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Offline mode - Should it be changed?
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
Yes. Because this post was entirely about you. I imagine everything you purvey, in your mind, is completely you-centric. However, the post is obviously about people other than you, using a part of the system to harass other players. If that doesn't describe you, then (obviously) the thread has nothing to do with you. Thanks for your helpful two cents, though. It's an enormous contribution to the topic. As I'm sure you imagined it would be.
You are being incredibly rude when they are actually contributing to the topic.
The OP simply asked why do people use this feature and they gave the reason many people use it for.
You are being selfish in thinking your problems are the only problems and there is no positive to this feature.
That is actually not why I asked "What is the point"... My asking that was to ask "What is the point in allowing players who use this feature to whisper other players, but not allow those players to whisper back"... Molydeus either misunderstood the question, or chose to respond in a dismissive way to my post.
Sorry but that one is on you. The title does include "what is the point" and the opening sentence is "The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline"".
I sometimes use the whisper option when I am offline and it is very handy to be able to do so. As an example when I am leveling a lower level character I don't want to be bothered with a lot of requests to heal trials, pledges or equipment runs. I am a guild officer though and if I see someone in chat request an item from the guild bank or something like that I can send them a whisper saying I will grab it for them.
And you do have the option to ignore people who are harassing you in game without changing how others might play. Maybe instead of not allowing offline people to whisper have a setting that would allow you to ignore all players with offline status? That change to me though would be really low priority considering some of the other aggravations in the game.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."3 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
Yes. Because this post was entirely about you. I imagine everything you purvey, in your mind, is completely you-centric. However, the post is obviously about people other than you, using a part of the system to harass other players. If that doesn't describe you, then (obviously) the thread has nothing to do with you. Thanks for your helpful two cents, though. It's an enormous contribution to the topic. As I'm sure you imagined it would be.
You are being incredibly rude when they are actually contributing to the topic.
The OP simply asked why do people use this feature and they gave the reason many people use it for.
You are being selfish in thinking your problems are the only problems and there is no positive to this feature.
That is actually not why I asked "What is the point"... My asking that was to ask "What is the point in allowing players who use this feature to whisper other players, but not allow those players to whisper back"... Molydeus either misunderstood the question, or chose to respond in a dismissive way to my post.
Sorry but that one is on you. The title does include "what is the point" and the opening sentence is "The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline"".
I sometimes use the whisper option when I am offline and it is very handy to be able to do so. As an example when I am leveling a lower level character I don't want to be bothered with a lot of requests to heal trials, pledges or equipment runs. I am a guild officer though and if I see someone in chat request an item from the guild bank or something like that I can send them a whisper saying I will grab it for them.
And you do have the option to ignore people who are harassing you in game without changing how others might play. Maybe instead of not allowing offline people to whisper have a setting that would allow you to ignore all players with offline status? That change to me though would be really low priority considering some of the other aggravations in the game.
And if you read on my statement is put into context. That matters. Ignoring the context is on the reader, not me.3 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
Yes. Because this post was entirely about you. I imagine everything you purvey, in your mind, is completely you-centric. However, the post is obviously about people other than you, using a part of the system to harass other players. If that doesn't describe you, then (obviously) the thread has nothing to do with you. Thanks for your helpful two cents, though. It's an enormous contribution to the topic. As I'm sure you imagined it would be.
You are being incredibly rude when they are actually contributing to the topic.
The OP simply asked why do people use this feature and they gave the reason many people use it for.
You are being selfish in thinking your problems are the only problems and there is no positive to this feature.
That is actually not why I asked "What is the point"... My asking that was to ask "What is the point in allowing players who use this feature to whisper other players, but not allow those players to whisper back"... Molydeus either misunderstood the question, or chose to respond in a dismissive way to my post.
Sorry but that one is on you. The title does include "what is the point" and the opening sentence is "The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline"".
I sometimes use the whisper option when I am offline and it is very handy to be able to do so. As an example when I am leveling a lower level character I don't want to be bothered with a lot of requests to heal trials, pledges or equipment runs. I am a guild officer though and if I see someone in chat request an item from the guild bank or something like that I can send them a whisper saying I will grab it for them.
And you do have the option to ignore people who are harassing you in game without changing how others might play. Maybe instead of not allowing offline people to whisper have a setting that would allow you to ignore all players with offline status? That change to me though would be really low priority considering some of the other aggravations in the game.
