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Losing the best players due to the current end game priority
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I disagree completely. Min-maxers are the bane of every MMO. If you look through the forums posts, even today's, you will find threads where players are complaining about rudeness in PvP and getting kicked from groups. Who do you think is perpetrating these behaviours? It's the min-maxers - the people who don't grasp the point of RPGs. We're better off without them.Logicbomb00 wrote: »This is not a good attitude that helps the game in any way. Everyone's entitled to the way they enjoy the game AS LONG AS they respect the way others enjoy the game.
Why would raids have leader boards if the point of the game wasn't to compete for high scores? How would one achieve a high score without min-maxing?
Rather than being jealous of players who are better than you, try to get better and reach their level. Making salt-filled posts like this one makes you look petty.Edited by MLGProPlayer on March 18, 2017 5:45AM9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
It's not a complicated concept. ESO is an RPG. If you aren't playing a role in some fashion, then you aren't playing the game right. Sure, people pay their own money and they can play how they want. They can log in and spin in circles for all I care. But the OP has the gall to call people that don't have a role-play bone in their body the "best" players.Can you elaborate on what have thus been nothing but vagueposts? You seem very convinced about something but it's not clear what. I'm actually curious
Sorry, but no. These players are not the best - no more than a golfer that tries to putt with his nose.
I was looking for the role playing leader boards. I couldn't find them. Can you help me?Edited by MLGProPlayer on March 18, 2017 5:50AM15 -
Logicbomb00✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I disagree completely. Min-maxers are the bane of every MMO. If you look through the forums posts, even today's, you will find threads where players are complaining about rudeness in PvP and getting kicked from groups. Who do you think is perpetrating these behaviours? It's the min-maxers - the people who don't grasp the point of RPGs. We're better off without them.Logicbomb00 wrote: »This is not a good attitude that helps the game in any way. Everyone's entitled to the way they enjoy the game AS LONG AS they respect the way others enjoy the game.
Why would raids have leader boards if the point of the game wasn't to compete for high scores? How would one achieve a high score without min-maxing?
Just because you're jealous of players who are better than you at a game doesn't mean you can change the rules of the game to make yourself look better.
AAAAAAAAAARRRGGHHHHHHH
You are not better than anyone! You have just put in the time to be better at the way you enjoy the game!! Roleplayers don't care about leaderboards just as much as the leaderboard players don't care about roleplaying. I bet you they've put in the time to be better than you at market trade and manipulation (it goes on) or talking up some comely high elf in a tavern. But they're not better than anyone either!!
There is a leaderboard there to cater to those that care about it. I've never looked at one personally except the weekly trials to see where I am (if I am). But there are taverns in Tamriel to cater to those that like taverns (I am so stereotypicalising). Why would they exist if the point of the game wasn't to sit inside and /say a ton of stuff that other people sporadically run into.
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reesenorman✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I disagree completely. Min-maxers are the bane of every MMO. If you look through the forums posts, even today's, you will find threads where players are complaining about rudeness in PvP and getting kicked from groups. Who do you think is perpetrating these behaviours? It's the min-maxers - the people who don't grasp the point of RPGs. We're better off without them.Logicbomb00 wrote: »This is not a good attitude that helps the game in any way. Everyone's entitled to the way they enjoy the game AS LONG AS they respect the way others enjoy the game.
Why would raids have leader boards if the point of the game wasn't to compete for high scores? How would one achieve a high score without min-maxing?
Rather than being jealous of players who are better than you, try to get better and reach their level. Making salt-filled posts like this one makes you look petty.
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Logicbomb00✭✭✭✭Logicbomb00 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I disagree completely. Min-maxers are the bane of every MMO. If you look through the forums posts, even today's, you will find threads where players are complaining about rudeness in PvP and getting kicked from groups. Who do you think is perpetrating these behaviours? It's the min-maxers - the people who don't grasp the point of RPGs. We're better off without them.Logicbomb00 wrote: »This is not a good attitude that helps the game in any way. Everyone's entitled to the way they enjoy the game AS LONG AS they respect the way others enjoy the game.
Why would raids have leader boards if the point of the game wasn't to compete for high scores? How would one achieve a high score without min-maxing?
Just because you're jealous of players who are better than you at a game doesn't mean you can change the rules of the game to make yourself look better.
