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Offline mode - Should it be changed?
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Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Ahnastashia wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
I absolutely love the play offline option. There are just times when I want to play and not interact with friends. It's nothing against them at all.. I just want to play and have some alone time. Whoever created the "offline" option was brilliant and I think understood the concept of just wanting to play without interruptions from others.
As far as PvPers being offline and sending harassing tells/whispers.. there is also a wonderful option for that as well.. it's /ignore (problem solved).
The ignore feature is irrelevant here. The problem stems from how the mechanic itself currently works, as it is a setup for disaster. Why implement a mechanic that can be so easily abused, and often is?
Then just make it so when someone is set to offline they can't message anyone or receive messages. I'd be fine with that. I just want the option to play offline when I want to.
Exactly. That's the suggestion I was making. I have nothing against being set to offline. It is just that users DO use it to harass people.1 -
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If you want to do that, you can toggle yourself to Online. There are no real reasons you need to be able to whisper people when you're Offline.So sometimes you need to whisper to some noobie were the respec Shire is or your other friend that you will be done in 10 mins. There are real reasons for this feature.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
EDIT: And BTW, the ignore function is clearly designed to be the cure for the situations OP suggests. That is not just my oppinion but others in this thread and
Zos has provided instructions on the use of the ignore function to block text chat from players. I have linked it to make it easier for people to fine this very helpful information.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2565/~/how-do-i-block-or-ignore-someone?
Just in case someone accidentally puts a player on their ignore list Zos has provided instructions on how to unblock them. I have included a link to that information as well.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2552/~/how-can-i-unblock-someone?
Attempting to be as helpful as possible with factual aspects of the game.Edited by idk on March 24, 2017 10:59PM0 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
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✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
And Zos already provided the solution with the ignore fuction. I included when I made my original post and others have said the same.
I edited the post you quoted to include links to the information Zos provided on placing someone on your ignore list and just in case someone is accidentally ignored I included a link to the instructions for removing a player from the ignore list.
and your post is as much you centric as mine was me centric. I know people who use the function of appearing offline just as I posted it and you apparently know people who have been harassed and I guess did not know about the ignore list.
Enjoy the game.Edited by idk on March 24, 2017 11:04PM0 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
And Zos already provided the solution with the ignore fuction. I included when I made my original post and others have said the same.
I edited the post you quoted to include links to the information Zos provided on placing someone on your ignore list and just in case someone is accidentally ignored I included a link to the instructions for removing a player from the ignore list.
Enjoy the game.
And I am telling you that some of us are not happy with how the ignore function currently works, so in some of our eyes it isn't that great of a solution. I am familiar with how ignore works, and that ZoS's method is to send that in response to reports of harassment. I have discussed this with CS in depth. You may be happy with how the ignore feature works, some of us aren't.1 -
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✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
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Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭LadyLavina wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
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✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
And Zos already provided the solution with the ignore fuction. I included when I made my original post and others have said the same.
I edited the post you quoted to include links to the information Zos provided on placing someone on your ignore list and just in case someone is accidentally ignored I included a link to the instructions for removing a player from the ignore list.
Enjoy the game.
And I am telling you that some of us are not happy with how the ignore function currently works, so in some of our eyes it isn't that great of a solution. I am familiar with how ignore works, and that ZoS's method is to send that in response to reports of harassment. I have discussed this with CS in depth. You may be happy with how the ignore feature works, some of us aren't.
I am calling you out on why the ignore function does not prevent the harassment you speak of? Since it was not included in your OP I should not be required to read every post you made in this thread to fine that information.0 -
orinthol✭✭A...if I see someone in chat request an item from the guild bank or something like that I can send them a whisper saying I will grab it for them.
B...low priority considering some of the other aggravations in the game.
CThe ignore list it there just for this sort of thing.
DWhy should I be unable to whisper someone because you don't want to ignore someone?
