OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Shalnark wrote: »

you all should have the knowledge to say that what he

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

About these parses: This is without a doubt one of the most skilled players I have ever played with. I see why people find it hard to believe 57K Runner/Catcher but I had the priviledge of raiding with Failer and seen it myself. I hope there is a video with screenshot showing up soon cause this jelous BS needs to stop. (Although I do enjoy it a tiny bit)
It is truly a great loss to our guild and the game to lose such a great player...

if only it was correct..
57.559 x 332,7 = 19.149.879,3 .. check his total dmg now.

And like this one, i saw soo many parses (posted in guild chat) where the numbers didnt match at all. And it happens only to him? Cause everybody else have pretty ok ish parses.

Also someone said you have better group dps basing on 1st vMoL boss. Do you know that you had the shield bug twice? it means that someone in your group had at least 300k dps for few seconds. And,even with this bug, i'm sorry to disappoint you, but your kill is almost the same as ours, without bug though.

I respect you guys, but you are only flaunting your "dps superiority". Size matters i agree, but what you have proven yet, is nothing special.

Thank you for still trying to keep the respect, and I do the same as well. I can't speak for everyone here, but for my point of view, the reason we show the dps is not to brag, but to show that there is nothing wrong. And telling that the dps is too good to be true, is in that case something special. The group dps is nothing special, it is more then average in the game, but nothing special. You guys have the leaderboards and experience and years of stable group, which is harder to achieve then anything else here in this game.

My post is about end game in general. We have no videos about our groups, but lately we got alot of requests and players want to know what exactly is going on in our raids, so here we are posting. And first two comments I get is troll memes and then mashi attacks me with disrespectful posts. I have honestly done nothing wrong in this case other then supporting guildmembers and friends. If the dps Srslyfailer is doing, is too good to be true, then on his behalf (if thats a proper sentence XD ) we thank you for the compliment, that the most successful guilds out there are reacting that way on some dps numbers.

If the case is as followed, that our group dps are good but srslyfailer is pulling so high number and its legit, that shows that the other 7 dds are way behind what they should have been. That show for me, that me among others have to work harder to achieve better group dps, and I take that as constructive critism.

Again, there is not or have never been any intention from me to harm anyone, but as a grown up man here, I do not appretiate people making fun of me and attacking me or my guild members personally unless there is a good reason for it.

As mashi mentioned he lost the respect for us, I personally asked him in pm if it was before or after my salty comment. It was a small "burn" from my side, but not any worse then the "burns" we have recieved lately. Btw, Im still wondering if the lack of respect was before or after my comment. Because if it was after that comment, I appologize for making players feel bad becasue of what I was saying. But if it was before that, I really do not see the reason at all, as we have done nothing wrong other then supporting and proving what we are actually doing in a legit way.

Shalnark wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Shalnark wrote: »

you all should have the knowledge to say that what he

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

About these parses: This is without a doubt one of the most skilled players I have ever played with. I see why people find it hard to believe 57K Runner/Catcher but I had the priviledge of raiding with Failer and seen it myself. I hope there is a video with screenshot showing up soon cause this jelous BS needs to stop. (Although I do enjoy it a tiny bit)
It is truly a great loss to our guild and the game to lose such a great player...

if only it was correct..
57.559 x 332,7 = 19.149.879,3 .. check his total dmg now.

And like this one, i saw soo many parses (posted in guild chat) where the numbers didnt match at all. And it happens only to him? Cause everybody else have pretty ok ish parses.

Also someone said you have better group dps basing on 1st vMoL boss. Do you know that you had the shield bug twice? it means that someone in your group had at least 300k dps for few seconds. And,even with this bug, i'm sorry to disappoint you, but your kill is almost the same as ours, without bug though.

I respect you guys, but you are only flaunting your "dps superiority". Size matters i agree, but what you have proven yet, is nothing special.

Thank you for still trying to keep the respect, and I do the same as well. I can't speak for everyone here, but for my point of view, the reason we show the dps is not to brag, but to show that there is nothing wrong. And telling that the dps is too good to be true, is in that case something special. The group dps is nothing special, it is more then average in the game, but nothing special. You guys have the leaderboards and experience and years of stable group, which is harder to achieve then anything else here in this game.

