Selfish tank or selfless (supportive)tank

Rickter

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

you wont make it very far as a selfish tank

Bowser

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Rickter wrote: »

you wont make it very far as a selfish tank

I've done all Craglorn hardmodes and vMoL with my selfish Lazy Shell build.

Humatiel

Bowser wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

you wont make it very far as a selfish tank

I've done all Craglorn hardmodes and vMoL with my selfish Lazy Shell build.

In all fairness though we had half the team on alts and for some reason grapes were brought up more then raid calls >.>. There just isnt content in eso hard enough to justify a "need" for a min-max build if completion is the goal.

Loves_guars

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Rickter

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

Bowser wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

you wont make it very far as a selfish tank

I've done all Craglorn hardmodes and vMoL with my selfish Lazy Shell build.

and you brag about this?

geonsocal

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

holy cow @Gordon906 ...joined in February and you started over 50 threads already...nice work

a little bit of both for the pug undaunted dailies...definitely try hard to do the tank job (taunt, aggro, buff, debuff).. but, challenging at times coordinating with strangers and everyone kinda doing their own thing...

Xrucible

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Rickter wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

you wont make it very far as a selfish tank

I've done all Craglorn hardmodes and vMoL with my selfish Lazy Shell build.

and you brag about this?

Why not? Hell we cleared vMoL with a speed run with the main tank drunk with 15 shots of fireball.. The objective of playing a game is to have fun I believe..

EDIT: Sorry just got confirmed it was 17 shots..

idk

Gordon906 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The options don't make sense.

Selfish tank taunts and debuffs and is maybe a min/max tank. A min/max tank would be wearing sets that give the group bunus aether ebon/Alkosh or the former darling build if tavas and dragon.

A min max tank would maybe wear chudan set and plague doctor over bloodspawn(for magma armor or warhorn) and ebon armory. If you're you're greedy tank then you would rather have more armor and health for yourself rather than resources for your group.

Still doesn't make sense. A half decent tank would probably not wear chudan. If anything warden if melee dps are challenged with mechanics since warden has a chance to reduce the damage they take

Plague doctor isn't an ad set. Worth running if unsure he e smooth the run will be. It adds some extra insurance and if paired with Alkosh or ebon it's just fine. Not progression material though. Better sets are ebon, Alkosh, PA.

Idk. Maybe it's that I don't know anyone that is a "greedy" tank or any tanks that try to stack resist.

Peekachu99

Warhorn/ Ebon are only a neccesity (questionable there, too) in trials, where everyone just wants to stand and pewpew to maximum effect. In almost any other solo, 4 player or PVP situation Magma Armor (DK), Sword and Board's Reflect (use that on the 2nd boss in RoM for giggles), Crescent Sweep, and any number of ultimates and setups are better. Survivability and sustainability should be baseline to a tank, followed by basic utility CC's, taunts, and finally tuned by preference (dps-tank, heal-tank, buff-tank).

I just pugged the vet Mazza daily with my temp tank (no longer a blazplar, that got boring) with a 13K Absorb Magika shield and 3K spellpower, 5 piece light amor, max resistances (Chudan), and it was like running with 4 dps. Cleared the place in time for those that didn't have it to get the achievement. Clearly, I would not run this build in a trial. Likewise, when I PVP, I'll probably swap to more support and enemy annoyance (Brahara's, PD, heavy debuffs and stuns).

The thread's choices are far too black and white for those who are familiar with how versatile the tanking role is. A tank should have more armor sets than any other toon in the game (and that Crown Store banker) so that he/ she can swap as each situation demands.

Bowser

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Chudan and Hist Bark are awesome. Those are two major tank buffs that are always active and don't take up your bar slots.

Floki_Vilgerdarson

I want a tank who knows the mechanics of the dungeon and knows how to play his class.

If you want to be a tank, learn your job. The extra 1000 health to group members from Ebon Armor is for high end raiding, where dps is so mid maxed the 1000 health can save them from one shot mechanics.

