The evidence from the pts to live shows why I'm saddened ZOS has control of my beloved tamriel. It clearly shows on the pts the intent was to be exploitative, they toned it down after community complaints, now it is just exploitative enough to be controversial but accepted, even hyped hehe.

I am only still playing because I love the world and lore so much.
But if ZOS ever tears down the projects and puts up high priced condos in my tamriel, I'll be out. It sucks that to enjoy a TES game I have to do it under the crushing corporate jackboot of ZOS.

It's sad that the people who like the crates literally can't make a thread about it without a train of Negative Nancies marching on to spoil everyone's day.

I mean, on one level I can understand why people are against the crates, but on another level I realize that ZOS has to make money on the game somehow now that subscriptions are no longer mandatory. Basically, they got rid of the mandatory subscriptions, but still have to make money SOMEHOW or else they won't bother supporting the game any longer, so they encourage people to buy from the Crown Store, and find ways to encourage people to want voluntary subscriptions. Honestly, it's better than being forced into a mandatory monthy subscription.

And I'm one of those people who like mystery grab-bags. So sue me.

AlMcFly wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

In before the negative Nancys!

I'm super excited about tomorrow.

You want everyone to support gambling?

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Uh, people are excited for the new round of rip off? Really?

I concur with the previous comment about fools and money.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

MAYBE I wouldn't consider it a rip off if you got more gems for duplicate crap, but come on, $300 and I didn't get what I was looking for, and still didn't have enough gems to buy it either?

Granted, perhaps RNG just wasn't on my side, but honestly, to put up real money for RNG? Not this cowboy. Im done wasting money on a rip off.

I'm just going to say this to everyone here: Don't blame the system for your lack of self-control. Gambling is just a leisure activity. A hobby, just like any other hobby. When you willingly choose to participate in the act of gambling, you accept the risk of not receiving ANY profit or preferred payout. Whining about it, as if it's the system's fault, just makes you look childish.

There is nothing inherently negative about the act of gambling. The major problem with gambling, is that many gamblers are poor losers.

I actually have no trouble with self control, addiction, or gambling.
I pretty much bought those 90 crates as a test, I just wanted to see if they would end up being worth it. My data gave me the conclusion they are a rip off. For anyone who thinks otherwise, more than welcome to have that opinion.
I was just posting my findings. I'm done with them completely, not because I'm a sore loser, but because the risk far outweighs any reward.

Your answer is reasonable. I just take issue with your use of the word "rip-off". Rip-off has an actual definition, it is not a compound word whose definition changes relative to opinion. To "Rip-Off" is the act of committing fraud or swindling. As both "fraud" and "Swindle" are also legally defined and measurable terms, you make a bold claim when you use the words "Rip-Off". Crown Crates are not a Rip-Off. They are exactly as advertised. A box that gives you a chance at a pool of items.

You may think the definition of Rip-Off is relative and opinion-based. You are 100% wrong.

Ok, I don't want to argue, really I don't. But to call me wrong is, well, wrong.
Look up the definition and usage of the term rip off, you will be surprised to note I used it appropriately. It is not exclusively tied to criminal fraud.

Example: Sally, you really shouldn't have wasted so much money on that dress just because it has a brand name on the label, it's a rip off.

Anyway, not really the point of this thread, and if you want, just carry on thinking I'm wrong, it's ok. We can agree to disagree and the world will keep on turning brother

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

You know what has been a big hit with nerds and geeks?
LOOT CRATES, MYSTERY BOXES!!!

Your sarcasm is showing. How ironic that I'm sure there are a bunch of people you know personally who call you a "nerd" just for playing ESO.

Yeah ...

*Rolls eyes*

SydneyGrey wrote: »

It's sad that the people who like the crates literally can't make a thread about it without a train of Negative Nancies marching on to spoil everyone's day.

I mean, on one level I can understand why people are against the crates, but on another level I realize that ZOS has to make money on the game somehow now that subscriptions are no longer mandatory. Basically, they got rid of the mandatory subscriptions, but still have to make money SOMEHOW or else they won't bother supporting the game any longer, so they encourage people to buy from the Crown Store, and find ways to encourage people to want voluntary subscriptions. Honestly, it's better than being forced into a mandatory monthy subscription.

And I'm one of those people who like mystery grab-bags. So sue me.

AlMcFly wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

In before the negative Nancys!

I'm super excited about tomorrow.

You want everyone to support gambling?

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Uh, people are excited for the new round of rip off? Really?

I concur with the previous comment about fools and money.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

MAYBE I wouldn't consider it a rip off if you got more gems for duplicate crap, but come on, $300 and I didn't get what I was looking for, and still didn't have enough gems to buy it either?

Granted, perhaps RNG just wasn't on my side, but honestly, to put up real money for RNG? Not this cowboy. Im done wasting money on a rip off.

