Selfish tank or selfless (supportive)tank

Gordon906 · March 2017

^^^

Gordon906 · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3932000#Comment_3932000
Also, have a look at this.

idk · March 2017

The options don't make sense.

Selfish tank taunts and debuffs and is maybe a min/max tank. A min/max tank would be wearing sets that give the group bunus aether ebon/Alkosh or the former darling build if tavas and dragon.

lolo_01b16_ESO · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

When I tank, it's usually quick dailies without a healer and belive me, if you want to tank something like rom without a healer, there are situations where you might want to use magma shell instead of warhorn.
Also staying alive should always be top priority for a tank.

Gordon906 · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The options don't make sense.

Selfish tank taunts and debuffs and is maybe a min/max tank. A min/max tank would be wearing sets that give the group bunus aether ebon/Alkosh or the former darling build if tavas and dragon.

A min max tank would maybe wear chudan set and plague doctor over bloodspawn(for magma armor or warhorn) and ebon armory. If you're you're greedy tank then you would rather have more armor and health for yourself rather than resources for your group.

Gordon906 · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

A good tank that knows the mechanic should be able to survive with 30k health and 25k resist.

Turelus · March 2017

So like this is a poll to try and get people to support your view of tanking or something?

I mean it's not skewed with the naming or anything and the option you voted for seems to be the one you think everyone should vote for.

KochDerDamonen · March 2017

Min/Max does not equal greedy or self-buffing, but yes you could minimize your group utility in order to maximize your personal tankiness. Generally people value the group utility, so they maximize that at the cost of other things.

Being a greedy tank doesn't get you anywhere, unless you're trying to maximize your damage for carry purposes in 4man content with PUGs. It's plenty easy to max out one's resists and have more than enough hp without maximizing it

Gordon906 · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

Turelus wrote: »

So like this is a poll to try and get people to support your view of tanking or something?

I mean it's not skewed with the naming or anything and the option you voted for seems to be the one you think everyone should vote for.

Except, you don't have to.

lolo_01b16_ESO · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Gordon906 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The options don't make sense.

Selfish tank taunts and debuffs and is maybe a min/max tank. A min/max tank would be wearing sets that give the group bunus aether ebon/Alkosh or the former darling build if tavas and dragon.

A min max tank would maybe wear chudan set and plague doctor over bloodspawn(for magma armor or warhorn) and ebon armory. If you're you're greedy tank then you would rather have more armor and health for yourself rather than resources for your group.

You never played a tank right? Chudan is about the worst set you can use as tank as it doesn't stack with your class buffs which you will be using anyway for their additional benefits. Also at least for me the ressource return from bloodspawn / tava is way more valuable than having a bit more hp.

Drummerx04 · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

The options here are pretty bad, but:

I have seen SO many pug tanks wearing ebon simply because they were told to apparently. They are so bad at positioning mobs and taunting the mobs that are actually kind of dangerous, and they are also terribad at surviving if the healer is unavailable for any reason. I have also seen some of these tanks using sturdy warhorn.

The real problem with your poll is that tanking styles/builds are not so black and white. I can have a completely selfish build with respect to direct group buffs... but if I can group every mob pack into one liquid lightning within 5 seconds and then root them in place and taunt them... that's still incredibly useful and I would run with that tank for any pledge.

Kodrac · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

So like this is a poll to try and get people to support your view of tanking or something?

I mean it's not skewed with the naming or anything and the option you voted for seems to be the one you think everyone should vote for.

So... biased poll is biased?

AhPook_Is_Here · March 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

^^^

LOL nice survey. Wish it could be pinned next to the topic about how no tanks queue for the group finder anymore so all those DPS looking to break 12k parses don't have to look too far to cry about what their tank has done for them lately.

LadyLavina · March 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

^^^

what the hell are you even asking? lol

Asardes · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

Bloodspawn & Lord Warden are by far the best sets for a tank. Maybe Scourge Harvester in some situations but really doesn't come close to the former. Mighty Chudan and Pirate Skeleton are plain bad on any serious PvE tank. The latter will make the healer tear his hair out.

Danksta · March 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The options don't make sense.

Selfish tank taunts and debuffs and is maybe a min/max tank. A min/max tank would be wearing sets that give the group bunus aether ebon/Alkosh or the former darling build if tavas and dragon.

A min max tank would maybe wear chudan set and plague doctor over bloodspawn(for magma armor or warhorn) and ebon armory. If you're you're greedy tank then you would rather have more armor and health for yourself rather than resources for your group.

You seem to be confused on what the term min max means.

kylewwefan · March 2017

Depends on the content and group you run with. If you don't get any synergy the buff sets become more a liability. In a great group, warhorn can make a difference....most pugs I'd be better running barrier or standard.

Asardes · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

As for 5 piece sets Ebon Armory, Tava's Blessing, Roar of Alkosh, Powerful Assault - the last 2 together more for off tank than main tank because running 5 medium doesn't get you enough health & resist to full tank some of the harder dungeon and trial bosses.

Draqone · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Drummerx04 wrote: »

The options here are pretty bad, but:

I have seen SO many pug tanks wearing ebon simply because they were told to apparently. They are so bad at positioning mobs and taunting the mobs that are actually kind of dangerous, and they are also terribad at surviving if the healer is unavailable for any reason. I have also seen some of these tanks using sturdy warhorn.

