Civilian clothing should not be allowed in combat

GawdSB

If you want realistic combat gear than Sorcs and NBs running around in heavy armor is unrealistic. They should for Sorc be in light armor because what sorcerer do you even see in heavy armor that's not conjured? And medium or light for NB because how can they be sneaky with loud heavy armor slowing them down.

Jesus you people complain about every little thing that has no actual effect on you.

The Uninvited

Artemiisia wrote: »

thats it, im buying the jester run, to much seriousness in the world

Go Kahlan! Do it!

ChaosWotan

@Katahdin

U care enough to write a reply. Should u not be in Africa saving starving children instead of wasting time in this forum?

@smithist

We live in a free democracy, but there are still codes and social rules set by different groups and subcultures. For example, different nightclubs have different dress codes. So not everything is allowed everywhere.

If the devs don't take ESO seriously, then the juvenile jokers in this game will not take it seriously either. As seen in many of the replies here.

As mentioned before, ESO has the potential to be first (major) game that will be respected by more people than just gamers. It's the first (well-known) game that can eventually take the step from being just entertainment to becoming as good as real art and literature, if ESO hires authors and artists who are ambitious enough to think outside the standard gaming box. But that will never happen if the game starts to look like a cheap and flashy supermarket.

I have friends who are authors and artists, but I can't recommend ESO to them if the devs think that silly is the new cool.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware that ESO is in the entertainment industry, craving money from the masses, but it's the first major game I have seen which actually got potential to take a step up from the gaming world. Will that ever happen? Not if the devs have the same attitude as the majority of those who have replied so far.

Browiseth

oh my lord

seriously?

you people will suggest anything to be able to control others

G0ku

ChaosWotan wrote: »

At least half of the people in here agree with you secrectly but either prefer to troll in forum or are in fear of getting ridiculed.

Some aspects of the game force ppl to wear costumes:

- all would look the same because meta gear comes as drop-sets therefor no choice of armor style
- ppl dont want you to know what you wear (tanks wear dresses, light armor ppl wearing heavy armor disguise)

Pathemavan

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@Katahdin

U care enough to write a reply. Should u not be in Africa saving starving children instead of wasting time in this forum?

@smithist

We live in a free democracy, but there are still codes and social rules set by different groups and subcultures. For example, different nightclubs have different dress codes. So not everything is allowed everywhere.

If the devs don't take ESO seriously, then the juvenile jokers in this game will not take it seriously either. As seen in many of the replies here.

As mentioned before, ESO has the potential to be first (major) game that will be respected by more people than just gamers. It's the first (well-known) game that can eventually take the step from being just entertainment to becoming as good as real art and literature, if ESO hires authors and artists who are ambitious enough to think outside the standard gaming box. But that will never happen if the game starts to look like a cheap and flashy supermarket.

I have friends who are authors and artists, but I can't recommend ESO to them if the devs think that silly is the new cool.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware that ESO is in the entertainment industry, craving money from the masses, but it's the first major game I have seen which actually got potential to take a step up from the gaming world. Will that ever happen? Not if the devs have the same attitude as the majority of those who have replied so far.

But by your own admission, the majority of the people replying here do not see a problem with the costumes as they currently are. What you're suggesting is to remove something that the majority either actively like, (or at lest don't mind,) to satisfy a semi-vocal minority. Also, the something that you want removed actively makes them money.

And what's their motivation for listening to you? A very "carrot or the stick" promise that ESO is either on the cusp of achieving true acknowledgement as a legitimate form of art - or is heading down the road of user abandonment and ruination.

And the outcome will be determined by silly costumes, in a serious game?

Appleblade

So why hang out with us horrible deplorables? Go and spend time with your wonderful artistic friends and leave us to our uncultured, juvenile doom.

You're getting these responses because people are tired of asinine, self important, "my s*** doesn't smell" attitudes from people who take ancillary things in life like a game pathologically too seriously. Is that clear and blunt enough for you?