A.) How does that person respond to you if they can't whisper back? Do they do it in guild chat? What if it is a crafting request? How do you know what you are crafting for them? You're going to have to turn off your Offline flag anyway, if you are so set on not typing in guild chat. The place where they would have probably already responded to you. Which would alert the rest of the guild that you had responded to them.
Or you could use the mechanic they so conveniently put in the game for you (see what I did there?) and flag yourself as Do Not Disturb. You can receive whispers with that flag on. You're just trying to be a jerk, objectively. I'm not calling you a jerk. I'm observing your behavior via the words you've typed. And again, everything you mention is entirely about you and only you. You don't care that others are getting harassed. Nothing states that you have to. But the "me me me" shots you keep taking at the OP are irrelevant, and aren't productive.
B.) I agree with you that this is most likely extremely low priority. You're devoting an awful lot of effort to something that you are supposedly aware is not a serious issue, as far as the ESO team is concerned. Objectively, you're just here on this thread to be hostile, and what you perceive as being right. Good for you. Fun fact. The Offline flag is actually bugged. Bugged in a way not even mentioned on this thread yet. It's possible that the ability to whisper with replies blocked is also a bug.
C.) It's been stated here multiple times. The ignore feature is also flawed. It promotes harassment. This thread isn't about the ignore feature though. You continue to attempt to make that the topic. Because it's the you show. Or whatever.
D.) You're able to whisper whoever you desire. Specifically with the Do Not Disturb flag set. Which conveys the message you were so concerned about conveying. This isn't about me or you. It's about anyone that is harassed with the Offline flag mechanic. You've thoroughly established that you don't care about those people, however many and whoever they may be. That's fine. Again, good for you. I care about people being harassed in game. According to the ESO team, so do they.1 -
mesmerizedish✭✭✭✭✭A person sending harassing messages can just as easily put their target on ignore afterwards to prevent them from responding. Why would you WANT to respond to such a person anyway?
Sometimes I want to be invisible to guild/the public, but still communicate with one person. That can't be accommodated if I'm unable to send whispers while offline.
Bottom line, the problem you posit the existence of would still exist even if your change is enacted, because trolls have other (easier, less disruptive) means of achieving it. At the same time, people who just want to play for a while without being bothered while still being able to talk to people they actually choose to will be negatively impacted.
So no, I do not believe the current "appear offline" behavior ought to be changed.0 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
And Zos already provided the solution with the ignore fuction. I included when I made my original post and others have said the same.
I edited the post you quoted to include links to the information Zos provided on placing someone on your ignore list and just in case someone is accidentally ignored I included a link to the instructions for removing a player from the ignore list.
Enjoy the game.
And I am telling you that some of us are not happy with how the ignore function currently works, so in some of our eyes it isn't that great of a solution. I am familiar with how ignore works, and that ZoS's method is to send that in response to reports of harassment. I have discussed this with CS in depth. You may be happy with how the ignore feature works, some of us aren't.
I am calling you out on why the ignore function does not prevent the harassment you speak of? Since it was not included in your OP I should not be required to read every post you made in this thread to fine that information.
Calling me out? What do you think this is?
I made a post about a function in game that is abused. You gave a suggestion, and I told you why for me it isn't a solution in mine and others opinions. If it works for you, great - but understand it is not the solution that everyone is happy with.
My only intent in making this post was to try to find a solution to get rid of harassment that is happening in game via a mechanic that is being abused. Not sure why that is so upsetting for some of you.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Not being able to whisper would make sense and cut the abuse. You should be able to talk in zone, group and guild chat though
this. actualy I would love it if I was unable to send whispers while I'm in offline mode. becasue several times now, I forgot that I was hiding out to quest and enjoy the story, and whispered someone in zone chat trading for something I wanted and then wondered for 5 minutes why they didn't reply back, only to get a group invite and for them to tell me that they couldn't whisper back. derp!
an then there was also that time I kept a one sided chat with a friend who just got online, asking if he was afk or something, only to get a message on facebook that he couldn't send whispers back to me. oh. crap. derp.
me not being able to whisper in a first place would remind me before confusion could even happen. guild/group chat though I think should stay as is.Edited by Linaleah on March 24, 2017 11:17PMdirty worthless casual.