The real problem with your poll is that tanking styles/builds are not so black and white. I can have a completely selfish build with respect to direct group buffs... but if I can group every mob pack into one liquid lightning within 5 seconds and then root them in place and taunt them... that's still incredibly useful and I would run with that tank for any pledge.

As a healer... this, so much this.

I am spending so much time in my guild trying to explain to people that if you or your group lacks experience tanking in alkosh and Ebon is not the best idea.

People see those builds on Deltia's, alcast's and so on and blindly copy them.

Draqone · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Above post applies to 4 man dungeons more so than trials, but to trials as well. ^

Asardes · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

kylewwefan wrote: »

Depends on the content and group you run with. If you don't get any synergy the buff sets become more a liability. In a great group, warhorn can make a difference....most pugs I'd be better running barrier or standard.

I run replenishing barrier on my front bar and warhorn on the back bar. The former also gives me magicka recovery from the support passive but I only use it as emergency, if the healer is dead or to allow the healer to beam in the execute phase if he has already cast aggressive warhorn. Despite the nerf radiant oppression is still the strongest execute.

HatchetHaro · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

Tanking is more about knowing your class, role, and dungeon/trial mechanics inside and out. Of all the roles, the tank is probably the most important player in the group. After that, gear is a simple question of getting utility while maintaining survivability.

A good tank should be able to survive on his own without much help from the healer, and also help buff the team offensively and defensively. Ebon/Alkosh is a good setup but is more useful in trials than dungeons; Tava's/Dragon is much better for dungeons for the extra damage buff.

If you're new to tanking, go with neither of those. Don't follow a guide. Just put on some resistance heavy armor sets and just go at it. Gotta be selfish and learn how to survive on your own before you can start being selfless.

timb16_ESO85 · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Definetely selfish tank according to these poll definitions:

-Ebon armour does not make any sense for 4 man undaunted dailies, there are far better sets available which provide more benefit than 3k extra healt, which shouldn't be needed anyway.
- warhorn is sort of hard to use for 3/4th of all classes, so selfish me for not using it.
- buff group instead of debuffing enemies: why does this even make a difference? debuffing enemies while tanking and healing the group is not selfish at all, but not a single buff is done to the group (except shards maybe, does this count as a buff?)

while the things making me selfish are the definition of a tank:
taunting anything that could be a remote threat, debuffing boss (partly included in taunt) and staying alive (self heals/shields/mitigation) is kinda what a tank should do, otherwise we would be called a healer if we were buffing and healing people

Stania · March 2017

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

I'm a mix of both, but I'm heading towards to be more supportive.

Brrrofski · March 2017

What is the point in the poll? Who isn't going to want the tank that does most for the group?

Turelus · March 2017

Gordon906 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So like this is a poll to try and get people to support your view of tanking or something?

I mean it's not skewed with the naming or anything and the option you voted for seems to be the one you think everyone should vote for.

Except, you don't have to.

I'm not, but it still stands that this poll exists because some people disagree with you and you seem to want reinforcement that you're the correct on in the debate.

Wouldn't it be better to just keep the debate in the debating thread?

Bowser · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Buffing the raid means I have to put effort into keeping myself alive. Effort. Bar swapping and using syngergies is too much, man.

I'm already annoyed that I have to slot warhorn on my back bar instead of double shell, and then I actually have to bar swap to use it.

I hate bar swapping and made a build specifically to eliminate it.

CultOfMMO · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Bowser wrote: »

Buffing the raid means I have to put effort into keeping myself alive. Effort. Bar swapping and using syngergies is too much, man.

I'm already annoyed that I have to slot warhorn on my back bar instead of double shell, and then I actually have to bar swap to use it.

I hate bar swapping and made a build specifically to eliminate it.

All I should ever have to do as a tank is to hold aggro. I might get some "elitist" hate but as a min/maxer I find the passive weapon damage bonus from Flawless Dawnbreaker really helps with that, so no room for warhorn.

mayyyyyybe warhorn on backbar? but really if ppl need 2 bars to properly tank they probably need to gitgud

Humatiel · March 2017

These choices seem a little elitist, I prefer the hybrid "imatank" route with a backbar taunt in case my healer cant dps for himself. If you absolutely must choose between things like surviving or giving buffs then the best choice is to potato and ask the raid leader, that way its not your fault.

Lunavere · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

I always find it best to taunt everything once. DPS aren't going to learn that they're not doing enough DPS if I keep repeatedly taunting,and 12 seconds should be more than enough time. Having the boss turn on them and kill them will definitely point out their critical error, and they have time to think about how to improve their rotation as they wait for their rez.

My only issue with this is that I do have Warhorn slotted, but that wasn't in my choice list. I use it whenever the boss turns because the Sturdy morph should help them survive a bit longer. I want to give them as much time to kill the boss, after all. I am not heartless.

Xrucible · March 2017

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Yes I main a tank and @Lunavere is correct. If you are a not able to kill adds or bosses before taunt runs out you are doing something wrong.. Magma shell gives the group support in the form of shields..

I agree with @Bowser too bar swapping is a chore so why just be a Simple Potato when you can be a Braindead Potato

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