Browiseth

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@Katahdin

U care enough to write a reply. Should u not be in Africa saving starving children instead of wasting time in this forum?

@smithist

We live in a free democracy, but there are still codes and social rules set by different groups and subcultures. For example, different nightclubs have different dress codes. So not everything is allowed everywhere.

If the devs don't take ESO seriously, then the juvenile jokers in this game will not take it seriously either. As seen in many of the replies here.

As mentioned before, ESO has the potential to be first (major) game that will be respected by more people than just gamers. It's the first (well-known) game that can eventually take the step from being just entertainment to becoming as good as real art and literature, if ESO hires authors and artists who are ambitious enough to think outside the standard gaming box. But that will never happen if the game starts to look like a cheap and flashy supermarket.

I have friends who are authors and artists, but I can't recommend ESO to them if the devs think that silly is the new cool.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware that ESO is in the entertainment industry, craving money from the masses, but it's the first major game I have seen which actually got potential to take a step up from the gaming world. Will that ever happen? Not if the devs have the same attitude as the majority of those who have replied so far.

also you're insane. eso is not nearly as important of a game as you've convinced yourself it is, and it by no means "has the potential" to be the "first" (major) game to be-

good god what are you even talking about

Katahdin

Appleblade wrote: »

So why hang out with us horrible deplorables? Go and spend time with your wonderful artistic friends and leave us to our uncultured, juvenile doom.

You're getting the these responses because people are tired of asinine, self important, "my s*** doesn't smell" attitudes from people who take ancillary things in life like a game pathologically too seriously. Is that clear and blunt enough for you?

QFT

@ChaosWotan

It's a damn game, supposed to be fun, not realistic. What digital, virtual world characters wear in game doesnt effect you in the slightest other than you are choosing to let it do so.

If you want realism, go play ARMA 3 or, better yet, shut the computer off and go outside instead of trying to find realism in a video game set in a fantasy realm.

ChaosWotan

@Pathemavan

A debate in an online forum will often get more replies from those who are opposed to the arguments of the OP, if the topic and forum are not essential in people's real life. And people in this forum is just a minority of those who have bought ESO.

I assume most of you are gamers, but many people outside the gaming culture will take mmos more seriously if devs have higher ambitions than just creating games that will interest trigger-happy teenagers.

@G0ku

Prefer not to assume too much about those who just read this forum, but the trick to easily endure smack talk is to realise that those who use this primitive tactic are just all bark, no bite. I find it amusing.

@Browiseth

When you read something, try not to interpret it in the worst way. I only said that ESO has potential.

rotaugen454

When in game, look at what everyone is wearing, and I mean everyone. That should give you an idea of how most people view it, regardless of what our personal views are.

Browiseth

@ChaosWotan what do you mean "interpret"? you said something pretentious about the apparent artistic importance of players wearing clothes that you don't like on their characters that is supposedly integral to video games as a whole being taken seriously by God or something

i'm sorry it was a lot of pretentious drivel attempting to justify a rediculous point so i may have lost some of it

Pathemavan

@ChaosWotan

So, as the forums only represent a minority of the ESO playerbase, both your suggestion and our rebuttals are more or less equally useless and should be treated accordingly.

In addition , while I would agree that the forums are not a very good representation of the "average ESO user" you must also consider the following: ZeniMax would really know if the costumes were somehow offensive to the masses that do play the game. They have the ability to keyword search convo logs, check the percentage of the total player base that have purchased a costume, as well as who wears a costume and for how long they wear it. Big data is rather scary that way.

For all of the faults with this game, its creators are not stupid. As such, if they could tell, (using wayyyy better tools than anecdotal forum evidence,) that costumes were a problem - they'd be gone. The very fact that they aren't should tell you that the masses are not behind you on this one.

Yes, they're unrealistic
Yes, they break immersion in the game itself
Yes, they can be done in ways that are gaudy, tacky, and absolutely horrendous

But, most of all, they're a laugh - even if you don't find the joke particularly funny.