And if you read on my statement is put into context. That matters. Ignoring the context is on the reader, not me.
It is up to you to communicate to your target audience so it is indeed on you and not them. Your first sentence is usually a pretext of what is to follow. Reading your message there were two things to take from it. One that there was/is no point to being offline other that to harass people and two you don't think people who are offline should be allowed to whisper. Some chose to answer one aspect of your message and others both.
And again you can always ignore in game. problem solved.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
I understand the point, but it often is not used that way. I guess it doesn't make sense that they can whisper other users while marked as either.
My post is more about the players who want to bother others and not be bothered back. The way it works now, is being abused by players who want to talk smack to people in PvP. This is the point of my post.
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Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
Yes. Because this post was entirely about you. I imagine everything you purvey, in your mind, is completely you-centric. However, the post is obviously about people other than you, using a part of the system to harass other players. If that doesn't describe you, then (obviously) the thread has nothing to do with you. Thanks for your helpful two cents, though. It's an enormous contribution to the topic. As I'm sure you imagined it would be.
You are being incredibly rude when they are actually contributing to the topic.
The OP simply asked why do people use this feature and they gave the reason many people use it for.
You are being selfish in thinking your problems are the only problems and there is no positive to this feature.
That is actually not why I asked "What is the point"... My asking that was to ask "What is the point in allowing players who use this feature to whisper other players, but not allow those players to whisper back"... Molydeus either misunderstood the question, or chose to respond in a dismissive way to my post.
Sorry but that one is on you. The title does include "what is the point" and the opening sentence is "The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline"".
I sometimes use the whisper option when I am offline and it is very handy to be able to do so. As an example when I am leveling a lower level character I don't want to be bothered with a lot of requests to heal trials, pledges or equipment runs. I am a guild officer though and if I see someone in chat request an item from the guild bank or something like that I can send them a whisper saying I will grab it for them.
And you do have the option to ignore people who are harassing you in game without changing how others might play. Maybe instead of not allowing offline people to whisper have a setting that would allow you to ignore all players with offline status? That change to me though would be really low priority considering some of the other aggravations in the game.
And if you read on my statement is put into context. That matters. Ignoring the context is on the reader, not me.
It is up to you to communicate to your target audience so it is indeed on you and not them. Your first sentence is usually a pretext of what is to follow. Reading your message there were two things to take from it. One that there was/is no point to being offline other that to harass people and two you don't think people who are offline should be allowed to whisper. Some chose to answer one aspect of your message and others both.
And again you can always ignore in game. problem solved.
I did communicate my point in full. Parts of "my audience" just chose to cherry pick what they wanted to respond to, and unfortunately that took the entire discussion out of context and has derailed the entire point of this thread.
Ignoring is only one way to solve the issue, but it isn't something some people find works well. I believe in finding the root of the issue and changing it so it can not be abused ( as it is now ) would help much better, as I don't like how the ignore function currently works.
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Pepper8Jack✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Yeah if you set your self to offline then you are not able to send whispers unless they are on your friends list.
I get whispers constantly from players who are not on my friends list ( enemy faction players ), and am unable to reply to them though they are whispering to me over and over, sometimes.
Easy fix, just add them to the ignore list.
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Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Yeah if you set your self to offline then you are not able to send whispers unless they are on your friends list.
I get whispers constantly from players who are not on my friends list ( enemy faction players ), and am unable to reply to them though they are whispering to me over and over, sometimes.
Easy fix, just add them to the ignore list.
What's the point of replying to toxic behaviors?
Sometimes, a player is asking questions or making accusations & it would be nice IMO to be able to explain to them exactly what is going on. Your build, etc. I'm being an optimist here, but maybe if they understand what they are up against they won't feel the need to be so toxic. Just a thought.1 -
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✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
I understand the point, but it often is not used that way. I guess it doesn't make sense that they can whisper other users while marked as either.
My post is more about the players who want to bother others and not be bothered back. The way it works now, is being abused by players who want to talk smack to people in PvP. This is the point of my post.
How do you know? Because the people in your bubble don't? In my bubble people do it when going I to VMA or trials. If you are online and people are whispering you and you have it unchecked and are switching zones clearly not AFK, they think they are being ignored.
