Does plague doctor give more health than green pact?

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Does plague doctor give more health than green pact?

I have 35k hp with Green Pact and tri-stat food without spending a single health point into Attributes.
All attribute points into Stamina (27k).
With 2-nd set crafted Torug's Pact supporting my lesser version of Master Sword.

To me Green Pact is a great set for tank.
My stats:

@Gargath

Hey bud! IIRC- you and I had a long conversation about perfecting a build around the Master's Sword. Did you ever try 5 Knight's Errant, 5 Torug, and 1 Troll King (or Sentinel)?

I'd imagine it'd have heals for daaaaaaaaaays.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Ebon you would be surprised how many DPS need that extra 1k health cause they can't be bothered to put anything into health.

Tell me about it, any stories will be appreciated

This is lol because my Templar tank uses both

I use 5 Ebon 5 Tava 2 Bloodspawn or 2 Lord Warden on my DK tank. 1L/1M/5H, divines on the small armor pieces, infused on the big ones and shield, prismatic defense on everything, defending weapons. He has 30.5K spell resistance and 27K physical resistance, almost 28K health and i've found it's enough for PvE content. I only buff my magicka and magicka recovery, to 18.3K and 1.5K respectively, using a drink. I have full stamina build, which amounts to about 24K stamina. One-shots will be one-shots even with 50K health if you don't block or dodge the respective mechanics. Having stamina to dodge and bash or magicka to shield/root/cc/chain pull enemies is way more important than having loads of health. In fact I die for lack or resources for the above way more frequently than I die for not having enough health to survive attaks. I slot Barrier on the front bar for the passive that boosts my magicka recovery even more, and for situations where people take a lot of damage in a short time, but I usually spend my ultimate using the warhorn on the back bar. I can generate enough ultimate to use that every 45-50s. If the healer also uses it there's basically 100% stat buff uptime during boss fights. Ebon is 1K health, and warhorn stat boost is another 1.3K health buff on average for DDs and healers. With the undaunted passives, even the squishiest ones still sit at 18-19K health during those fights. So the health buff rom Ebon and high warhorn uptime from the ultimate generation (Tava, Bloodspawn, heroic slash, earthen heart class abilities) are key to group survival in the hardest fights. Being a punching bag with low resources and group utility is just bad.

CarbonX wrote: »

Anyone uses Alkosh on tank builds?

As offset, almost every tank that does Trials, both offtank and main tank

In dungeons, you can also use Powerful Assault, Tava's, Sanctuary or <insert group buff set here> with Ebon

Asardes wrote: »

Taking into account the current DPS meta, meaning full magicka or at most one or two stamina DDs especially in trials Alkosh is not that useful. Meaning mobs and bosses have 18200 resistance from which you subtract:
- 5160 from sharpened weapons
- 4884 Concentration LA passive
- 5280 Major breach/fracture from Elemental Drain (healer) or Pierce Armor (tank)
- 1320 Minor breach/fracture from Power of the Light (healer)
- 1200 crusher enchantment from tank/healer
Which give a total of 17884, leaving just 356 resistance to be overcome by other means, meaning only a ~0.5% DPS increase from any Alkosh procs removing the remaining mitigation. In my opinion Alkosh is mostly useless unless you run a stamina heavy trial group, which you wouldn't anyway if you cared about score.

The problem with your math is that unless your tank is running Infused+5p Torug's Pact you will not have 100% uptime on Crusher and its not easy to get full uptime on Power of the light either seeing as its sometime that has to be done every 6s and in some situations healer have to, you know, heal. So Alkosh in combination with all of things you listed gives you a much higher up time on the buffs/debuffs necessary to bring the boss to 0 Resistance. Another thing is that the Alkosh if aimed right and used properly can hit multiple enemies. So if the bosses have adds or during trash pulls you can give out a large debuff. PotL will not be on all enemies and neither will crusher, but a good tank can hit a lot of targets with a well placed Alkosh.

Now if you had a pure 100% magicka DPS group and you only cared about the DPS on the bosses themselves then I would say let your main tank go with Ebon and Torugs and you would have 100% uptime, or close to it at least, on Crusher and the crusher would give around 2,400 in debuff, and btw gold Cp 160 crusher gives default 1622 debuff not 1200. Problem is that the crusher has a 10s cooldown and only a 5s duration. So unless you have Infused+Torugs you will not have a good uptime on it. Obviously you still want to run crusher cause in combination with Alkosh you get a good combined uptime on these debuffs.

