Turelus wrote: »

Rich said on ESO live they're not happy that resource management has basically been removed because of CP.

They want to try and get back to a point where management of resources is part of the games tactical play (it was one of the original game design points).

He said nothing is final yet, it's all in testing.

We also don't know if what other changes to gear or content will happen along side this, until we have the full picture it's hard to say if it's good or bad.

Also writing this in a bus bombing down a county road and bouncing about is horrible.

How can people not understand that resource management is still a thing?

1. Raids still have to provide high support for their magicka dps characters (esp. MDKS) which is why sets like Worm and skills like mystic orb, elemental drain, luminous shards, and radiant aura are so popular.
2. The DPS themselves still need to keep their resources up by slotting skills like channeled focus and using potions to give themselves 20% increased regen for the whole fight.
3. Regen food is not worthless; I still run witch mother's in trials generally because even with full raid buffs I struggle to sustain if Im using blue food.

I don't understand what they're talking about that "resource management can be ignored" it makes no sense. Raids run countless buffs to help people keep their resources and ZoS wants to just add more that is required which will bring down DPS significantly and make fights that have dps gates like Varlariel uncompletable for certain groups?

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »

If this will happen .. elitist players will become more elitists.

The vet trials will be only for elitists.

The rest of the players base will stuck on the normal ones.

vMA also will become harder.

That's it .

Nerfing players is the worst decision ever made by a mmo developer . Too bad, because ESO is great game ...but ZOS don't play their own game..


English is not my native language.

And that is a bad thing... How?

Begone entitled snowflake who needs every hard content handed over to you on a silver platter, it's not like 99% of the rest of the game is a steamroll, no, it all has to be - just for you. Sick of your lot already. If you don't put the effort in, you DON'T deserve the achievements, gear, mementos associated with said hard content. Simples.

And English is not my native language too.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with vet trials being hard. However, only a tiny fraction of the playerbase has ever been able to complete a vet trial, let alone on hard mode. Any change that shrinks this population even more is not a positive change. Especially considering that the devs explicitly said that they wanted to raise the floor and lower the ceiling.

What I don't understand is why "The overwhelming majority of the playerbase can't complete this content, so please don't make it even harder than it already is" gets taken as "I want all of the vet trial achievements right now, and I don't want to have to work for them," because that is not what people are saying. There are plenty of players who are more than willing to work towards the ability to complete vet trials. But I guarantee that a lot fewer people will be willing to work for that if devs suddenly move the goal posts much further away.

I haven't even completed normal Maelstrom yet. As a casual player, the moment I hit a frustrating wall, I just quit playing that content. I just want to have fun and don't give a darn about their "mechanics" and nitpicky resource management they want to implement.

Yo_Donno wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Rich said on ESO live they're not happy that resource management has basically been removed because of CP.

They want to try and get back to a point where management of resources is part of the games tactical play (it was one of the original game design points).

He said nothing is final yet, it's all in testing.

We also don't know if what other changes to gear or content will happen along side this, until we have the full picture it's hard to say if it's good or bad.

Also writing this in a bus bombing down a county road and bouncing about is horrible.

How can people not understand that resource management is still a thing?

1. Raids still have to provide high support for their magicka dps characters (esp. MDKS) which is why sets like Worm and skills like mystic orb, elemental drain, luminous shards, and radiant aura are so popular.
2. The DPS themselves still need to keep their resources up by slotting skills like channeled focus and using potions to give themselves 20% increased regen for the whole fight.
3. Regen food is not worthless; I still run witch mother's in trials generally because even with full raid buffs I struggle to sustain if Im using blue food.

I don't understand what they're talking about that "resource management can be ignored" it makes no sense. Raids run countless buffs to help people keep their resources and ZoS wants to just add more that is required which will bring down DPS significantly and make fights that have dps gates like Varlariel uncompletable for certain groups?

In short, raid groups has understand that resources is an group thing. its far better to go all out damage and have the raid buffs give resources. It would be an small issue to have some dps provide orbs too, far better than sustain builds.
Not sure how this works for stamina builds in raids, is this even discussed?

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Maximusx13 wrote: »

I'm looking forward to the change myself. Resource management is nonexistent. PvE mechanics are mostly ignored. It needs balancing in PvP as well. I would like to see medium and light armor become an option in PvP as well. Heavy armor is to overpowered at the moment. There are more issues that need addressing too. At the moment the game is in easy mode.

No, it isn't. DPS characters cannot sustain their resources on their own if they're wearing BiS gear, so the healers slot several abilities (Elemental Drain, Luminous Shards, Necrotic Orb), and frequently use an entire 5-piece armor set (Worm Cult), just so that the DPS characters have enough resources to carry out a fight. Resource management is not nonexistent. It's usually just handled by the healers instead of the DPS, so that the DPS can throw everything into offense, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot going into it.