AAAAAAAAAARRRGGHHHHHHH
You are not better than anyone! You have just put in the time to be better at the way you enjoy the game!! Roleplayers don't care about leaderboards just as much as the leaderboard players don't care about roleplaying. I bet you they've put in the time to be better than you at market trade and manipulation (it goes on) or talking up some comely high elf in a tavern. But they're not better than anyone either!!
There is a leaderboard there to cater to those that care about it. I've never looked at one personally except the weekly trials to see where I am (if I am). But there are taverns in Tamriel to cater to those that like taverns (I am so stereotypicalising). Why would they exist if the point of the game wasn't to sit inside and /say a ton of stuff that other people sporadically run into.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Logicbomb00 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I disagree completely. Min-maxers are the bane of every MMO. If you look through the forums posts, even today's, you will find threads where players are complaining about rudeness in PvP and getting kicked from groups. Who do you think is perpetrating these behaviours? It's the min-maxers - the people who don't grasp the point of RPGs. We're better off without them.Logicbomb00 wrote: »This is not a good attitude that helps the game in any way. Everyone's entitled to the way they enjoy the game AS LONG AS they respect the way others enjoy the game.
Why would raids have leader boards if the point of the game wasn't to compete for high scores? How would one achieve a high score without min-maxing?
Just because you're jealous of players who are better than you at a game doesn't mean you can change the rules of the game to make yourself look better.
AAAAAAAAAARRRGGHHHHHHH
You are not better than anyone! You have just put in the time to be better at the way you enjoy the game!! Roleplayers don't care about leaderboards just as much as the leaderboard players don't care about roleplaying. I bet you they've put in the time to be better than you at market trade and manipulation (it goes on) or talking up some comely high elf in a tavern. But they're not better than anyone either!!
There is a leaderboard there to cater to those that care about it. I've never looked at one personally except the weekly trials to see where I am (if I am). But there are taverns in Tamriel to cater to those that like taverns (I am so stereotypicalising). Why would they exist if the point of the game wasn't to sit inside and /say a ton of stuff that other people sporadically run into.
You can't be objectively better than someone else at role playing.
You can be objectively better than someone else at raiding.4 -
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Logicbomb00 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
I disagree completely. Min-maxers are the bane of every MMO. If you look through the forums posts, even today's, you will find threads where players are complaining about rudeness in PvP and getting kicked from groups. Who do you think is perpetrating these behaviours? It's the min-maxers - the people who don't grasp the point of RPGs. We're better off without them.Logicbomb00 wrote: »This is not a good attitude that helps the game in any way. Everyone's entitled to the way they enjoy the game AS LONG AS they respect the way others enjoy the game.
Why would raids have leader boards if the point of the game wasn't to compete for high scores? How would one achieve a high score without min-maxing?
Just because you're jealous of players who are better than you at a game doesn't mean you can change the rules of the game to make yourself look better.
AAAAAAAAAARRRGGHHHHHHH
You are not better than anyone! You have just put in the time to be better at the way you enjoy the game!! Roleplayers don't care about leaderboards just as much as the leaderboard players don't care about roleplaying. I bet you they've put in the time to be better than you at market trade and manipulation (it goes on) or talking up some comely high elf in a tavern. But they're not better than anyone either!!
There is a leaderboard there to cater to those that care about it. I've never looked at one personally except the weekly trials to see where I am (if I am). But there are taverns in Tamriel to cater to those that like taverns (I am so stereotypicalising). Why would they exist if the point of the game wasn't to sit inside and /say a ton of stuff that other people sporadically run into.
You can't be objectively better than someone else at role playing.
Actually, you can. :P
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✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
These are not the "best" players. You're talking about min-maxers, here. The kind of people that don't understand MMORPGs to begin with.OrphanHelgen wrote: »We just lost one of our best players because of disconnects and end game priorities. Customer supports are not taken seriously. It's almost like the answer are auto replies based on the subject. The best players will keep dropping out. If game continues like this, the meta will have a lower standard.
Good riddance.
Why don't you go ahead and explain MMORPG's to us min-maxers? Just for *** and giggles.
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wonder how many of he people who post "make ESO harder it's too easy" are the same ones who post "WHY YOUR NERF CP FFS GAME WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE!!!" that would be interesting to know...
Guess I will start checking peoples post history for some interesting debates.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭I wonder how many of he people who post "make ESO harder it's too easy" are the same ones who post "WHY YOUR NERF CP FFS GAME WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE!!!" that would be interesting to know...
Guess I will start checking peoples post history for some interesting debates.
