Civilian clothing should not be allowed in combat

EldritchPenguin · March 2017

Cêltic421 wrote: »

Male orcs running around in wedding dresses. I feel you on that. Clothes should be gender specific.
This is a fantasy game, not suppose be realistic. I wear a suit on my Templar Healer. Suit is all cloth and my gear is 7 light. Is that realistic enough for you? It's better than wearing a silly robe. I don't see anything wrong with wear clothing during comBat.

But look how sexy my dark elf looks in the wedding suit...

And if you don't agree, which is fine, then consider this: I spent my hard-earned money on the wedding suit, and I don't have a single male character. If they were to change it so that I suddenly couldn't use an item I paid for, I would be quite an unhappy customer. I imagine the people who like to play fat orcs in wedding dresses would feel the same way.

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Cêltic421 wrote: »

Male orcs running around in wedding dresses. I feel you on that. Clothes should be gender specific.
This is a fantasy game, not suppose be realistic. I wear a suit on my Templar Healer. Suit is all cloth and my gear is 7 light. Is that realistic enough for you? It's better than wearing a silly robe. I don't see anything wrong with wear clothing during comBat.

But look how sexy my dark elf looks in the wedding suit...

And if you don't agree, which is fine, then consider this: I spent my hard-earned money on the wedding suit, and I don't have a single male character. If they were to change it so that I suddenly couldn't use an item I paid for, I would be quite an unhappy customer. I imagine the people who like to play fat orcs in wedding dresses would feel the same way.

Hey now ! Looking good .

laksikus · March 2017

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Fantasy should stay true to its own Lore. But if you like ESO to be like Terry Pratchett instead of Tolkien, then we just have to agree to disagree. The majority wins in either case, because ESO follows the money, the consumer.

However, banning civilian clothing during combat is only a quick fix, because the main problem is that the devs often create costumes and armor sets which looks like crap.

Terry Pratchett was one of the most inspireing and influentional authers of the past 20 years.
Not only did he manage to make his own World with races, religions and politics. He weaved in real world topics like a true Master. You wont find another author like him and Tolkien is a sad match for him.

That you compare people using costumes with Pratchett is highly offending, and totally Wrong.

But you are right in the part where a terry Pratchett eso would be alot better and entertaining than a Tolkien eso

imnotanother · March 2017

I don't get mad, in real life, when I see people wearing silly fashions...why should anyone care about a digital avatar?

Everyone seeks attention in someway. Some wear silly outfits - others get on forums and kick and stomp their feet.
To each their own.

KochDerDamonen · March 2017

>lele xd guise u nerds rn't kewl, i know wuts kewl

I'd rather fight (along side, too) orcs in dresses than anyone with pauldrons the size of their own head. Then again, we have Mighty Chudan *gak*. The again, some people like Mighty Chudan. Ultimately what someone's wearing affects me roughly as much as local politics in a rural backwood of a foreign country.

When you think of 'cool' you think of dudes playing black/white dressup and a car? This is either a troll post, or... well, sad. A sad cry for help.

Arthg · March 2017

On the contrary, these are well-known combat tactics.
Wear ridiculous garish outfits to get under the enemies' skin and distract them from actually fighting.
Now go get that duchess gown!

FuriousStar · March 2017

@Arthg Mmhmm, this is why I am searching for a kilt in game!!

*Yes, I know, I know.. kilts have more than one reason for being worn. But there's nothing more scarier than a man in a plaid "skirt" and a painted face running full force at you!!

BigBragg · March 2017

@FuriousStar

The Ladies from Hell were nothing to be scoffed at for sure.

Jitterbug · March 2017

So... where do you get those pink shorts I keep hearing about?

ChaosWotan · March 2017

Those criticising the arguments I present here only prove that they either got bad taste or doesn't care about it. Alternatively, they have not carefully read the posts I have written. Me writing this is arrogant, but aesthetics, unlike ethics, is not a democracy.

Gilvoth · March 2017

i hate the way my forced armor looks, i would love to have my own crafted armor and show it off but the dropped sets are better and i cover them up with the dark brotherhood costume.
please don't take that away from me.

BigBragg · March 2017

@ChaosWotan

People disagreeing with you is far from evidence of them have poor taste. I promise you there are some here who an excellent eye for detail and design. It just simply doesn't coincide with what you find appealing.

Saturnana · March 2017

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@Insane

The point of this thread is to ask ESO to stop creating "funny" gear, before the game becomes a game of clowns.

