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Ebon or Plague Doctor?
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Gordon906✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.
Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.
Quite the opposite, I have infinite sustain. A little something called repentance for trash mobs and heavy attacks on bosses.
There aren't always corpses though especially in tough situationsEdited by Gordon906 on March 23, 2017 2:57PM0 -
Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.
Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.
Quite the opposite, I have infinite sustain. A little something called repentance for trash mobs and heavy attacks on bosses.
There aren't always corpses though especially in tough situations
Like I said, 2k stam regen and knowing when to block and when to heavy attack is key. In the end it comes down to the player. If you are perma blocking and running out of resources with 2k regen, no DK build can help you.0 -
Gordon906✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.
Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.
Quite the opposite, I have infinite sustain. A little something called repentance for trash mobs and heavy attacks on bosses.
There aren't always corpses though especially in tough situations
Like I said, 2k stam regen and knowing when to block and when to heavy attack is key. In the end it comes down to the player. If you are perma blocking and running out of resources with 2k regen, no DK build can help you.
DK can sustain with less than 500 stam regen3 -
Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.
Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.
Quite the opposite, I have infinite sustain. A little something called repentance for trash mobs and heavy attacks on bosses.
There aren't always corpses though especially in tough situations
Like I said, 2k stam regen and knowing when to block and when to heavy attack is key. In the end it comes down to the player. If you are perma blocking and running out of resources with 2k regen, no DK build can help you.
DK can sustain with less than 500 stam regen
Ok man, you win! Only DKs can be tank. I'll...just be over there playing the game.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Stamina recovery is not that useful on a tank, since in some fights you have to block for a long time and while blocking stamina recovery is stunted to 0. CP invested in tenacity, together with heavy armor passives do allow you to recover substantial amounts of stamina from heavy attacks though. Magicka recovery also helps function as stamina recovery if you are on a DK due to the helping hands passive. Each time you cast an earthen heart ability (ingenous shield, ingenous weapons or cinder storm) you recover 5% of your maximum stamina even when blocking. That's why it helps to have a big stamina pool. Magical/elemental DoTs like cinder storm do count against targets affected by magicka steal debuffs so casting cinder storm under the target you are tanking returns magicka as well. Drinking pots and timing them properly also helps you recover resources when needed. I have no trouble sustaining with the dropped magicka and stamina pots. Ultimate recovery and using that ultimate properly also helps sustain replenishing all resource pools based on the ult cost. Warhorn acts just like a tri-pot. If you keep major evasion on Tava's, heroic slash, cast ingenous shield every 6s and weave heavy and light attacks in between you will generate 200-250 ultimate every 40-45s. SotH dungeons have resource draining mechanics: the totem in VRoM and the balls in VCoS which makes managing resources properly even more important.Edited by Asardes on March 23, 2017 3:40PMBeta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Gordon906✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.
Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.
Quite the opposite, I have infinite sustain. A little something called repentance for trash mobs and heavy attacks on bosses.
There aren't always corpses though especially in tough situations
Like I said, 2k stam regen and knowing when to block and when to heavy attack is key. In the end it comes down to the player. If you are perma blocking and running out of resources with 2k regen, no DK build can help you.
DK can sustain with less than 500 stam regen
Ok man, you win! Only DKs can be tank. I'll...just be over there playing the game.
Even sorc and nightblade can tank but not as good as dk.Edited by Gordon906 on March 23, 2017 3:43PM2 -
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✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dark_Aether wrote: »Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.
Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.
Quite the opposite, I have infinite sustain. A little something called repentance for trash mobs and heavy attacks on bosses.
There aren't always corpses though especially in tough situations
Like I said, 2k stam regen and knowing when to block and when to heavy attack is key. In the end it comes down to the player. If you are perma blocking and running out of resources with 2k regen, no DK build can help you.
I want you to try that build in Veteran Trials. I promise you it won't work. Cause dropping block just isn't a thing on fights like, vAA Mage Axes, vHRC Warrior, vSO Mantikora and Serpent. You won't survive dropping block for a heavy attack on that. Stamina regen is the most useless stat for a trial tank.