Thank the divines there is no gap between overland/ delves and vet MoL in diffculty. And thank the tribunal that not one player likes to see progression while leveling up.4 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭O_o Why is everyone jumping down OP's throat when he was/is being nothing but nice and considerate to others?
In the common sense of the word, "best" in a game would be referring to someone who's good at achieving best results within the rules of the game(in this case that would be completing the content flawlessly and getting top numbers/scores - we have objective leaderboards results for that). For example if someone says "X is the best chess player in the world" everyone is probably going to assume X can win 99/100 his games against anyone, not that he tells the best jokes or shares cookies while playing. It doesn't mean you can't prefer playing with Y who shares cookies and sucks at actual chess but, you know, it doesn't make Y "best" chess player (in the common sense of the word).
Also it's really funny and sad to see people come to a thread where OP specifically states he understands the importance of different gamestyles but thinks the one he prefers is currently lacking and he finds it sad and concerning, and tell him how his playstyle is wrong and bad for the game and players like him are all jerks and toxic and whatnot. You guys don't see the irony in that? Maybe you should look in the mirror, metaphorically speaking?
OP, I don't know you, and I haven't run Trials for nearly a year(and was only on the leaderboards a couple of times even back when I did run them), but I agree it's sad, and I'm sorry you lost a friend/team member
For what it's worth, at least they haven't nerfed latest pieces of challenging content like they did with previous ones(yet) and that's good. I think they're adding a new trial with Morrowind so that's something?
CP balance is a sad story, if they let them keep making you stronger(which was the originally idea and I understand how sense of progression is good), the content is going to become wayyyyy too easy for you and they'll be hard pressed to either release new more challenging content...or nerf you. I'd say the CP system seems to kind of backfired at them, doesn't seem they're capable of keeping up with all the constant changes it brings/requires.7 -
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✭✭Trials dlc needed. Send us to Akavir. I hear there are some nasty serpents that need killing. Monkey people sound pretty mustard too.PC Master Race
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✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
It's not a complicated concept. ESO is an RPG. If you aren't playing a role in some fashion, then you aren't playing the game right. Sure, people pay their own money and they can play how they want. They can log in and spin in circles for all I care. But the OP has the gall to call people that don't have a role-play bone in their body the "best" players.Can you elaborate on what have thus been nothing but vagueposts? You seem very convinced about something but it's not clear what. I'm actually curious
Sorry, but no. These players are not the best - no more than a golfer that tries to putt with his nose.
Dude. I am playing an old woman in a bikini that is pale af. She farts lightning balls and electrocutes people. Not to mention the fact that she throws huge crystals around, preferably into faces. And all that while also being super elite trained and equipped (min maxed). How much more RPG can you beSusano'o
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✭✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
It's not a complicated concept. ESO is an RPG. If you aren't playing a role in some fashion, then you aren't playing the game right. Sure, people pay their own money and they can play how they want. They can log in and spin in circles for all I care. But the OP has the gall to call people that don't have a role-play bone in their body the "best" players.Can you elaborate on what have thus been nothing but vagueposts? You seem very convinced about something but it's not clear what. I'm actually curious
Sorry, but no. These players are not the best - no more than a golfer that tries to putt with his nose.
Dude. I am playing an old woman in a bikini that is pale af. She farts lightning balls and electrocutes people. Not to mention the fact that she throws huge crystals around, preferably into faces. And all that while also being super elite trained and equipped (min maxed). How much more RPG can you be
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Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭My problem with the casual crowd is that nobody harasses them about the way they play unless they're being disruptive toward others. Yet they feel the need to constantly be in the way of other players' gameplay experience. They want caps, they want cp nerf? Okay. Cool, take away all the goodies that help you where you struggle. And then what? That'll just make the elite more elite amd the bad even worse. The *** these people ask for is essentially cutting off your nose to spite your face.2 -
alanmatillab16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Also losing a fair amount of top tier players due to this games PvE magicka only dps. Stamina is so far behind in every aspect. I have been playing since launch and I can only remember 2 patches where stamina was considered better dps. the other 90% of this games life its either magicka dps, or dont come.
There is the problem with MMOs now, it is all about being top of the damage meters.5 -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »Also losing a fair amount of top tier players due to this games PvE magicka only dps. Stamina is so far behind in every aspect. I have been playing since launch and I can only remember 2 patches where stamina was considered better dps. the other 90% of this games life its either magicka dps, or dont come.