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✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
And Zos already provided the solution with the ignore fuction. I included when I made my original post and others have said the same.
I edited the post you quoted to include links to the information Zos provided on placing someone on your ignore list and just in case someone is accidentally ignored I included a link to the instructions for removing a player from the ignore list.
Enjoy the game.
And I am telling you that some of us are not happy with how the ignore function currently works, so in some of our eyes it isn't that great of a solution. I am familiar with how ignore works, and that ZoS's method is to send that in response to reports of harassment. I have discussed this with CS in depth. You may be happy with how the ignore feature works, some of us aren't.
I am calling you out on why the ignore function does not prevent the harassment you speak of? Since it was not included in your OP I should not be required to read every post you made in this thread to fine that information.
Calling me out? What do you think this is?
I made a post about a function in game that is abused. You gave a suggestion, and I told you why for me it isn't a solution in mine and others opinions. If it works for you, great - but understand it is not the solution that everyone is happy with.
My only intent in making this post was to try to find a solution to get rid of harassment that is happening in game via a mechanic that is being abused. Not sure why that is so upsetting for some of you.
I have asked you way it does not work for you. If you cannot explain that then you clearly do not want a conversation which is the purpose of creating a thread.
Generally idiots that harrass people in cyrodiil stop when no one replies. The ignore list is the solution Zos provided and obviously most of those participating in this thread are in agreement with that. Explain yourself or there is no reason for you to continue with this conversation.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
Just so you know, they will set themselves to "online", rage tell you, then quickly set themselves to "offline". Then they will prepare a second rage tell, quickly set themselves "online" to send it, then quickly set themselves to "offline" right after.
Your suggestions isn't bad, but it won't work against the determined jerk.3 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
And Zos already provided the solution with the ignore fuction. I included when I made my original post and others have said the same.
I edited the post you quoted to include links to the information Zos provided on placing someone on your ignore list and just in case someone is accidentally ignored I included a link to the instructions for removing a player from the ignore list.
Enjoy the game.
And I am telling you that some of us are not happy with how the ignore function currently works, so in some of our eyes it isn't that great of a solution. I am familiar with how ignore works, and that ZoS's method is to send that in response to reports of harassment. I have discussed this with CS in depth. You may be happy with how the ignore feature works, some of us aren't.
I am calling you out on why the ignore function does not prevent the harassment you speak of? Since it was not included in your OP I should not be required to read every post you made in this thread to fine that information.
Calling me out? What do you think this is?
I made a post about a function in game that is abused. You gave a suggestion, and I told you why for me it isn't a solution in mine and others opinions. If it works for you, great - but understand it is not the solution that everyone is happy with.
My only intent in making this post was to try to find a solution to get rid of harassment that is happening in game via a mechanic that is being abused. Not sure why that is so upsetting for some of you.
I have asked you way it does not work for you. If you cannot explain that then you clearly do not want a conversation which is the purpose of creating a thread.
Generally idiots that harrass people in cyrodiil stop when no one replies. The ignore list is the solution Zos provided and obviously most of those participating in this thread are in agreement with that. Explain yourself or there is no reason for you to continue with this conversation.
I must have missed where you specifically asked me why it doesn't work for me. Here is my answer though. Because users that are on our ignore list can still read everything you type in party,zone,guild chat & reply to you/about you knowing fully well you can't see what they are saying. If someone is going to reply to me in a harassing way, I would like to be able to see so I can then report them for their behavior.Edited by Pumpkin_pants on March 24, 2017 11:21PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
Just so you know, they will set themselves to "online", rage tell you, then quickly set themselves to "offline". Then they will prepare a second rage tell, quickly set themselves "online" to send it, then quickly set themselves to "offline" right after.
Your suggestions isn't bad, but it won't work against the determined jerk.