You say no DK build will help you but you seem to forget one very crucial bit about DK's and why they are the Meta for Tanking. Helping Hand and Battle Roar. Getting 5% Stamina back from using an Earthen Heart ability and the other one giving you stamina, magicka and health back for your ultimate, and btw a Warhorn will give you roughly 50% back. Having low block costs with high Max Stamina and high Magicka Recovery makes the DK's able to block and attack forever without dropping block. I run with 88 stamina per block, which is lowest possible. 7 Heavy, so I get 1302 back from constitution every 4s, and then 1200 ish Magicka regen on top of that with a max stamina of around 26k. My constitution gives me more stamina back then I use when blocking. I can't get to the point where I can't block, I can get low enough to where I can't taunt or use abilities but I can't not block. The same can not be said of a Stamplar tank with 2k Stam regen. Remember that almost any build, even builds that aren't even tanks can tank vet dungeons, if you want to test if you are a true tank you do trials.
Most build for vet dungeons are some kind of hybrid tank/healer or tank/dps, but for trials you want to be a tank, or at the very least a buff/debuffer.paulsimonps wrote: »Taking into account the current DPS meta, meaning full magicka or at most one or two stamina DDs especially in trials Alkosh is not that useful. Meaning mobs and bosses have 18200 resistance from which you subtract:
- 5160 from sharpened weapons
- 4884 Concentration LA passive
- 5280 Major breach/fracture from Elemental Drain (healer) or Pierce Armor (tank)
- 1320 Minor breach/fracture from Power of the Light (healer)
- 1200 crusher enchantment from tank/healer
Which give a total of 17884, leaving just 356 resistance to be overcome by other means, meaning only a ~0.5% DPS increase from any Alkosh procs removing the remaining mitigation. In my opinion Alkosh is mostly useless unless you run a stamina heavy trial group, which you wouldn't anyway if you cared about score.
The problem with your math is that unless your tank is running Infused+5p Torug's Pact you will not have 100% uptime on Crusher and its not easy to get full uptime on Power of the light either seeing as its sometime that has to be done every 6s and in some situations healer have to, you know, heal. So Alkosh in combination with all of things you listed gives you a much higher up time on the buffs/debuffs necessary to bring the boss to 0 Resistance. Another thing is that the Alkosh if aimed right and used properly can hit multiple enemies. So if the bosses have adds or during trash pulls you can give out a large debuff. PotL will not be on all enemies and neither will crusher, but a good tank can hit a lot of targets with a well placed Alkosh.
Now if you had a pure 100% magicka DPS group and you only cared about the DPS on the bosses themselves then I would say let your main tank go with Ebon and Torugs and you would have 100% uptime, or close to it at least, on Crusher and the crusher would give around 2,400 in debuff, and btw gold Cp 160 crusher gives default 1622 debuff not 1200. Problem is that the crusher has a 10s cooldown and only a 5s duration. So unless you have Infused+Torugs you will not have a good uptime on it. Obviously you still want to run crusher cause in combination with Alkosh you get a good combined uptime on these debuffs.
Yep, I checked when I got home. The values I found on the Internet were outdated, as the enchant got buffed. And about the uptime I was not relying merely on the tank. Normally trial groups have 2 healers, one of which is running SPC+WC, the other one SPC+IA. IA requires a fully charged heavy attack to proc. That attack also has the potential to proc the enchantment on the respective staff. So you have 2 people applying the debuff, on the boss, probably at different times. There's not complete overlap, so the uptime is higher. Alkosh has a hidden cooldown, because synergies themsleves have cooldowns. It's also difficult to keep that up. The advantage it that it allso adds a DoT and debuffs multiple targets. One disadvantage for the tank is that it brings no useful buffs for himself because it's a DD set. It's also a medium set and it may be difficult to match it with other tanking sets. Running Powerful Assault with Alkosh is also out of the question on a main tank because both are medium sets and medium armor has no passives useful for a tank. You can have a melee DD running both to buff and debuff and off-tank some of the adds in some situations, but that may be not justified from an overall survivability and group DPS.
Running Alkosh and Powerful assault as main tank is hard but not out of the question. Paulington told me that Hodors tanks both run that when they do vMoL.4 -
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Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.Edited by Dr_Ganknstein on March 24, 2017 2:22AM2 -
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Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.1 -
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✭paulsimonps wrote: »
Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.
went fine. now what?1 -
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✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »
Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.
went fine. now what?
Whatever man, all talk no proof, not gonna engage a troll like you any more. Try actually tanking and contributing in a veteran trial, better yet a veteran Hardmode trial and you won't be saying Ebon is a bad set much longer. Selfish tanking is no tanking at all.7 -
ifDoubtNerfIt✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.
went fine. now what?