As others have said, it's to play without being bothered/interupted/seen.Edited by cpuScientist on March 24, 2017 8:36PM1 -
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✭✭✭While this has derailed a bit off topic...while you can ignore people abusing this in pvp, tbh I see no reason that someone set to offline should be able to send whispers at all. I mean, I totally understand not wanting to be bothered, but in this case why would you want to talk to someone? I can't say how many times my friends set themselves to offline for whatever reason, then forgot about it and tried to started a chat with me
I had to mail them "you're OFFLINE" lol. It just leads to confusion(and potential abuse I guess though personally I haven't run into (m)any). Nothing wrong with still being able to talk in zone/guild/group because other people can still respond to you there, but I see no, or close to no, legitimate reason to want to tell someone something privately while they cannot respond. If it's that urgent, you can go online. If it's that private, you can group with that one person. If it's a guild matter, you can talk it over in guildchat. 3 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
I understand the point, but it often is not used that way. I guess it doesn't make sense that they can whisper other users while marked as either.
My post is more about the players who want to bother others and not be bothered back. The way it works now, is being abused by players who want to talk smack to people in PvP. This is the point of my post.
How do you know? Because the people in your bubble don't? In my bubble people do it when going I to VMA or trials. If you are online and people are whispering you and you have it unchecked and are switching zones clearly not AFK, they think they are being ignored.
As others have said, it's to play without being bothered/interupted/seen.
As I have already stated, I know because I am receiving whispers that I can not respond to. I am not sure what you mean by "the people in my bubble" could you explain?1 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »1. As mentioned above, when you want to play and immerse yourself into a quest without being bothered by friends saying hi and stuff.
2. As a courtesy to your friends while doing 'chores' that involve quickly cycling through numerous characters. This spares them seeing a bunch of rapid log on / log off notifications as you quickly cycle through your characters to, say, get them all their daily horse training or such.
You get notified when friends log on or off? Must be just a PC thing. Yea I can see this becoming annoying.
Yeah, first thing I do is turn that option off for guild. I'm in a big raid and auction guild. The login/logout spam is annoying. I leave on for friends though. For PC folks, I would recommend Shissu's Guild Tools. There quite a few settings you can 'tweak' to customize your guild interface.0 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
So.... ignore is a hard thing to do I guess?
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✭when I do vmal, I might go offline mode, that way I can concentrate on it, and im not feeling less of a *** for not returning chat messages back1 -
Runs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
I would be fine with that.
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Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
So.... ignore is a hard thing to do I guess?
I dislike how the current ignore feature works. I have already stated this a few posts above.1 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It is fine. People should be able to easily choose to turn off incoming messages. There is no problem with that.
If they choose to whisper and you can't whisper back, tough luck. Not a problem. If they whisper something rude, you can just laugh at them for thinking they aren't pathetic for needing to send rude whispers.0 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭If it were changed so that users set to offline could not send whispers to other users, less reports of harassment would be submitted based on the abuse of the current function of this setting. It would save customer support time they could be spending on dealing with real problems that customers are encountering.2
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✭✭✭✭✭@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
A number of players use that mode that play in peace and quiet. 5 guilds and a friends list can prevent that.
Many I know turn themselves offline when they log out and then back online when they feel like it next time their in game.
The settings should remain the same. If your being trolled out then on your ignore list. Frustrate them cause they cannot vent.1 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
A number of players use that mode that play in peace and quiet. 5 guilds and a friends list can prevent that.
Many I know turn themselves offline when they log out and then back online when they feel like it next time their in game.
The settings should remain the same. If your being trolled out then on your ignore list. Frustrate them cause they cannot vent.
I made no assumption. I made a statement based on my experience of how players I have encountered use this function. It wasn't a guess, but based on actual events. This post is not about players who use the function as it is intended to be used.1 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So sometimes you need to whisper to some noobie were the respec Shire is or your other friend that you will be done in 10 mins. There are real reasons for this feature.
Again PvP wants to mess with PvEEdited by Tasear on March 24, 2017 9:24PM1 -
orinthol✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
The thing is, you assumed something. Then, you used your assumption to accuse someone else of making an assumption. The original poster is attempting to address a real practice that violates the agreed upon community standards of the game. You're essentially stating that because most people don't commit crime, all crime is not an issue. We should just ignore it.
The Offline flagging function creates the ability to harass. Harassment creates reports of harassment. Customer service tickets. Those tickets take time to clear, which costs ZOS money. The current ignore feature functions in a manner that is at least as dysfunctional as the Offline flag. You ignore a player, yet they can still read your comments and respond to them. You simply can't see it.