If you are inexperienced or incompetent you will not be a "Supportive" tank or a "Selfish" tank regardless of your good intentions or special gear sets.

"You can't polish a turd."

Strider_Roshin

Both? Your main focus should be to get agro for one, and survive; second you'll want to debuff the boss/adds, and finally you'll want to buff your team. How you do that is up to you.

Lynx7386

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

My nightblade tank certainly felt a bit selfish. He used warhorn and pierce but otherwise provided nothing to the group (sans the occasional vigor).

My dk tank on the other hand gives the entire group an 11-12k damage shield every 2-3 seconds, pulls enemies in for aoe with chains. And roots with talons to keep them there.

My future Warden tank will hopefully be very group support oriented by providing major ward/resolve, magicka and stamina regen bonuses, and damage reduction, and maybe healing to the group. Probably more damage than my dragonknight too.

I just wish I could get hircine's veneer and worm cult sets in heavy, those would be great for a warden tank.

Xrucible

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

To everyone saying that you have to run Ebon, you have to use warhorn and you have to provide group support please L2P.. Those are good but you dont need to have it to clear content..

Content in ESO is so easy unless you are pushing for scores only DPS matters.. Even them only DPS matters..

kojou

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

I assume this is asking which we like to run more?

I typically like sets that are good tanking sets, and provide group support like Sanctuary and Imperium, but I usually get stuck with Ebon and Alkosh.

pizzaow

Always remember your tanking priorities (they are in order):

1. Don't Die
2. Hold Aggro
3. Position Boss
4. Handle Mechanics
5. Provide group benefit

If you're wearing all group support sets (e.g. powerful assault/alkosh) you're going to be squishier than a plague doctor/hist bark set. This means that if you don't dodge velidreth's heavy attack you'll die, and the group will likely wipe. What "selfish" sets do is give you (and your healer) 1 or 2 mistakes. Again, (1) is much more important than (5), and if you're dead you've also messed up 2-4... With a 'selfish' build you can eat that heavy attack, bar swap at the wrong time or run out of magic and be fine. If you find yourself always running with full resources and doing the mechanics in your sleep you should definitely move to a more supportive set.

Notice I also mentioned healer. The more support sets you run, then more you'll be relying on a good healer. An indirect benefit of a selfish set is it will allow your healer to make a mistake too... if they forget to spam healing springs during the warrior's channeled attack you can still live. If they run out of magic and can't BoL, you'll be okay.

A dead tank often wipes the group, while support sets just help the DPS kill things faster. I'd much rather run with a tank that doesn't die and we take 3 minutes to kill the boss, than having a tank wipe multiple times, but finally burn the boss in 2:45.

Mivryna

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Selfish. I'm still learning, so I need the extra mitigation.

Autolycus

Once again we find ourselves pointlessly debating between competing and completing. This "selfish" tank build (which is a stupid label, to be frank) with minimal support aren't taking top spots on leaderboards. It's by and far common knowledge at this point that min/maxing is unnecessary merely to complete content. There are plenty of groups who have beaten all of the vet trials and done hardmodes without catering to the most elitist setups. And guess what? That's totally okay.

Do what you wanna do. The more a tank strives to be efficient and boost their group, the better the group performs, the faster clears become, the fewer deaths occur, and the higher the scores. You can't argue with empirical results, but you can play how you want to play. All tanks who truly want to be competitive ultimately make these sacrifices for the benefit of their group, because the most experienced tanks know how to strip their build down to the most lightweight and efficient build as possible specifically for the purpose of filling in the gaps with tons of group support. That's the meta. There will always be a meta. Either you want to be that good, or you want to just play your way. If you wanna do something else, then just do it. There's nothing stopping you and your group from beating a trial the way you want to beat it, and the rest is irrelevant. Quit arguing with people who do it more efficiently and effectively, because they don't care and neither should you. Just do you.