My post is about end game in general. We have no videos about our groups, but lately we got alot of requests and players want to know what exactly is going on in our raids, so here we are posting. And first two comments I get is troll memes and then mashi attacks me with disrespectful posts. I have honestly done nothing wrong in this case other then supporting guildmembers and friends. If the dps Srslyfailer is doing, is too good to be true, then on his behalf (if thats a proper sentence XD ) we thank you for the compliment, that the most successful guilds out there are reacting that way on some dps numbers.

If the case is as followed, that our group dps are good but srslyfailer is pulling so high number and its legit, that shows that the other 7 dds are way behind what they should have been. That show for me, that me among others have to work harder to achieve better group dps, and I take that as constructive critism.

Again, there is not or have never been any intention from me to harm anyone, but as a grown up man here, I do not appretiate people making fun of me and attacking me or my guild members personally unless there is a good reason for it.

As mashi mentioned he lost the respect for us, I personally asked him in pm if it was before or after my salty comment. It was a small "burn" from my side, but not any worse then the "burns" we have recieved lately. Btw, Im still wondering if the lack of respect was before or after my comment. Because if it was after that comment, I appologize for making players feel bad becasue of what I was saying. But if it was before that, I really do not see the reason at all, as we have done nothing wrong other then supporting and proving what we are actually doing in a legit way.

I thought you guys had the experience to distinguish a legit parse to a fake one. I even made calcs, but you just ingored it

Anyway, for me it's enough.. let's compete out of this BS forum posts

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Flak wrote: »

@OrphanHelgen First of all sorry to hear that you lost a friend, it seems that many progressive guilds have issues at the moment to keep their groups together. People are complaining that there is no content but on the other hand it's extremely rare to find a leaderboard where there isn't a big gap between #1 and #2 so I don't know, if people are not motivated to compete with other guilds for a topscore you can hardly call them progressive players. I agree though that we are in need for fresh content but as I remember ZOS announced that there will be one trial/year and I think that is quite good, just remember the days when none of the trials were scaled to maxlevel after the IC release, endgame raiding was basically dead.
I'm also lacking motivation to do the daily pledges and some other stuff but I guess it's natural after ~250 days playtime in a game. What I don't get is why on all of these discussions there has to be a battle between endgame and casual players, is Tamriel not big enough? If you're having fun in the game you're playing it the right way, and I'm saying that as a guy who's raiding 5 evenings a week. But if people find fun in doing something else it's their damn choice.

Maybe people would have taken your post more serious if you didn't try to show off, I don't think that DPS of some people really matters in this discussion.

Thanks flak. You are right, morrowind are right around the corner, and it was maybe the wrong time to post such subject, allthough my main point was that increase hp on monsters and make it months and months of "new end game content", is a cheap solution. I also remember the reason CP got implemented, so players felt constant progression through their mmo experience. If no new content comes and players become more and more powerful, I understand the rage about cp. But if we get new content with the character progress, it is balanced. So far, they increasing hp on already content and make that a valid new end game content for a long period of time, and the new content that have been released lately, are purely towards their personal money income and not towards the quality of the game (in my opinion). Don't get me wrong, housing are amazing to have in a mmo, but I feel they could weave it in towards other balance patches.

Like I also mentioned, I got 39 more cp and lost 3k dps. If there was a clear reason to nerf, I would understand. But I used poisoned serpent set in a heavy attack build, and I have honestly seen no one uses that. I also used sunderflame, which was also a set that you rarely saw someone used. Two advantage I had with that set, was that on DW heavy attack, the fire dmg procced twice, and it could also crit. Both of those was changed in homestead patch, and it can no longer crit and fire dmg procs only once. Making it from 1k dps down to 250 dps in my build.

Was this too powerful? Was in a problem or a qq on the forums? I haven't seen it atleast, yet they nerf it without a clear reason why. So from my point of view, even with sleeper build and non meta setup, I still get nerfed with multiple k's of dps.

Woeler wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

smithist wrote: »

Can you elaborate on what have thus been nothing but vagueposts? You seem very convinced about something but it's not clear what. I'm actually curious

It's not a complicated concept. ESO is an RPG. If you aren't playing a role in some fashion, then you aren't playing the game right. Sure, people pay their own money and they can play how they want. They can log in and spin in circles for all I care. But the OP has the gall to call people that don't have a role-play bone in their body the "best" players.