Whatever man, all talk no proof, not gonna engage a troll like you any more. Try actually tanking and contributing in a veteran trial, better yet a veteran Hardmode trial and you won't be saying Ebon is a bad set much longer. Selfish tanking is no tanking at all.
@paulsimonps you can expect that attitude from a dps only. They are already thinking of themselfs as "gods" or whatever because they pull those 40k+ ePenises out. So they think of themself if they can go with those numbers without "contributing" to the group in any ways (for example BSW), that it works the same with tanking and healing. They are not trolls, just special snowflakes.3 -
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✭Haters gonna hate. Ebon sucks. If that 1k health is what makes or breaks your group then I suggest you practice more.5 -
Gordon906✭✭✭Haters gonna hate. Ebon sucks. If that 1k health is what makes or breaks your group then I suggest you practice more.
What armor do you even use? Let me guess, plague doctor? Booboo you can survive for a few more seconds when all your teammates are all dead and you're getting ganked while everyone watches you die.2 -
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✭Haters gonna hate. Ebon sucks. If that 1k health is what makes or breaks your group then I suggest you practice more.
What armor do you even use? Let me guess, plague doctor? Booboo you can survive for a few more seconds when all your teammates are all dead and you're getting ganked while everyone watches you die.
I'm running a top secret build but I can tell you that Plague Doctor is not a part of it. Why is everyone dying if the tank is still alive? ltaggro. I'm in the final stages of having my ESO strategy guide published; I'll send you a copy for free.2 -
Gordon906✭✭✭Haters gonna hate. Ebon sucks. If that 1k health is what makes or breaks your group then I suggest you practice more.
What armor do you even use? Let me guess, plague doctor? Booboo you can survive for a few more seconds when all your teammates are all dead and you're getting ganked while everyone watches you die.
I'm running a top secret build but I can tell you that Plague Doctor is not a part of it. Why is everyone dying if the tank is still alive? ltaggro. I'm in the final stages of having my ESO strategy guide published; I'll send you a copy for free.
Sure, if you say so.4 -
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✭Pretty much all top end guilds will have a tank running Ebon/Alkosh and one running Powerful Assault/Alkosh.
Ebon buff is necessary for end game content. Just like worms is.
You need to be putting out as much dps as possible so most players will run with 17k hp (they should have about that with undaunted mettle and heavy armor passives with 5-1-1). With ebon armor, that goes up to 18k and with warhorn up they will have around 19.5k-20k hp. That is what keeps them alive and still pushing out maximum dps.
If you are struggling to survive with less than 30k hp, then its not the gear's fault. As a matter of fact, the off-tank running Powerful Assault/Alkosh will have more like 24k hp.Make PC NA raiding great again!
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
pspaulsimonps wrote: »
Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.
went fine. now what?
Whatever man, all talk no proof, not gonna engage a troll like you any more. Try actually tanking and contributing in a veteran trial, better yet a veteran Hardmode trial and you won't be saying Ebon is a bad set much longer. Selfish tanking is no tanking at all.
@paulsimonps you can expect that attitude from a dps only. They are already thinking of themselfs as "gods" or whatever because they pull those 40k+ ePenises out. So they think of themself if they can go with those numbers without "contributing" to the group in any ways (for example BSW), that it works the same with tanking and healing. They are not trolls, just special snowflakes.
A dps would know that 1k health and the ability to spent that bonus health into more damage while still having around 18k health with Ebon bonus - which is just the value that usually prevents oneshots - is priceless.
So from the comments he is just a special snowflake.Edited by Flameheart on March 24, 2017 5:09PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
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✭Flameheart wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
pspaulsimonps wrote: »
Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.
went fine. now what?
Whatever man, all talk no proof, not gonna engage a troll like you any more. Try actually tanking and contributing in a veteran trial, better yet a veteran Hardmode trial and you won't be saying Ebon is a bad set much longer. Selfish tanking is no tanking at all.
@paulsimonps you can expect that attitude from a dps only. They are already thinking of themselfs as "gods" or whatever because they pull those 40k+ ePenises out. So they think of themself if they can go with those numbers without "contributing" to the group in any ways (for example BSW), that it works the same with tanking and healing. They are not trolls, just special snowflakes.
A dps would know that 1k health and the ability to spent that bonus health into more damage while still having around 18k health with Ebon bonus - which is just the value that usually prevents oneshots - is priceless.