Both are utilized to harass. The point of this thread is not to determine who is and is not being harassed by said feature/s. It is to identify whether changing one or both would create less harassment. And by doing so decrease customer support tickets. And ultimately, save the company money.
If it would cost more for a programmer to change the system than it does to clear the tickets currently produced, then obviously it is not a viable thing to pursue. We don't have access to the numbers regarding either of those things. So none of us should be making assumptions about them.
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
I understand the point, but it often is not used that way. I guess it doesn't make sense that they can whisper other users while marked as either.
My post is more about the players who want to bother others and not be bothered back. The way it works now, is being abused by players who want to talk smack to people in PvP. This is the point of my post.
How do you know? Because the people in your bubble don't? In my bubble people do it when going I to VMA or trials. If you are online and people are whispering you and you have it unchecked and are switching zones clearly not AFK, they think they are being ignored.
As others have said, it's to play without being bothered/interupted/seen.
As I have already stated, I know because I am receiving whispers that I can not respond to. I am not sure what you mean by "the people in my bubble" could you explain?Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
The thing is, you assumed something. Then, you used your assumption to accuse someone else of making an assumption. The original poster is attempting to address a real practice that violates the agreed upon community standards of the game. You're essentially stating that because most people don't commit crime, all crime is not an issue. We should just ignore it.
The Offline flagging function creates the ability to harass. Harassment creates reports of harassment. Customer service tickets. Those tickets take time to clear, which costs ZOS money. The current ignore feature functions in a manner that is at least as dysfunctional as the Offline flag. You ignore a player, yet they can still read your comments and respond to them. You simply can't see it.
Both are utilized to harass. The point of this thread is not to determine who is and is not being harassed by said feature/s. It is to identify whether changing one or both would create less harassment. And by doing so decrease customer support tickets. And ultimately, save the company money.
If it would cost more for a programmer to change the system than it does to clear the tickets currently produced, then obviously it is not a viable thing to pursue. We don't have access to the numbers regarding either of those things. So none of us should be making assumptions about them.
Or you could use the mechanic they so conveniently put in the game for you and ignore them. The ignore list it there just for this sort of thing.
Why should I be unable to whisper someone because you don't want to ignore someone?and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »When someone wants to play without being bothered.
I understand the point, but it often is not used that way. I guess it doesn't make sense that they can whisper other users while marked as either.
My post is more about the players who want to bother others and not be bothered back. The way it works now, is being abused by players who want to talk smack to people in PvP. This is the point of my post.
How do you know? Because the people in your bubble don't? In my bubble people do it when going I to VMA or trials. If you are online and people are whispering you and you have it unchecked and are switching zones clearly not AFK, they think they are being ignored.
As others have said, it's to play without being bothered/interupted/seen.
As I have already stated, I know because I am receiving whispers that I can not respond to. I am not sure what you mean by "the people in my bubble" could you explain?Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
This is completely you-centric. Because it's not an issue for you, then it clearly doesn't matter. Where is the data supporting your claim that an assumption is being made? Oh. There is none. Because you don't have access to that information. You just have the experiences of one person. I am glad that yours have all been outstanding. Lucky you.
The thing is, you assumed something. Then, you used your assumption to accuse someone else of making an assumption. The original poster is attempting to address a real practice that violates the agreed upon community standards of the game. You're essentially stating that because most people don't commit crime, all crime is not an issue. We should just ignore it.
The Offline flagging function creates the ability to harass. Harassment creates reports of harassment. Customer service tickets. Those tickets take time to clear, which costs ZOS money. The current ignore feature functions in a manner that is at least as dysfunctional as the Offline flag. You ignore a player, yet they can still read your comments and respond to them. You simply can't see it.
Both are utilized to harass. The point of this thread is not to determine who is and is not being harassed by said feature/s. It is to identify whether changing one or both would create less harassment. And by doing so decrease customer support tickets. And ultimately, save the company money.
If it would cost more for a programmer to change the system than it does to clear the tickets currently produced, then obviously it is not a viable thing to pursue. We don't have access to the numbers regarding either of those things. So none of us should be making assumptions about them.
Or you could use the mechanic they so conveniently put in the game for you and ignore them. The ignore list it there just for this sort of thing.
Why should I be unable to whisper someone because you don't want to ignore someone?
Why can't you simply turn off offline, to whisper someone to save other users from being harassed via the current mechanic?
