Werewolf could be good if you wanted to back bar slot the ultimate for bonus stam regen (only applies to back bar). Some people run vamp on their stam DK's for the regen, however with the downsides of vamp it's not really viable to stamina classes.
Werewolf. The burst you can get from this is incredible. And you are invincible during transformation. So if someone starts a destro ult you can throw vigor up transform and almost take 0 damage while the ultimate is up. A lot of people don't know how to fight one either. So the aggressiveness of a werewolf will make people run. I've been one for about two years and alsways have it slotted.
Not the best by any means but here is a video I made the other day. 2vX. You will need LOS.
https://youtu.be/KKzZIEPwaN8
paulsimonps wrote: »
The undeath passive is really only useful for DPS in PvP, in PvE if you get low enough to the point that it starts kicking in you are most likely already dead. Its 33% yes but the full 33% only kicks in when you are at less than 1% HP. The undeath passive gives you 1% mitigation per 1.5% HP below 50% HP.
WalksonGraves wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
The undeath passive is really only useful for DPS in PvP, in PvE if you get low enough to the point that it starts kicking in you are most likely already dead. Its 33% yes but the full 33% only kicks in when you are at less than 1% HP. The undeath passive gives you 1% mitigation per 1.5% HP below 50% HP.
My vamp tank strongly disagrees. With dr stacking it makes using invigorating drain to get back to 100% hp in 3 seconds easy to do since it's most effective at low hp.
Dps have too shallow a pool for it to make a difference, you need max hp to get the most from it.
FloppyTouch wrote: »Werewolf. The burst you can get from this is incredible. And you are invincible during transformation. So if someone starts a destro ult you can throw vigor up transform and almost take 0 damage while the ultimate is up. A lot of people don't know how to fight one either. So the aggressiveness of a werewolf will make people run. I've been one for about two years and alsways have it slotted.
Not the best by any means but here is a video I made the other day. 2vX. You will need LOS.
https://youtu.be/KKzZIEPwaN8
Nice clip!
paulsimonps wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
The undeath passive is really only useful for DPS in PvP, in PvE if you get low enough to the point that it starts kicking in you are most likely already dead. Its 33% yes but the full 33% only kicks in when you are at less than 1% HP. The undeath passive gives you 1% mitigation per 1.5% HP below 50% HP.
My vamp tank strongly disagrees. With dr stacking it makes using invigorating drain to get back to 100% hp in 3 seconds easy to do since it's most effective at low hp.
Dps have too shallow a pool for it to make a difference, you need max hp to get the most from it.
I'm a vamp tank too, I meant for DPS its not that big of a deal to get Undeath in PvE and for example in vHRC top boss being Stage 3-4 can be a real PitA. Their HP is usually low enough that they will be killed by most things that brings them down there anyway. The mitigation only kicks in after you go down below to that HP. If you are at 75% and you take a hit that gets you to 10% the mitigation will not effect that one hit at all, since it only recalculates the mitigation before the damage is taken. Also while there are good times to use Invigorating drain there are other times where you can't use it. Its a channel so it drops your block, useless on vHRC Warrior, vSO Mantikora and Serpent, vAA Axes. So yea Vampirism is great for PvE in stage 2 but you don't need to go beyond that, and for vHRC I highly recommend to feed before going in there if you go top side, or if your team is terrible at interrupting flame shapers in general.
paulsimonps wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
The undeath passive is really only useful for DPS in PvP, in PvE if you get low enough to the point that it starts kicking in you are most likely already dead. Its 33% yes but the full 33% only kicks in when you are at less than 1% HP. The undeath passive gives you 1% mitigation per 1.5% HP below 50% HP.
My vamp tank strongly disagrees. With dr stacking it makes using invigorating drain to get back to 100% hp in 3 seconds easy to do since it's most effective at low hp.
Dps have too shallow a pool for it to make a difference, you need max hp to get the most from it.
I'm a vamp tank too, I meant for DPS its not that big of a deal to get Undeath in PvE and for example in vHRC top boss being Stage 3-4 can be a real PitA. Their HP is usually low enough that they will be killed by most things that brings them down there anyway. The mitigation only kicks in after you go down below to that HP. If you are at 75% and you take a hit that gets you to 10% the mitigation will not effect that one hit at all, since it only recalculates the mitigation before the damage is taken. Also while there are good times to use Invigorating drain there are other times where you can't use it. Its a channel so it drops your block, useless on vHRC Warrior, vSO Mantikora and Serpent, vAA Axes. So yea Vampirism is great for PvE in stage 2 but you don't need to go beyond that, and for vHRC I highly recommend to feed before going in there if you go top side, or if your team is terrible at interrupting flame shapers in general.
Lets also not forget execute on vAA hm where I've seen many magicka builds not feed and get 1 ticked by the damage.
As a PvE tank, I'm stage 4 vampire all the time. You will never go werewolf or put it on your bar. The decision of to vampire or not to vampire is up to the user, I just choose to never feed.
paulsimonps wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
The undeath passive is really only useful for DPS in PvP, in PvE if you get low enough to the point that it starts kicking in you are most likely already dead. Its 33% yes but the full 33% only kicks in when you are at less than 1% HP. The undeath passive gives you 1% mitigation per 1.5% HP below 50% HP.
My vamp tank strongly disagrees. With dr stacking it makes using invigorating drain to get back to 100% hp in 3 seconds easy to do since it's most effective at low hp.
Dps have too shallow a pool for it to make a difference, you need max hp to get the most from it.
I'm a vamp tank too, I meant for DPS its not that big of a deal to get Undeath in PvE and for example in vHRC top boss being Stage 3-4 can be a real PitA. Their HP is usually low enough that they will be killed by most things that brings them down there anyway. The mitigation only kicks in after you go down below to that HP. If you are at 75% and you take a hit that gets you to 10% the mitigation will not effect that one hit at all, since it only recalculates the mitigation before the damage is taken. Also while there are good times to use Invigorating drain there are other times where you can't use it. Its a channel so it drops your block, useless on vHRC Warrior, vSO Mantikora and Serpent, vAA Axes. So yea Vampirism is great for PvE in stage 2 but you don't need to go beyond that, and for vHRC I highly recommend to feed before going in there if you go top side, or if your team is terrible at interrupting flame shapers in general.
Lets also not forget execute on vAA hm where I've seen many magicka builds not feed and get 1 ticked by the damage.
As a PvE tank, I'm stage 4 vampire all the time. You will never go werewolf or put it on your bar. The decision of to vampire or not to vampire is up to the user, I just choose to never feed.
I never realized, that's fire damage? Never really had anyone die there but I guess on HM it would be a PitA to have a DPS with stage 4 Vamp on it.