Siphoneer wrote: »

So a couple of days ago I was trying to complete WGT vet with a friend of mine whos a great tank (shout out if your reading this buddy ) we were at the first boss and struggling a bit because of those damn cages, I find the first boss the hardest as well because of the lockpicking. People were continously leaving except me and my friend leaving comments such as 'imbeciles' and 'yall suck' I dont see why comments like that are necessary but moving on I finally FINALLY got into a wgt vet group but unfortunately without my friend since he wasnt online. Throughout the whole dungeon they were addressing me as the 'scrub' yeah I was lower CP then them but I did pretty well and only died a couple of times to mistakes just like them so Im proud of myself on that. Anyway so while I was looting the second to last boss and they were ahead they started talking on chat with stuff like ""'wheres the scrub?' And 'we dont need him anyway' it was actually kinda hurtful, I wanted to quit so bad but I thought pushed on to get the Molag Kena helm Ive been waiting days for, I thought maybe I'd confront my group members at the end.
So we breezed through the final boss with only a couple of deaths (funnily enough they werent me most of the time)
I said to the group leader 'hey next time dont call people scrubs its disencouraging and behold the whole group resorted to calling me names and saying I was just light attacking and doing 'nothing'. I immediately quit the group after that because I got what I came for but seriously dont judge a player by his or her CP role or class or whatever, I know we've all done it, Ive looked at a nightblade tank or a dragonknight healer thinking 'this will be interesting' but honestly Im a little upset about how players treat eachother in dungeons. Vet is frustrating and sometimes some players just arent ready but theres no reason to start calling names and lower players 'scrubs' you were there once, we all were.

If you're one of the group members I was with and you're reading this dont treat the next player that does a dungeon with you like that, dont call him or her names, dont make him or her feel inferior because of his or her CP level. Rant over.

We get pissed because we sit in a q for 2 hrs just to get a group that dosent know their own class nor the content. I've spent days trying to do a single pledge it's ridiculous. I can carry dps when I'm dpsing but if I roll my healer or tank..it's a freakin nightmare. Most just stand in red and light attack. I'm starting to think it's a big joke. All I can say is... I've had the same damn pledges on my healer for a week... a week! Please run normal mode until you have a clue of your class first, then the content.

Siphoneer wrote: »

So a couple of days ago I was trying to complete WGT vet with a friend of mine whos a great tank (shout out if your reading this buddy ) we were at the first boss and struggling a bit because of those damn cages, I find the first boss the hardest as well because of the lockpicking. People were continously leaving except me and my friend leaving comments such as 'imbeciles' and 'yall suck' I dont see why comments like that are necessary but moving on I finally FINALLY got into a wgt vet group but unfortunately without my friend since he wasnt online. Throughout the whole dungeon they were addressing me as the 'scrub' yeah I was lower CP then them but I did pretty well and only died a couple of times to mistakes just like them so Im proud of myself on that. Anyway so while I was looting the second to last boss and they were ahead they started talking on chat with stuff like ""'wheres the scrub?' And 'we dont need him anyway' it was actually kinda hurtful, I wanted to quit so bad but I thought pushed on to get the Molag Kena helm Ive been waiting days for, I thought maybe I'd confront my group members at the end.
So we breezed through the final boss with only a couple of deaths (funnily enough they werent me most of the time)
I said to the group leader 'hey next time dont call people scrubs its disencouraging and behold the whole group resorted to calling me names and saying I was just light attacking and doing 'nothing'. I immediately quit the group after that because I got what I came for but seriously dont judge a player by his or her CP role or class or whatever, I know we've all done it, Ive looked at a nightblade tank or a dragonknight healer thinking 'this will be interesting' but honestly Im a little upset about how players treat eachother in dungeons. Vet is frustrating and sometimes some players just arent ready but theres no reason to start calling names and lower players 'scrubs' you were there once, we all were.

If you're one of the group members I was with and you're reading this dont treat the next player that does a dungeon with you like that, dont call him or her names, dont make him or her feel inferior because of his or her CP level. Rant over.