There is the problem with MMOs now, it is all about being top of the damage meters.
Yea we need a trial where everyone just stands in lava and whoever can heal for the longest wins... or somethingPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
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Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »Also losing a fair amount of top tier players due to this games PvE magicka only dps. Stamina is so far behind in every aspect. I have been playing since launch and I can only remember 2 patches where stamina was considered better dps. the other 90% of this games life its either magicka dps, or dont come.
There is the problem with MMOs now, it is all about being top of the damage meters.
And there's nothing wrong with that. buffing damage helps underperforming races/classes/people complete and advance through the content so that more people can eventually complete it.
Wanna throw a wrench in the gears? Add mechanics.0 -
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✭History repeats itself. It's the same for every MMO. It's "hardcore" in the beginning and it keeps being challenging content. But after a couple of years, the game is dumped down into eternity, to make new people start the game. And it's no secret that roleplayers / casuals > Hardcore / Competitive people in terms of population & money-gained for ZoS.
So naturally, they make the game easier to constantly have a new flow of players that starts the game. Sad, but true. Happens to every MMO. Almost.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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✭ZOS needs to do better in all categories . . . they can start with ensuring smooth nearly-lag-free gameplay. Ever since the last patch my ping is like the movement of waves. Up to 130 down to 566 then bottoming out at 999+ then suddenly back up to 130, then the slow descent. Okay so that's not exactly waves, but it is erratic and predictably frustrating. I've learned to play the game with lag cause it's constantly around now. I'm sick of it . . . what keeps me playing is my love of ESO''s gameplay and environment and the connections to other people I make, but the technical execution has been very poor.1 -
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✭✭u rly discuss now some words chosed by the te....Lieblingsjunge wrote: »And it's no secret that roleplayers / casuals > Hardcore / Competitive people in terms of population & money-gained for ZoS.
Is it like that?
I mean casuals and roleplayers might be the bigger amount of people, but even though i never expected it, i recognized some of the "elite" players beeing those, who put in the most private money into this game for costumes, abo+, crown crates, flashy mounts and so on...
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✭Logicbomb00 wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »I'd justmlike to pointnout that the topic of thisnthread appeared to be aimed at zos fr nt taking care of glaring gameplay issues. Judging by where the comments are comming from and where they're aimed at with non-sequitar appreaches to incite megative feedback we csn really see where the 'toxicity' of the playerbase is comming from.
Hey I tried!! I really did. But yeah. These are the problems we face. Roleplayers regarding min-maxers as toxicity, and min-maxers throwing mudballs at the roleplayers. Round and round it goes.
I'll try and say it one last time before I throw my hands up in the air. If it weren't for every single one of us, no matter how we play the game, then the game would not exist. The home building types and roleplayers are the ones spending crowns to keep the game financed, the 'min-maxers' are there to get the loot and contribute to the in game economy. The crafters and traders keep the min-maxers AND the home builders / roleplayers in gear, potions and furniture. Without every single component the game would fall apart. And here we are bickering like children, and flat out inciting negative attitudes towards each other with our actions.
/sadface
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Loc2262✭✭✭✭✭SublimeSparo wrote: »Yea we need a trial where everyone just stands in lava and whoever can heal for the longest wins... or something
Sounds like Valkyn Skoria "elite mode", without platforms.
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✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »You don't see 57k on rakkath with meteor catch and backyard running every day.
You are right, we do not see that every day
Certainly haven't seen on PS4.. Xbox?
Don't worry @OrphanHelgen, people leave; come and go all the times, but they'll come back. They always come back. Wait till Morrowind.. you'll see, your "best" players will come back.1 -
OrphanHelgen wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »For my own personal reason I'm staying with the game, is to keep the effort of having stable raid groups, not because I'm always enjoying the end game content itself.
If you are not enjoying it anymore, maybe it's better to take a break. ESO will still be there if you want to play again in a few months.
Yeah, I usually only do writs and regular raiding. I stopped dungeons and farming. Been playing abit skyrim reworked lately and some real life nature
Some real life nature?
What, for the love of all divines, is that?! Is it some kind of hidden zone in ESO only for high level, experienced players?Edited by LordMitchell123 on March 18, 2017 1:47PMPC EU0 -
L2Pissue✭✭✭✭✭many of you need to look at the mirror for 5 minutes and remember what they've accomplished in their life and where they belong in society
then you may come back to this video game forum and read your previous reply and feel good about yourself
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