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✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
I absolutely love the play offline option. There are just times when I want to play and not interact with friends. It's nothing against them at all.. I just want to play and have some alone time. Whoever created the "offline" option was brilliant and I think understood the concept of just wanting to play without interruptions from others.
As far as PvPers being offline and sending harassing tells/whispers.. there is also a wonderful option for that as well.. it's /ignore (problem solved).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
A number of players use that mode that play in peace and quiet. 5 guilds and a friends list can prevent that.
Many I know turn themselves offline when they log out and then back online when they feel like it next time their in game.
The settings should remain the same. If your being trolled out then on your ignore list. Frustrate them cause they cannot vent.
I made no assumption. I made a statement based on my experience of how players I have encountered use this function. It wasn't a guess, but based on actual events. This post is not about players who use the function as it is intended to be used.
But you did make an assumption. From your original post "Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp,"
"most" and "only real reason" that is an assumption. How many people in game right now have an offline status? How many in game last time you played had a status of offline?
There is no way at all you can know those numbers. All you know is how many people who are playing using the offline status have whispered you. You have no data to support if that represents less than 1% of the players currently playing as offline or 90%. You made an assumption that is was "most" to lend more urgency to your argument. That is what people are calling you out on. They are not saying it didn't happen. They are saying you can't know what percent of offline people do that.
And again you already have a solution in game that doesn't change the way others want to play. For some reason you fail to respond to that.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Ahnastashia wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
I absolutely love the play offline option. There are just times when I want to play and not interact with friends. It's nothing against them at all.. I just want to play and have some alone time. Whoever created the "offline" option was brilliant and I think understood the concept of just wanting to play without interruptions from others.
As far as PvPers being offline and sending harassing tells/whispers.. there is also a wonderful option for that as well.. it's /ignore (problem solved).
The ignore feature is irrelevant here. The problem stems from how the mechanic itself currently works, as it is a setup for disaster. Why implement a mechanic that can be so easily abused, and often is?1 -
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✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »Pumpkin_pants wrote: »The setting that allows players to mark themselves as "offline" ... Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp, so that the other user may not reply to them. If a user really was away or just did not care to receive whispers, why not just un-check your whisper in the chat box? Either that, or maybe change it so setting yourself to offline, makes it so YOU are unable to send whispers? Just a thought. What do you guys think about it?
Edited to specify that it is only the "offline" setting that causes this.
I absolutely love the play offline option. There are just times when I want to play and not interact with friends. It's nothing against them at all.. I just want to play and have some alone time. Whoever created the "offline" option was brilliant and I think understood the concept of just wanting to play without interruptions from others.
As far as PvPers being offline and sending harassing tells/whispers.. there is also a wonderful option for that as well.. it's /ignore (problem solved).
The ignore feature is irrelevant here. The problem stems from how the mechanic itself currently works, as it is a setup for disaster. Why implement a mechanic that can be so easily abused, and often is?
Then just make it so when someone is set to offline they can't message anyone or receive messages. I'd be fine with that. I just want the option to play offline when I want to.2 -
Pumpkin_pants✭✭✭Pumpkin_pants wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Pumpkin_pants
In general your assumption that most often players select the offline mode to troll others in PvP is mostly incorrect.
While I have Received tells from people I killed the few I responded to were all online.
A number of players use that mode that play in peace and quiet. 5 guilds and a friends list can prevent that.
Many I know turn themselves offline when they log out and then back online when they feel like it next time their in game.
The settings should remain the same. If your being trolled out then on your ignore list. Frustrate them cause they cannot vent.
I made no assumption. I made a statement based on my experience of how players I have encountered use this function. It wasn't a guess, but based on actual events. This post is not about players who use the function as it is intended to be used.
But you did make an assumption. From your original post "Most often the only real reason I see players using this for is to send harassing/smack talk tells after they got owned in pvp,"
"most" and "only real reason" that is an assumption. How many people in game right now have an offline status? How many in game last time you played had a status of offline?
There is no way at all you can know those numbers. All you know is how many people who are playing using the offline status have whispered you. You have no data to support if that represents less than 1% of the players currently playing as offline or 90%. You made an assumption that is was "most" to lend more urgency to your argument. That is what people are calling you out on. They are not saying it didn't happen. They are saying you can't know what percent of offline people do that.
And again you already have a solution in game that doesn't change the way others want to play. For some reason you fail to respond to that.
No, no I didn't. I was referring to myself. As in "Most often when I encounter someone using this feature it is to harass" - It's not an assumption at all, but a clear objective observation.1
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