Sorry, but no. These players are not the best - no more than a golfer that tries to putt with his nose.

I heard the new raid coming with Morrowind was implemented just to trigger you.

In all seriousness, at least, for as far as that is still possible

LMAO. Also, I always go throw mudballs at roleplayers in Wayrest when I'm waiting for the raid to start.

Rickter wrote: »

This post was written from a completely PvE perspective. and these "top players" are only going to be as good as their last hit. 2 months is a long time in this game. there was a time i knew everyone in the top 10 PvE leaderboards. now, i recognize half of them. meaning: yeah people leave the game, so what? they will be replaced and life goes on.

they arent leaving the game because there's no progression, they are leavingthe game because they are getting burned out. Go buy a homestead. become a decorator. go PvP, the gameplay is usually very dynamic (meaning it changes a lot and is rarely the same) ((this includes sewers and city)). go do DB, TG, WG, quests and dailies. go play the auction house and become a world start trader. go get master angler. like seriously, it is NEVER this game's fault that you quit.

You make YOU want to quit. there is too much to do in this game. If only one thing interests you and you get burnt out, thats on you. ESO was probably not meant for you to begin with.

peniku8 wrote: »

came here and read the first page like

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

We just lost one of our best players because of disconnects and end game priorities. Customer supports are not taken seriously. It's almost like the answer are auto replies based on the subject. The best players will keep dropping out. If game continues like this, the meta will have a lower standard.

These are not the "best" players. You're talking about min-maxers, here. The kind of people that don't understand MMORPGs to begin with.

Good riddance.

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

We just lost one of our best players because of disconnects and end game priorities. Customer supports are not taken seriously. It's almost like the answer are auto replies based on the subject. The best players will keep dropping out. If game continues like this, the meta will have a lower standard.

These are not the "best" players. You're talking about min-maxers, here. The kind of people that don't understand MMORPGs to begin with.

Good riddance.

Wow ill go get my 10 buckets of popcorn gor all that salt you currently have lmao thats pretty silly to say they dont understand an mmorpg since the game basically revolves around them finding out high hitting builds and broken things that zos wont catch until long after theyre in the game. Thid game would be totally different if all the theory crafters decided to take a break or leave everyone would be running around in galerions revenge heavy attacking things and gettin like 15k dps saying ohhh look at the pretty colorsXD

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

I'd justmlike to pointnout that the topic of thisnthread appeared to be aimed at zos fr nt taking care of glaring gameplay issues. Judging by where the comments are comming from and where they're aimed at with non-sequitar appreaches to incite megative feedback we csn really see where the 'toxicity' of the playerbase is comming from.

Hey I tried!! I really did. But yeah. These are the problems we face. Roleplayers regarding min-maxers as toxicity, and min-maxers throwing mudballs at the roleplayers. Round and round it goes.

I'll try and say it one last time before I throw my hands up in the air. If it weren't for every single one of us, no matter how we play the game, then the game would not exist. The home building types and roleplayers are the ones spending crowns to keep the game financed, the 'min-maxers' are there to get the loot and contribute to the in game economy. The crafters and traders keep the min-maxers AND the home builders / roleplayers in gear, potions and furniture. Without every single component the game would fall apart. And here we are bickering like children, and flat out inciting negative attitudes towards each other with our actions.

/sadface

Pallio wrote: »

Well regardless of all the opinions here, people are dropping like flies, lost over half of my guild so far, people angry over nerfs, ignored bugs and tired of waiting for anything to be fixed. Game is in the toilet and we are all just waiting for someone to pull the handle.

Except RPERS, they love it, housing seems to have bend made just for them, since it has no actual functionality like storage or anything.

Blanco wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

I have a friend who has come back from beta solely BECAUSE of the thieves guild and housing expansions. He's had the game for over 3 years and is still a level 38 Khajjit Skooma addict with a den now that he can build and stuff he can pinch to pay for his habit. In my opinion he is one of the 'best players' in the game because he's always friendly, always happy, and loves the game as it is now. We 'lost' him a long time ago due to the lack of the old Elder Scrolls feel, but now he's back.

That really doesn't matter because he isn't one of the best players. He isn't even level 50.

By your logic literally anyone can be the best player , and that is just beyond absurd.

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

There's many sides to the story, and many definitions of 'best players'

No there is not. I hope you realize how silly you sound