I'm just going to say this to everyone here: Don't blame the system for your lack of self-control. Gambling is just a leisure activity. A hobby, just like any other hobby. When you willingly choose to participate in the act of gambling, you accept the risk of not receiving ANY profit or preferred payout. Whining about it, as if it's the system's fault, just makes you look childish.

There is nothing inherently negative about the act of gambling. The major problem with gambling, is that many gamblers are poor losers.

I actually have no trouble with self control, addiction, or gambling.
I pretty much bought those 90 crates as a test, I just wanted to see if they would end up being worth it. My data gave me the conclusion they are a rip off. For anyone who thinks otherwise, more than welcome to have that opinion.
I was just posting my findings. I'm done with them completely, not because I'm a sore loser, but because the risk far outweighs any reward.

Your answer is reasonable. I just take issue with your use of the word "rip-off". Rip-off has an actual definition, it is not a compound word whose definition changes relative to opinion. To "Rip-Off" is the act of committing fraud or swindling. As both "fraud" and "Swindle" are also legally defined and measurable terms, you make a bold claim when you use the words "Rip-Off". Crown Crates are not a Rip-Off. They are exactly as advertised. A box that gives you a chance at a pool of items.

You may think the definition of Rip-Off is relative and opinion-based. You are 100% wrong.

The definition of rip-off is a lot less precise than you seem to think. Here's the definition from one source:

rip-off


/ˈrip ˌôf/


noun
informal

noun: rip-off; plural noun: rip-offs; noun: ripoff; plural noun: ripoffs




a fraud or swindle, especially something that is grossly overpriced.
"designer label clothes are just expensive rip-offs"


synonyms: fraud, cheat, deception, swindle, confidence trick; More
informalcon, scam, flimflam, gyp, rip, gouge, shakedown, bunco


"the insurance policy turned out to be a rip-off"




•an inferior imitation of something.
"rip-offs of all the latest styles"


Note the part that I put in bold. That's the sense in which the term rip-off is being used in relation to crown crates, and it is entirely subjective whether something is "grossly overpriced", but in my subjective opinion because of the number of crown crates you need to buy to have a good chance (or a guarantee) of getting an item you want, "grossly overpriced" applies to crown crates.

[SNIp]
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Tapio75 wrote: »

The marketing department on ZOS has succesfully ported the gamble crates from Star Trek Online.
You hope theres that shiny and rare thing inside but theres just the old rusty spoon in different shapes... When you have finally bought about 5 years worth of crates, you actually get the cool item you thought was so great.

Meanwhile, you eat dry vread and drink water because you just gave ZOS money to kmake more actual content .. Or more likely added to shareholders purse :P

ok....everybody stop buying crates or over priced crown store items........

*game shuts down*


......maybe I shoulda bought a crate. LMFAO.



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This thread made me excited lol

LuminaLilly wrote: »

I'm not crazy,about the crown crate items, now, if the cloud cat is part of the crates, I'm all,for it.

We shall see!!!!!!!!!!!!

These kind of threads might be a good spot to troll for people to invite to poker games. Hmmm......

Jaeysa wrote: »

I'm kind of excited - will be more excited if there's a crown sale soon One can dream.

It would be nice to see one of these threads and not see people act like they are the worst things ever. Yes, it's gambling. For pixelated items. It's fun and as long as you're not spending rent money, who cares what others spend money on?

Couldn't have said it better. LETS just wait and see whats in there.......if its trash then........ehhhh feel free to rage. We been waitin like what 4 months for this?

Abeille wrote: »

Jaeysa wrote: »

I'm kind of excited - will be more excited if there's a crown sale soon One can dream.

It would be nice to see one of these threads and not see people act like they are the worst things ever. Yes, it's gambling. For pixelated items. It's fun and as long as you're not spending rent money, who cares what others spend money on?

Nobody cares about what people do with their money. We who dislike the addition care that this behavior is enabling the game to go on the same direction that other MMOs we played went too, and we don't want the game to go this direction because it directly affects our enjoyment.

But it is like I said on my previous comment. A lot - if not most - of the opposition is because this is commonly a F2P transition strategy, meaning that it is something that is added before a game is converted from B2P to F2P. However, with the announcement of Morrowind and the fact that it didn't follow GW2's footsteps, meaning ZOS didn't decide to make the game F2P with the release of an Expansion Pack (this is important), we were able to calm down a little. At least it doesn't seem that ZOS will follow that dreaded path, for now. It can still happen if the Crates become their main source of income by a landslide, but it seems that we might have more time than we anticipated at first.

I still do not like them because of this risk, but so far I can breathe.

I think with the additions of chapters and the fact you have to pay for DLCs or a subscription they're making more money that way. Would be interesting to see the breakdown, actually - where their money comes from, et cetera.

True, in my 90 box test, I got a total of 7 argonian face spikes. I have zero argonian characters.
The face spikes were a major contributor to my gem collection though which I never got enough of to buy anything I wanted, but oh well. Experiments yield their own reward in knowledge.

Yeah, depends if theres anything good on offer. I hate the soul shriven track suit, so hopefully all rewards change