@danno8
Great addition to the conversation and good insight. I had not thought about that being a workaround to what OP is suggesting. Thx.0 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
Just so you know, they will set themselves to "online", rage tell you, then quickly set themselves to "offline". Then they will prepare a second rage tell, quickly set themselves "online" to send it, then quickly set themselves to "offline" right after.
Your suggestions isn't bad, but it won't work against the determined jerk.
I appreciate posts like yours. Thank you.
Edited for suggestion: Maybe add a timer between changing user activity settings? To avoid this type of abuse. Just brainstorming.
@Giles.floydub17_ESO "Great addition to the conversation and good insight. I had not thought about that being a workaround to what OP is suggesting. Thx."
...What was that you were saying about blowing smoke up the ***es of others,again?Edited by Pumpkin_pants on March 25, 2017 12:04AM1 -
orinthol✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@orinthol
OMG(.) LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP(?) Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on (exactly) what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
(LOL.)
EDIT: And BTW, the ignore function is clearly designed to be the cure for the situations OP suggests. That is not just my (opinion) but others in this thread, and (large gap in text removed) (ZOS) has provided instructions on the use of the ignore function to block text chat from players. I have linked it to make it easier for people to (find) this very helpful information.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2565/~/how-do-i-block-or-ignore-someone?
Just in case someone accidentally puts a player on their ignore list(,) (ZOS) has provided instructions on how to unblock them. I have included a link to that information as well.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2552/~/how-can-i-unblock-someone?
(I'm) attempting to be as helpful as possible (by presenting) links to aspects of the (support system).
He (or she) stated that they knew it was happening. From actual experience. They did not give exact details regarding the scope of the incidents. You can go back and reread if you'd like. I know, from experience, that the Offline flag is abused often in PvP. Several times a day, at least. And that is just the content that I am exposed to during my play experience. It would be foolish to assume it is not abused outside of my knowing, when I'm not their to objectively observe it.
The ignore feature is flawed. Objectively. You're just King **** though, aren't you? All full of pomp and arrogance. You really put me in my place. Because that's what the forum is for. It's for you to puff up your cyber chest, and really shut people down. I think your festive Jester Crown has gone to your actual head maybe. Thanks for so condescendingly posting those links. It's not like they are part of the automated response message for virtually all player reports.
PS - Does your web browser not have spell check? It's been established quite thoroughly on the internet that, when you're attempting to tear someone down for no reason (and illustrate how superior you obviously are to them, that spelling and grammatical presentation matter. If you type like a clown, it makes your pompous little fart seem obnoxious. And a bit ironic too. Just sayin'? LOL?Edited by orinthol on March 24, 2017 11:30PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
And Zos already provided the solution with the ignore fuction. I included when I made my original post and others have said the same.
I edited the post you quoted to include links to the information Zos provided on placing someone on your ignore list and just in case someone is accidentally ignored I included a link to the instructions for removing a player from the ignore list.
Enjoy the game.
And I am telling you that some of us are not happy with how the ignore function currently works, so in some of our eyes it isn't that great of a solution. I am familiar with how ignore works, and that ZoS's method is to send that in response to reports of harassment. I have discussed this with CS in depth. You may be happy with how the ignore feature works, some of us aren't.
I am calling you out on why the ignore function does not prevent the harassment you speak of? Since it was not included in your OP I should not be required to read every post you made in this thread to fine that information.
Calling me out? What do you think this is?
I made a post about a function in game that is abused. You gave a suggestion, and I told you why for me it isn't a solution in mine and others opinions. If it works for you, great - but understand it is not the solution that everyone is happy with.
My only intent in making this post was to try to find a solution to get rid of harassment that is happening in game via a mechanic that is being abused. Not sure why that is so upsetting for some of you.
I have asked you way it does not work for you. If you cannot explain that then you clearly do not want a conversation which is the purpose of creating a thread.