Yeah I know about all the buffs and the last 3 or 4 trial runs I've been in there was so much DPS I didn't go below 50% on my resources. Never even seen the first shard or orb. Didn't need them. Especially at higher cp levels. Oh and I'm running BiS slot too. So yeah nonexistent. Looking forward to the change and players might have to actually play then.

and all the crybabys suddenly come out of their caves... adjust and learn. newbz

Vanryth wrote: »

and all the crybabys suddenly come out of their caves... adjust and learn. newbz

You have either been living under an bridge the last month or you are an obvious troll.

Duiwel wrote: »

Because they like breaking things.

No one ever told em: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"

this one has said it many times for three years, now.

zos specializes in fixing what isn't broken while what is truly broken remains unscathed.

altemriel wrote: »

The title says it, can someone pls explain me this non-sense change, ZOS is planning to do in June with Morrowind expansion?

It makes no sense....

You will reads lots of comments and arguments both for and against the change, but the bottom line is this:

1. Some players have no resource issues, or near infinite resources...read that as "some"
2. This means "some" players do have resource issues and have to build for / take into account resource regeneration
3. The proposed change will affect ALL players
4. Any time a rule / change is enacted that affects "everybody" because of "some" people, you have unfair implementation

Rather like punishing an entire classroom because one student acts out. Unjustifiable and indefensible. A very poor way to handle any problem.

So, is the proposed change appropriate: the answer is no. If you do not understand that answer, read 1 - 4 above again.
Will the change be implemented, very likely. Games, as well as life, is full of examples of inappropriate rules and laws. Just because they are inappropriate hasn't stopped them before and probably will not stop them now.

Apparently there is a developer that is not happy with how resource management is working out for those players outlined in number 1 above. So, my response is: create a fix that affects the players / situation at hand, without affecting the players who are not having a problem. Or, perhaps the issue is more fundamental than that.

Is the goal of this game to make the developer happy, or the customers happy?

Quigster wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

The title says it, can someone pls explain me this non-sense change, ZOS is planning to do in June with Morrowind expansion?

It makes no sense....

You will reads lots of comments and arguments both for and against the change, but the bottom line is this:

1. Some players have no resource issues, or near infinite resources...read that as "some"
2. This means "some" players do have resource issues and have to build for / take into account resource regeneration
3. The proposed change will affect ALL players
4. Any time a rule / change is enacted that affects "everybody" because of "some" people, you have unfair implementation

Rather like punishing an entire classroom because one student acts out. Unjustifiable and indefensible. A very poor way to handle any problem.

So, is the proposed change appropriate: the answer is no. If you do not understand that answer, read 1 - 4 above again.
Will the change be implemented, very likely. Games, as well as life, is full of examples of inappropriate rules and laws. Just because they are inappropriate hasn't stopped them before and probably will not stop them now.

Apparently there is a developer that is not happy with how resource management is working out for those players outlined in number 1 above. So, my response is: create a fix that affects the players / situation at hand, without affecting the players who are not having a problem. Or, perhaps the issue is more fundamental than that.

Is the goal of this game to make the developer happy, or the customers happy?

Christ.. Stop playing the victim card. The developers set the criteria for the game. If they feel sustain via cp is too generous then they change it. The top 1 percent (ridiculous hyperbole so i wont humor it), rather.... the solid, knowledgeable players are least effected by this change not because of any kind of crutch but because it is for the very reason that they adjust their approach within the games established boundries to remain competitive.

The competitive fighting game community often uses a phrase that i find entirely accurate in most genres and especially here. "being a scrub is a state of mind not a skill level". Strong players look inside and see what changes are needed to best take on the difficult challenges that the devs produce and refine.

The point is this, if you are dependant on cp for sustain on top of sustain glyphs and sustain sets then you are not likely a player that is pushing numbers that would be expected of you in a veteran trial which is where these changes are going to effect players the most i.e not you. And on the flip side, if the sustain cp changes result in you not being able to play effectively outside of truly difficult content then im sorry but that is absolutely a learn to play issue.

So get over it. Balancing from the top can be alienating for some but it establishes the strongest foundation. Developers are often faced with the dilemma of hitting that sweet spot of accessible and challenging. Your sensationalism in your previous posts suggest that it is heavily skewed in favor of the "top 1%" when in reality that is hardly the case and you should be looking at how you can improve as a player and meet them halfway.

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They're removing them because it makes people OP. Something that the original CP developer didn't care because she thought it was "aaaaweeesomeee!". But Rich/Wrobel disagree now.

I'm OP, you need a fire ballista and few mag dks to kill me but why didn't just Zenimax nerfed our accounts? WHY THE REST HAVE TO PAY IT.

Why do everyone attach zos representatives in every thread? Can we just link them to absolutely important ones so they can maybe read them?

So, its whatever when they do this. But it will just serve to make the hard nearly unbeatable content for some like VMA VMOL and the like that much harder. They said they wanted to raise the floor and lower the cieling, but with this they are gonna raise the floor right past the cieling....

The big groups will be FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE. My group will adapt so this just screws with low CP less experienced players/raiders/pvpers more than anything really.