many issues with people who use Troll King and I don't think it's more unbalanced than Skeleton Pirate or Bloodspawn. Proc sets are far worse in my opinion because you don't have to do any work at all to get cheesy kills. I'd rather fight someone who uses Troll King than someone who uses Skoria or Selene.

Either nerf Troll King and half of the 2p sets with it together or leave it as it is.

The way I see it, getting kills with a damage proc set and having your life saved by a defensive proc set are equally cheesy.

But that's the game we're playing.

I disagree.
It's not the same level of cheese.
TK requires you to be actively healing to proc, *and* your health needs to be under 60% while doing so.
With the massive burst damage a lot of players can pull off, this means you need to be really careful to keep those heal ticks up all the time.
IMHO it's one of the least cheesy proc sets because of the double condition - you can't sit on your thumbs and wait for it to proc as easily as the other proc sets. You have to be active and vigilant to some extent.

zuto40 · April 2017

LeifErickson wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I think people like to use gold food or tri drink to increase the effectiveness. Also on Stamplar or cp allocation you can proc it without even doing anything. It is very efficient, cannot be debuffed (actually it can apparently), and hits people around you. It seems pretty strong to me.

i'm a stamblade

Solariken wrote: »

If you want to take your cancer to the next level, use Viper+Incap for your burst and craft yourself some heavy Orgnum's Scales to skyrocket Troll King's efficacy and send that HP recovery stat to the moon.

incap sucks and im a stamblade

usmcjdking wrote: »

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yeet

What I said applies to stamblade and incap doesn't suck.

you started talking about stamplar, and no incap is trash, multiple chances to miss, can be blocked, dodged, and sometimes it doesnt even fire

Derra · April 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I don't see the issue with Troll King too. I don't have many issues with people who use Troll King and I don't think it's more unbalanced than Skeleton Pirate or Bloodspawn. Proc sets are far worse in my opinion because you don't have to do any work at all to get cheesy kills. I'd rather fight someone who uses Troll King than someone who uses Skoria or Selene.

Either nerf Troll King and half of the 2p sets with it together or leave it as it is.

The way I see it, getting kills with a damage proc set and having your life saved by a defensive proc set are equally cheesy.

But that's the game we're playing.

The main issue i have with the games defensive sets is that they reinforce the only burst meta - because essentially you have to kill someone wearing malubeth, trollking, pirate fast enough so they can not make use of their defensive set.

It would be a lot more interesting if for instance pirate only activated if you took more than 50% hp dmg in one second (or 30 to 40% in one hit) or something like that.
In this process making them useful to combat instaburst but undesireable on tank builds.

Can´t think of sth useful for trollking though (maybe activate on heals when someone is healdebuffed).

zyk · April 2017

I would prefer ESO AvA with only crafted armor and weapon sets. Away with all cheese!

Durham · April 2017

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I don't see the issue with Troll King too. I don't have many issues with people who use Troll King and I don't think it's more unbalanced than Skeleton Pirate or Bloodspawn. Proc sets are far worse in my opinion because you don't have to do any work at all to get cheesy kills. I'd rather fight someone who uses Troll King than someone who uses Skoria or Selene.

Either nerf Troll King and half of the 2p sets with it together or leave it as it is.

I agree in PVP a ton of people run Vamp doesn't that really affect Troll King?

Derra · April 2017

zyk wrote: »

I would prefer ESO AvA with only crafted armor and weapon sets. Away with all cheese!

Would favor magica builds tremendously imo.

Domander · April 2017

Either heavy armor for the extra health regen, or as a medium armor nightblade using dodge and cloak will let the regn make you hard to stop.

I wouldn't call it broken, it's good if you build around health regen, also a great healer set.

Soris · April 2017

I'd drop wearing defensive sets if "insert instant hitting 20k+ combo jombos" removed.

LeifErickson · April 2017

Soris wrote: »

I'd drop wearing defensive sets if "insert instant hitting 20k+ combo jombos" removed.

Except troll king doesn't prevent that. And what combo hits you that hard other than a gank?

Lexxypwns · April 2017

Troll king, while actively taking damage, has a near 100% uptime since it can be procced, on you and allies, without cooldown. The real beauty of troll king isn't just what it adds to you, but the synergy it has in groups and the fact that it can be used effectively by virtually all classes without changing anything that you normally do in a fight.

There's no other useful defensive set that procs on your actions and can be relied upon to have high uptime 1v1 or outnumbered and there's nothing in the game that let's you provide so much pvp group utility for only 2 pieces of gear.

The reason I don't think it shines as much on medium armor stamblade is because often times you're cloaking and using the guaranteed crit for a fat burst heal. Where it really shines is on builds with several HoTs running; rally, vigor, blood craze, surge, ritual, etc. In these setups, you'll proc troll king the second someone burst you, have tons of HoTs and the healing from troll king making you a tanky animal.

Izaki · April 2017

Hey guys lets all drop Incap cause some dude says its trash when in fact its one of the strongest ultimates in the game.

zuto40 · April 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Hey guys lets all drop Incap cause some dude says its trash when in fact its one of the strongest ultimates in the game.

how about this, i'll switch to eu, i'll make a stamblade, then we can duel for 500 mil, i'll use dawnbreaker and you use incap, and when your incap is dodged, blocked, and half of it misses i'll laugh and break the dawn right on your silly little nightblades face

Izaki · April 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Hey guys lets all drop Incap cause some dude says its trash when in fact its one of the strongest ultimates in the game.

how about this, i'll switch to eu, i'll make a stamblade, then we can duel for 500 mil, i'll use dawnbreaker and you use incap, and when your incap is dodged, blocked, and half of it misses i'll laugh and break the dawn right on your silly little nightblades face

Sure.
Doubt your DBoS will do much damage because its an AoE attack and I use Deadly Cloak along with some other pretty nice mitigation things.