Generally idiots that harrass people in cyrodiil stop when no one replies. The ignore list is the solution Zos provided and obviously most of those participating in this thread are in agreement with that. Explain yourself or there is no reason for you to continue with this conversation.
I must have missed where you specifically asked me why it doesn't work for me. Here is my answer though. Because users that are on our ignore list can still read everything you type in party,zone,guild chat & reply to you/about you knowing fully well you can't see what they are saying. If someone is going to reply to me in a harassing way, I would like to be able to see so I can then report them for their behavior.
Then the part of just ignoring their comment and moving on often has a great effect on ending it. Generally small minded people who harass others in Cyrodiil stop when they do not see signs the elicited a response. Considering you know they are on offline mode it appears you have replied and as such my guess is some replies made it through. Just a guess mind you.
In either case it has been pointed out your idea would not work either way making no reason for changing suggested.0 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
@orinthol
OMG, LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP. Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on exactlly what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
lol
Could be because it isn't "me-centric" *shrug* It's an issue that many players have encountered. I just so happen to be one of the people to post about it on the forums. Limited experience? He? You sure do like to make assumptions.
And Zos already provided the solution with the ignore fuction. I included when I made my original post and others have said the same.
I edited the post you quoted to include links to the information Zos provided on placing someone on your ignore list and just in case someone is accidentally ignored I included a link to the instructions for removing a player from the ignore list.
Enjoy the game.
And I am telling you that some of us are not happy with how the ignore function currently works, so in some of our eyes it isn't that great of a solution. I am familiar with how ignore works, and that ZoS's method is to send that in response to reports of harassment. I have discussed this with CS in depth. You may be happy with how the ignore feature works, some of us aren't.
I am calling you out on why the ignore function does not prevent the harassment you speak of? Since it was not included in your OP I should not be required to read every post you made in this thread to fine that information.
Calling me out? What do you think this is?
I made a post about a function in game that is abused. You gave a suggestion, and I told you why for me it isn't a solution in mine and others opinions. If it works for you, great - but understand it is not the solution that everyone is happy with.
My only intent in making this post was to try to find a solution to get rid of harassment that is happening in game via a mechanic that is being abused. Not sure why that is so upsetting for some of you.
I have asked you way it does not work for you. If you cannot explain that then you clearly do not want a conversation which is the purpose of creating a thread.
Generally idiots that harrass people in cyrodiil stop when no one replies. The ignore list is the solution Zos provided and obviously most of those participating in this thread are in agreement with that. Explain yourself or there is no reason for you to continue with this conversation.
I must have missed where you specifically asked me why it doesn't work for me. Here is my answer though. Because users that are on our ignore list can still read everything you type in party,zone,guild chat & reply to you/about you knowing fully well you can't see what they are saying. If someone is going to reply to me in a harassing way, I would like to be able to see so I can then report them for their behavior.
Then the part of just ignoring their comment and moving on often has a great effect on ending it. Generally small minded people who harass others in Cyrodiil stop when they do not see signs the elicited a response. Considering you know they are on offline mode it appears you have replied and as such my guess is some replies made it through. Just a guess mind you.
In either case it has been pointed out your idea would not work either way making no reason for changing suggested.
It honestly just seems like you are trying to be a *** to me. Even if my idea in the OP wouldn't work, there is no reason why this thread can not be used to brainstorm and come up with solutions.
Please, stop replying if you don't wish to contribute & only continue to try to put me down.Edited by Pumpkin_pants on March 24, 2017 11:40PM1 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
Agreed, you should not be able to send whispers in offline mode. It gives trolls and all around angry players a convenient way to send hate/rage tells with not replies.
If you want to whisper other people, you are clearly not "offline."1 -
orinthol✭✭mesmerizedish wrote: »...still communicate with one person...
How are you communicating with someone that can't respond to you?
Are you familiar with the Do Not Disturb feature? It's called the Do Not Disturb feature. I'm not sure what that implies. You could research it though. Instead of being unnecessarily dismissive here.2 -
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✭✭✭✭I really hate when people abuse that setting. IMO it should also disable outgoing messages and have a 30 second cooldown on changing between online/offline.