I get your point, I just don't think of all these items as funny or silly (nor do I think they make ESO a game of clowns).

Sure, a big hairy male Orc in a wedding dress might look a bit out-of-place, but the wedding outfits are there for the people who'd like to use them at the Shrines of Mara. Same goes for the numerous costumes you can find in-game or buy with crowns - they're meant for people to stylize their characters even more. Some may 'abuse' these to create.. unorthodox characters and combinations to say the least, but we all know there's a whole world of crazy and quirkiness in the ES universe! I've seen the NPCs do (or wear) enough weird *** to not be surprised by the real players anymore. xD

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2017

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Those criticising the arguments I present here only prove that they either got bad taste or doesn't care about it. Alternatively, they have not carefully read the posts I have written. Me writing this is arrogant, but aesthetics, unlike ethics, is not a democracy.

Are you going to come after our crowns to build the wall around Cyrodiil to keep the plebs out?

greylox · March 2017

If anything it's more realistic that people wear what they want...who's to say that there isn't a mentally unhinged, battle scarred orc that gets his jolly's smashing people over the head in a dress spun from the finest silk by nubile virgins lol.

smithist · March 2017

Monty Python as the height of comedy, seriously? I don't want to resort to lazy ad hominem but this is like neckbeard 101 *** man.

For someone so enlightened your peace of mind sure does seem heavily dependent on externalities

seaef · March 2017

Thank you for your concern.

From this point forward, I'm going to run around in my towel, crown, and a flashing atronach pet by my side.

I eagerly await your emotional breakdown when I run past you.

Jitterbug · March 2017

Didn't Monty Python, like, invent men in dresses?
(I know they really didn't so no need to go on wiki)

mtwiggz · March 2017

ListerJMC wrote: »

It's not "realistic" to shoot lightning out of your hands, ride giant cats, have horses that appear out of nowhere, port via wayshrines, etc., either. You can't really tell people what they can and can't wear in a game which is fantasy and not realistic by nature.

My advice would be to pretend that those players are using alteration and shielding spells, that would be a legitimate possibility.

You forgot my personal favorite, materialize giant siege engines from thin air!

WalksonGraves · March 2017

If I can't pvp as a pretty pink princess I don't see the point.

laksikus · March 2017

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Those criticising the arguments I present here only prove that they either got bad taste or doesn't care about it. Alternatively, they have not carefully read the posts I have written. Me writing this is arrogant, but aesthetics, unlike ethics, is not a democracy.

I have totally read what you said. And I disagree with you. So everybody that doesnt agree with you is ignorant and Wrong just cos he has a different mind.
Must be a pretty small World where you live. With one total truth, and no opinions allowed

DragonBound · March 2017

ChaosWotan wrote: »

ESO is starting to look like a bad taste party. Male orcs in white wedding dresses, men in pink shorts, and now many players running around with a silly crown that looks like a cheap toy found within a box of cereals. And let's not forget the chef, jester and dinner party costumes. It is not realistic that clothes like that are used in combat. It's like BF1 should let soldiers dress in a bikini during combat.

Now it's obvious that ESO is catering to those who think that a game should be "ironic", a bit "hilarious" and "LOL", but if ESO wants to go down that path, please create gear that is actually funny, with the same quality as Monty Python, instead of turning combat into a clown act.

Yea I see what you mean no doubt, it is a little lore breaking but maybe it is because its the jester festival right now? Just saying this is a time for pink shorts and wedding dresses. But I can see why when your constantly seeing it at other times it is certainly lore breaking to others. But there should not be restrictions on costumes they would be less appealing if you cannot use them in combat. To me it is not lore breaking, I especially think the wedding dresses look beautiful on the female high elves and especially if its a healer I kind of think of her as an angel healing us because she is wearing pure white.

DragonBound · March 2017

Cêltic421 wrote: »

Male orcs running around in wedding dresses. I feel you on that. Clothes should be gender specific.
This is a fantasy game, not suppose be realistic. I wear a suit on my Templar Healer. Suit is all cloth and my gear is 7 light. Is that realistic enough for you? It's better than wearing a silly robe. I don't see anything wrong with wear clothing during comBat.

I think it has its place, it is suppose to be funny. Just do not over do it lol.

ChaosWotan · March 2017

@Jitterbug

As already written, MP was funny and creative 30-40 years ago. In the 80s, when I was a punk, I wore an orange female gown at high school, and a cowboy hat. That was "provocative" back then, in my country. Crossdressing today is just boring.