FleetwoodSmack

Katahdin wrote: »

Appleblade wrote: »

So why hang out with us horrible deplorables? Go and spend time with your wonderful artistic friends and leave us to our uncultured, juvenile doom.

You're getting the these responses because people are tired of asinine, self important, "my s*** doesn't smell" attitudes from people who take ancillary things in life like a game pathologically too seriously. Is that clear and blunt enough for you?

QFT

@ChaosWotan

It's a damn game, supposed to be fun, not realistic. What digital, virtual world characters wear in game doesnt effect you in the slightest other than you are choosing to let it do so.

If you want realism, go play ARMA 3 or, better yet, shut the computer off and go outside instead of trying to find realism in a video game set in a fantasy realm.

Pretty much this. ESO is hardly realistic. It's also hardly singleplayer. If people don't want 'certain clothes in combat', I highly recommend playing the singleplayer TES games instead being as people pay good money for their costumes. Honestly... Topics like this makes it feel like the fun in the room just died.

CapnPhoton

It seems as if unless you are wearing a city guard or alliance soldier's uniform, then everything is 'civilian' clothing.

ChaosWotan

@Browiseth

Notice that your interpretative skills have not improved that much since your last post, but keep trying.

@Pathemavan

I argue from the viewpoint that art and beauty are basically not decided by a majority vote.

Anyway, all you gamers who are insulted by my arrogance should actually thank me because now you can wear silly costumes in the game and feel that it has a purpose, as a rebellion against us fashion "fascists". You faux rebels must love that, right? Vive la pink shorts!

xmaveri

Stfo op. Who are you to tell people how they should play the game and what they can and can not wear to play the game. You are what is wrong with society. ESO is a FANTASY RPG. So don't even start with that it's not realistic bs. This game is an escape for me. I'm sure it is for others too but we play to ultimatly have fun. So what if a orc is wearing a dress.. if you think that *** is ungodly I would strongly suggest avoiding downtown Atlanta, San Fran, New York lmaoo
I'm happy that ZOS is making ESO a fun and friendly environment, and definitely welcome the diversity it brings to the table.

ListerJMC

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@ListerJMC

If one changes the argument from realism to lore-friendly, then it will give more room for civilian clothing, but even within the lore of ESO it's not "realistic" that male orcs will play in wedding dresses or a Nord will show up in the battlefield dressed in pink shorts.

It's more realistic that a commander has a crown, but here is the main point of all my posts in this thread: the crown, and several of the other civilian costumes, should have looked cooler. Now the crown looks like a shiny toy item found in a cereal box. If the crown had been in wood, it might have looked better. But it looks fake, like plastic, without quality.

Males, including orcs, have been able to wear clothing originally designed for women in previous games. For example, The 'LeFemm' official plugin for Morrowind did not change the female form of the armor when worn on males (which includes orcs). The real issue with wearing a wedding dress around is that the wearer may ruin the dress for/on their special day.

Several male Nordic armors designed for armed combat are shirtless, so Nords showing up without a shirt to a battle isn't lore-breaking. Your issue seems to be with the pink, a colour which in the real world has traditionally been associated with women but in Tamriel is not. With the existence of dyes, there's no lore reason I can see why a male Nord couldn't show up to battle in "pink shorts".

As for the crown: the crown is given to you during the Jester's Festival, which makes fun of royalty. Therefore, the design of it was most likely intentionally ridiculous to suit the spirit of the festival. For other civilian clothes you dislike the look of, it comes down to personal taste.

ChaosWotan

@xmaveri

You sound friendly...

Read what I have written before barfing up comments please. I'm discussing aesthetics, not ethics or politics.

I'm allowed to express my opinion about aesthetics in the same way you are. Because we live in a free democracy.

KochDerDamonen

Here lies @ChaosWotan, dedicated troll, father, mother, climbed this hill to perish upon.