Edit: and the game should provide more clear indication that the person is set to offline mode when you try to whisper them.Edited by Solariken on March 24, 2017 11:40PM4 -
aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭Yes it should be changed. Sick of getting hate tells from cowards that go into offline mode.
Had an AD player message me saying that I am the worst sorcerer ever and to get a real build instead of YouTube spam.
This was after I killed his Sorcerer toon in Imperial City with my custom made build.
Kinda doubt many are running this same setup.
50k max magika using witches brew drink on this build. + mage light and meteor on front bar. I hate pets but the extra magika is soo good for both defensive and offensive.
5x clever alchemist (including 1x heavy chest and 1x sharpened sword on back bar)
1x infernal guardian
1x llambris medium shoulders
5x necropotence (including 1x sharpened sword on back bar and 1x sharpened inferno staff on front bar)
Overload on back bar running both mags light and bound agies on overload bar acheives 54k max magika plus good bonus to spell damage from using sharpens swords. Can get 42k overload hits
Edited by aLi3nZ on March 24, 2017 11:44PM2 -
orinthol✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I am calling you out on why the ignore function does not prevent the harassment you speak of? Since it was not included in your OP I should not be required to read every post you made in this thread to fine that information.
I like how your first sentence is a question. You're stating that the OP should somehow preemptively ignore someone. Before the harassing whisper has even been sent. The one that the OP can't respond to. You're not required to do anything here. You're not required to keep attempting to be an enormous *******, but here you are doing it. The forum is supposed to be for constructive and positive conversation. Not flippant and hostile dismissals. Your forte.
When Player 1 ignores Player 2, Player 2 can still read everything that Player 1 types. Player 2 can then continue to harass Player 1, without Player 1 knowing about it. Normally, when an ignore feature is used, it will block the ignored individual's ability to read any further text created by the player issuing the ignore command.
If you willfully disregard this dysfunctional aspect of the current system, that is your choice. I have seen it abused multiple times in zone chat. If you haven't, then you haven't. Fact is, since facts are something you claim to be concerned about, it does happen. Harassment in game should be addressed, and appropriate responses enacted. Harassing behavior is a blatant violation of the agreement we all signed off on.
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@orinthol
OMG(.) LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP(?) Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on (exactly) what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
(LOL.)
EDIT: And BTW, the ignore function is clearly designed to be the cure for the situations OP suggests. That is not just my (opinion) but others in this thread, and (large gap in text removed) (ZOS) has provided instructions on the use of the ignore function to block text chat from players. I have linked it to make it easier for people to (find) this very helpful information.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2565/~/how-do-i-block-or-ignore-someone?
Just in case someone accidentally puts a player on their ignore list(,) (ZOS) has provided instructions on how to unblock them. I have included a link to that information as well.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2552/~/how-can-i-unblock-someone?
(I'm) attempting to be as helpful as possible (by presenting) links to aspects of the (support system).
He (or she) stated that they knew it was happening. From actual experience. They did not give exact details regarding the scope of the incidents. You can go back and reread if you'd like. I know, from experience, that the Offline flag is abused often in PvP. Several times a day, at least. And that is just the content that I am exposed to during my play experience. It would be foolish to assume it is not abused outside of my knowing, when I'm not their to objectively observe it.
The ignore feature is flawed. Objectively. You're just King **** though, aren't you? All full of pomp and arrogance. You really put me in my place. Because that's what the forum is for. It's for you to puff up your cyber chest, and really shut people down. I think your festive Jester Crown has gone to your actual head maybe. Thanks for so condescendingly posting those links. It's not like they are part of the automated response message for virtually all player reports.
PS - Does your web browser not have spell check? It's been established quite thoroughly on the internet that, when you're attempting to tear someone down for no reason (and illustrate how superior you obviously are to them, that spelling and grammatical presentation matter. If you type like a clown, it makes your pompous little fart seem obnoxious. And a bit ironic too. Just sayin'? LOL?