@laksikus

If people say that the Ronald McDonald's costume is as beautiful as a dress created by Christian Lacroix, yes, then it's "no opinions allowed".

ESO is the first game that is more than just a game. It actually got class. And it has potential to be art. But not if the devs like to be lame comedians instead.

If the devs create a Donald Duck costume, people will wear it, because it's "so hilarious", and then they will predictably try to refute criticism by arguying that those who say they don't like it are "paternalistic", "too serious" and probably "fascists" too.

The point is that looking like a fool in 2017 is not provocative. I basically don't care if people in my group want to look silly, because I will just focus on the battle instead. But it makes me more indifferent about the game, in the same way I'm not interested in reading a boring novel or celebrity gossip magazine.

KingYogi415 · March 2017

Don't hate on my jester costume!

Pleb

Jitterbug · March 2017

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@Jitterbug

As already written, MP was funny and creative 30-40 years ago. In the 80s, when I was a punk, I wore an orange female gown at high school, and a cowboy hat. That was "provocative" back then, in my country. Crossdressing today is just boring.

@laksikus

If people say that the Ronald McDonald's costume is as beautiful as a dress created by Christian Lacroix, yes, then it's "no opinions allowed".

ESO is the first game that is more than just a game. It actually got class. And it has potential to be art. But not if the devs like to be lame comedians instead.

If the devs create a Donald Duck costume, people will wear it, because it's "so hilarious", and then they will predictably try to refute criticism by arguying that those who say they don't like it are "paternalistic", "too serious" and probably "fascists" too.

The point is that looking like a fool in 2017 is not provocative. I basically don't care if people in my group want to look silly, because I will just focus on the battle instead. But it makes me more indifferent about the game, in the same way I'm not interested in reading a boring novel or celebrity gossip magazine.

Wow, good post!

max_only · March 2017

I hope all the insightfuls on the op are the ironic and sarcastic kind.

Maybe I have a superpower or a high tolerance but I find that I rarely notice people in wild and crazy outfits. I don't get annoyed easily because I have a high capacity for ignoring things.

That said, I personally only use cosmetics that fit my character and the lore because it's my preference. If it's someone's preference to use the Nord bathing towel or wedding dress then who am I to tell them not to?

That said, I do agree we need more lore friendly costumes, it certainly couldn't hurt.

Oakmontowls_ESO · March 2017

The lore explanation for this is probably glamors or illusion spells which would explain why you can have the stats of full heavy armor in a Nordic bath towel. However I would like some practical costumes like armored formal atire that looks like it would work both in a ceremony and in fighting the dark brotherhood assassin that crashed said ceremony. It also makes me wish that the grim harlequin motif was more of a dark jester style with some armor than what it is now which is basically every other style just with faces on it, either that or more nonsensical like armor of the great sheogorath would actually be.
As for the argument against burly orcs wearing wedding dresses, it's kind of implied in the description of the item that it is one of the intended uses of it.

Daemons_Bane · March 2017

So.. We have a player who hates on our costumes/skins, because they don't fit into his world and tastes? And therefore he wants them banished, resulting in a limitation of our enjoyment, and making something we could have paid for, worth less? Yeah.. no

KochDerDamonen · March 2017

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@Jitterbug

As already written, MP was funny and creative 30-40 years ago. In the 80s, when I was a punk, I wore an orange female gown at high school, and a cowboy hat. That was "provocative" back then, in my country. Crossdressing today is just boring.

@laksikus

If people say that the Ronald McDonald's costume is as beautiful as a dress created by Christian Lacroix, yes, then it's "no opinions allowed".

ESO is the first game that is more than just a game. It actually got class. And it has potential to be art. But not if the devs like to be lame comedians instead.

If the devs create a Donald Duck costume, people will wear it, because it's "so hilarious", and then they will predictably try to refute criticism by arguying that those who say they don't like it are "paternalistic", "too serious" and probably "fascists" too.

The point is that looking like a fool in 2017 is not provocative. I basically don't care if people in my group want to look silly, because I will just focus on the battle instead. But it makes me more indifferent about the game, in the same way I'm not interested in reading a boring novel or celebrity gossip magazine.

@ChaosWotan

Looks like Ronald Mcdonald to me.

Just, referring to ESO as "having class". Art? FIRST? I know I said troll post in my first response, but... troll post, lol.