And those of you acting superior and talking down to people for playing perfectly acceptable, albeit different, builds are creating pointless drama with people that don't care about you or your progression. Do you know why? Because this is a video game, and in the grand scheme of things, your scores are totally irrelevant. Everyone gets something different out of ESO, and your group's scores are for your group to enjoy, and for others who are like-minded to compete against. That's a perfectly acceptable reason to play the game, and it's perfectly acceptable to enjoy and be a part of that. That's what you want to get out of ESO and you have every right to get what you want out of a video game for which you are paying. Everyone else is just trying to play and have fun, so you do you, and let everyone else play with their own builds. The fact that your build is more efficient or effective, that your group is better at it, doesn't matter to anyone but you and the people you're up against, which is a very, very small percentage of the population.

MyKillv2.0

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Tanking is more about knowing your class, role, and dungeon/trial mechanics inside and out. Of all the roles, the tank is probably the most important player in the group. After that, gear is a simple question of getting utility while maintaining survivability.

A good tank should be able to survive on his own without much help from the healer, and also help buff the team offensively and defensively. Ebon/Alkosh is a good setup but is more useful in trials than dungeons; Tava's/Dragon is much better for dungeons for the extra damage buff.

If you're new to tanking, go with neither of those. Don't follow a guide. Just put on some resistance heavy armor sets and just go at it. Gotta be selfish and learn how to survive on your own before you can start being selfless.

Best. Advice. On the forum!

Too many people watch streamers and follow their builds without thought or reason. Tanks especially are a L2P class. Play the character and developer your own build and play style.

That would be like if I picked up Alcast's latest build and expected to 50k DPS like him. Skill is the most underrated part of this game. People just think that they can plug and play builds from streamers to play this game at a high level.

Bowser

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Xrucible wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

you wont make it very far as a selfish tank

I've done all Craglorn hardmodes and vMoL with my selfish Lazy Shell build.

and you brag about this?

Why not? Hell we cleared vMoL with a speed run with the main tank drunk with 15 shots of fireball.. The objective of playing a game is to have fun I believe..

EDIT: Sorry just got confirmed it was 17 shots..

Actually we did the two chains and fang focused achievements while I was hammered. I don't remember it, but at least I recorded the run.

Woeler

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

Even with full support sets you can tank for pug groups that have barely any damage or knowledge about mechanics. There is absolutely no reason at all to play a non-support tank in PVE. Zero, Null, Nothing.

Tandor

I find generally in life that when poll options are given it's quite handy to preface those options with a question or proposition.

Tasear

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

More then one way to tank, but this poll is inherently biased and confusing.

Gargath

This is ridiculous, another try to name&shame good people as selfish just because they play fair but not the way as OP's way. Like "ebon armory ofcourse, war horn" was the only solution for tanking. Grow up.

Tasear

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Be it tank or healer as long as we keep you alive, then we did our job. Let's be real the medium sets like atllkoash and sunderflame aren't tank sets, nor is Hircine. DPS should learn to actually be supportive.

ynimma

I'm thinking about a fish tank build but haven't found the proper sets for that yet...

Woeler

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

Tasear wrote: »

Be it tank or healer as long as we keep you alive, then we did our job. Let's be real the medium sets like atllkoash and sunderflame aren't tank sets, nor is Hircine. DPS should learn to actually be supportive.

Nah.

Rainwhisper

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

Also, warhorn is a PvP skill. Those of us who are PvE only don't have it!

Tasear

Selfish tank that does nothing for group besides taunt, debuff and stay alive(min maxer maybe)

ynimma wrote: »

I'm thinking about a fish tank build but haven't found the proper sets for that yet...

Got to be agrogian, a sorcerer for more speed, need a set that increases speed, also compete the loom make sure to dye apporiate.

Enslaved

Supportive tank(ebon armory ofcourse, war horn, and buffs group)

If you don't play supportive tank, you are not doing it good enough. Also, might restricting yourself from trials that way.