So from the comments he is just a special snowflake.
That 1k isn't what is preventing one shots. You can swap out the ebon set and you won't notice a difference. I used to run ebon.... but then I evolved. I would tell you my build but its been patented and I do not own the rights to it. Posting it here would put me in violation of the NDA I had to sign.1 -
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✭✭For any Vteran trial Ebon is a 1st choice and other set can be Alkosh/Tava Favor/Dragon etc.
Plague Doctor is just there to help beginners doing vet Dungeons!Edited by Lord_Eomer on March 24, 2017 5:53PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Flameheart wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
pspaulsimonps wrote: »
Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.
went fine. now what?
Whatever man, all talk no proof, not gonna engage a troll like you any more. Try actually tanking and contributing in a veteran trial, better yet a veteran Hardmode trial and you won't be saying Ebon is a bad set much longer. Selfish tanking is no tanking at all.
@paulsimonps you can expect that attitude from a dps only. They are already thinking of themselfs as "gods" or whatever because they pull those 40k+ ePenises out. So they think of themself if they can go with those numbers without "contributing" to the group in any ways (for example BSW), that it works the same with tanking and healing. They are not trolls, just special snowflakes.
A dps would know that 1k health and the ability to spent that bonus health into more damage while still having around 18k health with Ebon bonus - which is just the value that usually prevents oneshots - is priceless.
So from the comments he is just a special snowflake.
That 1k isn't what is preventing one shots. You can swap out the ebon set and you won't notice a difference. I used to run ebon.... but then I evolved. I would tell you my build but its been patented and I do not own the rights to it. Posting it here would put me in violation of the NDA I had to sign.
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Gordon906✭✭✭Coincidence? I've seen many dps and maybe healers dropping to a few pixel of health several times and managed to survive some heavy hits... now I'm wondering if I'm a good tank for wearing ebon.1
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haha, what are you onFlameheart wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
pspaulsimonps wrote: »
Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.
went fine. now what?
Whatever man, all talk no proof, not gonna engage a troll like you any more. Try actually tanking and contributing in a veteran trial, better yet a veteran Hardmode trial and you won't be saying Ebon is a bad set much longer. Selfish tanking is no tanking at all.
@paulsimonps you can expect that attitude from a dps only. They are already thinking of themselfs as "gods" or whatever because they pull those 40k+ ePenises out. So they think of themself if they can go with those numbers without "contributing" to the group in any ways (for example BSW), that it works the same with tanking and healing. They are not trolls, just special snowflakes.
A dps would know that 1k health and the ability to spent that bonus health into more damage while still having around 18k health with Ebon bonus - which is just the value that usually prevents oneshots - is priceless.
So from the comments he is just a special snowflake.
That 1k isn't what is preventing one shots. You can swap out the ebon set and you won't notice a difference. I used to run ebon.... but then I evolved. I would tell you my build but its been patented and I do not own the rights to it. Posting it here would put me in violation of the NDA I had to sign.
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haha, what are you onFlameheart wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
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Its only 1k health. Get over yourself, stop being jealous. That was Vet RoM solo. Much better sets out there for groups.
No really, go tank a Veteran Trial. Solo builds on a veteran dungeon is not the same as 12 man group tanking a Veteran Trial Boss. Please go into Veteran Hel Ra as a Blazeplar and tell me how it goes.
went fine. now what?
Whatever man, all talk no proof, not gonna engage a troll like you any more. Try actually tanking and contributing in a veteran trial, better yet a veteran Hardmode trial and you won't be saying Ebon is a bad set much longer. Selfish tanking is no tanking at all.
@paulsimonps you can expect that attitude from a dps only. They are already thinking of themselfs as "gods" or whatever because they pull those 40k+ ePenises out. So they think of themself if they can go with those numbers without "contributing" to the group in any ways (for example BSW), that it works the same with tanking and healing. They are not trolls, just special snowflakes.
A dps would know that 1k health and the ability to spent that bonus health into more damage while still having around 18k health with Ebon bonus - which is just the value that usually prevents oneshots - is priceless.
So from the comments he is just a special snowflake.
That 1k isn't what is preventing one shots. You can swap out the ebon set and you won't notice a difference. I used to run ebon.... but then I evolved. I would tell you my build but its been patented and I do not own the rights to it. Posting it here would put me in violation of the NDA I had to sign.
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