@orinthol
You have been called out in this thread as being rude with your replies like this. Calling those who selected the agree option on that post does not make others trolls. They were merely expressing their opinion.
You can try to put me down but that does not elevate your argument nor make it correct.
Considering most of the replies in this thread are suggesting the ignore function to be used in situation OP suggests and more than one time it has been brought up that clearly OP is replying to the trolls in Cyrodiil, otherwise he would not know they were set to offline and replying to trolls is merely feeding them. A bad practice.
Further, it has been pointed out that changing how the offline feature works as OP suggests would not change a think. One could place themselves online, send the whisper then go offline again. No reason to change it.
All the best.0 -
orinthol✭✭Just so you know, they will set themselves to "online", rage tell you, then quickly set themselves to "offline". Then they will prepare a second rage tell, quickly set themselves "online" to send it, then quickly set themselves to "offline" right after.
Great point. That's the type of feedback that people should be providing here.
I believe another comment also noted that the harassing individual could just as easily utilize the ignore feature. Hate tell, ignore, wait, undo the ignore, hate some more, rinse and repeat.
Ultimately, harassing behavior is an issue. I hope things are done about it. I wish there was less of it. Isn't wishing fun.
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Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@orinthol
OMG(.) LOL.
Where is your post saying the same thing to the OP(?) Oh, there is none in this thread. Based on (exactly) what he replied, before you commented on my post, his experience is specifically based on his limited experience.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ***
(LOL.)
EDIT: And BTW, the ignore function is clearly designed to be the cure for the situations OP suggests. That is not just my (opinion) but others in this thread, and (large gap in text removed) (ZOS) has provided instructions on the use of the ignore function to block text chat from players. I have linked it to make it easier for people to (find) this very helpful information.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2565/~/how-do-i-block-or-ignore-someone?
Just in case someone accidentally puts a player on their ignore list(,) (ZOS) has provided instructions on how to unblock them. I have included a link to that information as well.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2552/~/how-can-i-unblock-someone?
(I'm) attempting to be as helpful as possible (by presenting) links to aspects of the (support system).
He (or she) stated that they knew it was happening. From actual experience. They did not give exact details regarding the scope of the incidents. You can go back and reread if you'd like. I know, from experience, that the Offline flag is abused often in PvP. Several times a day, at least. And that is just the content that I am exposed to during my play experience. It would be foolish to assume it is not abused outside of my knowing, when I'm not their to objectively observe it.
The ignore feature is flawed. Objectively. You're just King **** though, aren't you? All full of pomp and arrogance. You really put me in my place. Because that's what the forum is for. It's for you to puff up your cyber chest, and really shut people down. I think your festive Jester Crown has gone to your actual head maybe. Thanks for so condescendingly posting those links. It's not like they are part of the automated response message for virtually all player reports.
PS - Does your web browser not have spell check? It's been established quite thoroughly on the internet that, when you're attempting to tear someone down for no reason (and illustrate how superior you obviously are to them, that spelling and grammatical presentation matter. If you type like a clown, it makes your pompous little fart seem obnoxious. And a bit ironic too. Just sayin'? LOL?
@orinthol
You have been called out in this thread as being rude with your replies like this. Calling those who selected the agree option on that post does not make others trolls. They were merely expressing their opinion.
You can try to put me down but that does not elevate your argument nor make it correct.
Considering most of the replies in this thread are suggesting the ignore function to be used in situation OP suggests and more than one time it has been brought up that clearly OP is replying to the trolls in Cyrodiil, otherwise he would not know they were set to offline and replying to trolls is merely feeding them. A bad practice.
Further, it has been pointed out that changing how the offline feature works as OP suggests would not change a think. One could place themselves online, send the whisper then go offline again. No reason to change it.
All the best.
Could you just stop? You are trying to derail this thread, and are extremely unproductive. Also you are not as clever as you believe you are. Go away.1
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