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.

Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.

Gordon906 wrote: »

Dark_Aether wrote: »

Dunmer Templar here, got bored with dps and I've been trying tanking in Blood Spawn, Tava's and Green Pact. I'm sitting at 35k HP, 10k mag and 20k stam (only CP245) with 2k stam regen, 1k hp and mag. I have Warhorn and bone shield up all day. I got in some pretty bad groups and was still able to get them back up as boss beat on me because they kept dying standing in red.

Templars don't make very good stam tank and sustaining stamina can be a pain. Especially when you don't get the resource benefit from DK ult passives.

Quite the opposite, I have infinite sustain. A little something called repentance for trash mobs and heavy attacks on bosses.

Powerful Assault and Alkosh with Bloodspawn can tank any dungeon and is common in vet trials.

Icky wrote: »

Ebon sucks. Wow you give your group an extra 1k health.. big whoop. I beat Chudan on vet solo on my blazing shield tank.

Have you tanked a trial as your Blazeplar? Have you tanked a veteran trial as one? Done vHRC HM? Cause if you had I don't think you would be saying Ebon sucks. Maybe try something a bit harder than Vet trial before speaking about gear?

paulsimonps wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Taking into account the current DPS meta, meaning full magicka or at most one or two stamina DDs especially in trials Alkosh is not that useful. Meaning mobs and bosses have 18200 resistance from which you subtract:
- 5160 from sharpened weapons
- 4884 Concentration LA passive
- 5280 Major breach/fracture from Elemental Drain (healer) or Pierce Armor (tank)
- 1320 Minor breach/fracture from Power of the Light (healer)
- 1200 crusher enchantment from tank/healer
Which give a total of 17884, leaving just 356 resistance to be overcome by other means, meaning only a ~0.5% DPS increase from any Alkosh procs removing the remaining mitigation. In my opinion Alkosh is mostly useless unless you run a stamina heavy trial group, which you wouldn't anyway if you cared about score.

The problem with your math is that unless your tank is running Infused+5p Torug's Pact you will not have 100% uptime on Crusher and its not easy to get full uptime on Power of the light either seeing as its sometime that has to be done every 6s and in some situations healer have to, you know, heal. So Alkosh in combination with all of things you listed gives you a much higher up time on the buffs/debuffs necessary to bring the boss to 0 Resistance. Another thing is that the Alkosh if aimed right and used properly can hit multiple enemies. So if the bosses have adds or during trash pulls you can give out a large debuff. PotL will not be on all enemies and neither will crusher, but a good tank can hit a lot of targets with a well placed Alkosh.

Now if you had a pure 100% magicka DPS group and you only cared about the DPS on the bosses themselves then I would say let your main tank go with Ebon and Torugs and you would have 100% uptime, or close to it at least, on Crusher and the crusher would give around 2,400 in debuff, and btw gold Cp 160 crusher gives default 1622 debuff not 1200. Problem is that the crusher has a 10s cooldown and only a 5s duration. So unless you have Infused+Torugs you will not have a good uptime on it. Obviously you still want to run crusher cause in combination with Alkosh you get a good combined uptime on these debuffs.

Yep, I checked when I got home. The values I found on the Internet were outdated, as the enchant got buffed. And about the uptime I was not relying merely on the tank. Normally trial groups have 2 healers, one of which is running SPC+WC, the other one SPC+IA. IA requires a fully charged heavy attack to proc. That attack also has the potential to proc the enchantment on the respective staff. So you have 2 people applying the debuff, on the boss, probably at different times. There's not complete overlap, so the uptime is higher. Alkosh has a hidden cooldown, because synergies themsleves have cooldowns. It's also difficult to keep that up. The advantage it that it allso adds a DoT and debuffs multiple targets. One disadvantage for the tank is that it brings no useful buffs for himself because it's a DD set. It's also a medium set and it may be difficult to match it with other tanking sets. Running Powerful Assault with Alkosh is also out of the question on a main tank because both are medium sets and medium armor has no passives useful for a tank. You can have a melee DD running both to buff and debuff and off-tank some of the adds in some situations, but that may be not justified from an overall survivability and group DPS.