Th-this thread had the potential to gain mainstream recognition of video game forums as a legitamate art, but it's far too bland and outdated now because of those pesky avatars that you uneducated swine children insist on wearing.

G-good thing I'm enlightened, hehe xd




Long live costumes, my tubby argonian loves his appropriated belly dancer garb.

ChaosWotan

@KochDerDamonen

Since you are enlightened you should know that awakening, within the Buddhist traditions at least, has nothing to do with aesthetics. Cf. asubha meditation for instance.

Consequently, an enlightened view is actually not relevant in a discussion about aesthetics.

Browiseth

@ChaosWotan notice that your wit has not improved since your last post, but keep trying

we can turn this into a poop-post if you want, but it doesn't get anywhere

not that i would expect a suggestion like this to get very far in the first place, but that's irrelevant

AhPook_Is_Here

Personally I wish they had more titillating and provocative attire like gimp suits, unicorn suits, bikinis, stockings and similar attire. I would pay mad crowns for that stuff!

Pathemavan

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@Browiseth

Notice that your interpretative skills have not improved that much since your last post, but keep trying.

@Pathemavan

I argue from the viewpoint that art and beauty are basically not decided by a majority vote.

Anyway, all you gamers who are insulted by my arrogance should actually thank me because now you can wear silly costumes in the game and feel that it has a purpose, as a rebellion against us fashion "fascists". You faux rebels must love that, right? Vive la pink shorts!

And I offer that neither art nor beauty are something to be decided at all.

"Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it" -Confucius

ChaosWotan

@Browiseth

No, it doesn't get us anywhere, because taste is basically subjective, and those who got power within a group or subculture decide what is acceptable and allowed. In our case it's the leaders, middle management and devs of a multinational corporation. We are all pawns following what they dictate, like it or not.

xmaveri

@ChaosWotan but your opinion is more socialist than Democratic. ZOS is giving the players freedom of choice to play the game they like. You got to understand it's a big world out their which means allot of diverse personalities. If you really want to get real you can go back into the history books and see that high Noble men wore wigs and stockings....

ChaosWotan

@xmaveri

I'm actually an hyper-individualist, expressing my aristocratic opinion about how the devs should change the game, so that I like it.

Have never been a socialist. Don't identify with either the Left or Right. I'm an indigenist though, supporting all indigenous people in the world. But this is politics, which is not allowed in this forum.

Aristocrats did not wear dinner dresses during combat. Wigs tend to get in the way when somebody is trying to cut off your head.

Browiseth

ChaosWotan wrote: »

@Browiseth

No, it doesn't get us anywhere, because taste is basically subjective, and those who got power within a group or subculture decide what is acceptable and allowed. In our case it's the leaders, middle management and devs of a multinational corporation. We are all pawns following what they dictate, like it or not.

huh, that sounds a lot like you want: to dictate what players can and cannot do/wear

god i love it when an argument comes full circle

Juponen

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/27/b8/5a/27b85a9da3d903b79f472a0083307e46.jpg

To me they look garish and silly. Clownish even.

I would not dare to say it to them face to face, though

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4a/04/7a/4a047a5c7bdf03b2186cd8e677d53dcc.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iHub9RHsONs/U68GC-cQ0KI/AAAAAAAAa_w/O4F9nuH26vI/s1600/f.jpg

http://media.galaxant.com/000/120/473/desktop-1424801912.jpg

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/medal_men.jpg

And these were real people appearing as that irl. What might be found in a fantasy world. Anything.

Last but not least ...

http://media.galaxant.com/000/120/470/desktop-1424801906.jpg

ChaosWotan

@Browiseth

Of course I want to dictate the boundaries of what is considered beautiful and elegant in this game, or else I would not have created this thread. I'm trying to convince the devs that without boundaries the game will gradually become a freak show, and not in a good way, like Woodstock when that was new and provocative, but just tasteless cheese.

Perfectly aware however that I'm probably on the losing side here.