You are not kidding me either, just tonight I was doing banished cells to and people flipped out on me for dying at the end of the female boss the hardest of the dungeon, at the end because the tank apparently did not have taunt, and they all called me names it was ignorant and stupid considering I was the only one doing tons of dps since i kept getting agroed from the boss to everything else, I am a freaken stamsorc and we had a magicka sorc for crying outloud in cp levels, not to mention everyone else was much higher then me. Anyways I kept dying at the end because the harpies would kill me. I mean holy crap seriously, not to mention the healer kept healing their friends instead of me when I was the one getting the agro! They have to nerve to tell me I am *** and need to learn the game and they cannot figure out why I was getting all the agro Rant off!

Would it be so hard to have maybe a toggle included in the activity finder to join groups with say 160cp+ only? That way we can possibly limit the kicking of the champion point challenged from dungeons?

I've run dungeons with groups that continue to stand in the red even when asked to mind not standing in them, but I've also seen groups take the advice. Sometimes it's hard finishing a dungeon with a bunch of lvl 10s, but sometimes it's just a breeze. I guess some lvl 10s have 561 CP, making the dungeon easy after all. If I see I'm grouped with people with high CP, cool. If they're all low lvl, we may still breeze through, depending on whether people know what they're doing.

I think I left out on a low lvl group once, but that was because they were just bumbling around, consistently standing in red and dps pulling like no tomorrow.

@Asardes - you're totally right, unfortunately. The first 160 cps fall as quickly and easily as spring rain onto players, and even without any real learning curve you can get there quickly. This does not mean that every player with 160 cps or less is an idiot, but there are indeed some people running around with 200+ cp who still have to learn how to play.

@Siphoneer - you're totally right when it comes to people calling names and being rude just due to you having low cp (you never mentioned how "low" they are, btw - I'm wondering). But two things in your story sound a bit fishy. First, I have never seen a whole group calling a member "scrub" when he is performing well, even on a low cp-level (one player can always be rude, but a whole group???). Second: Even if they regarded you as inferior, your group members didn't kick you although DDs are really easy to replace. So obviously they were willing to carry you (from their perspective). And after you finished the dungeon and complained about them calling you scrub ...

Siphoneer wrote: »

the whole group resorted to calling me names and saying I was just light attacking and doing 'nothing'.

Again, the name-calling is unnecessary and rude, but obviously every other group member was seeing the same problem in your playstyle. Were they possibly right?

You never mentioned your dps in your whole story or your skills, rotation or build, only the fact that you didn't die much more than everybody else in this specific group and that you failed on every other run before. So whatever those people did and however rude they seemed to you, they definitely brought you through the whole vet dungeon and up to your final reward where every other time and with all other people you wiped at the first boss.

Maybe they expected a thankyou from you, not a complaint.

SolarCat02 wrote: »

One of my friends organized a veteran Hel Ra Citadel run yesterday, pulled a full group together except for the second healer. One guy said he had a healer, pass him crown... And suddenly my friend was booted from the group. He asked what happened, and was told he wasn't at the CP cap so nobody would take him seriously, and this guy refused to run with him.

Moral of the story: Never, ever, give up crown to a PUG player.

Frankly, I hate it when pugs pass me crown as the group Tank without asking. The person forming the raid is the leader, not me!

Greevir wrote: »

Would it be so hard to have maybe a toggle included in the activity finder to join groups with say 160cp+ only? That way we can possibly limit the kicking of the champion point challenged from dungeons?

I would be for this if it was not for the fact dps roles have a hard time as it is looking for dungeon groups.

If it would be in my hands I would build a wall between low CP players and 350+

Low CP players don't do dps, they die too much, they don't know play and is waste of time do a dungeon with them when you can do it 4 times more faster with 500 CP players.

CosmicSoul wrote: »

You are not kidding me either, just tonight I was doing banished cells to and people flipped out on me for dying at the end of the female boss the hardest of the dungeon, at the end because the tank apparently did not have taunt, and they all called me names it was ignorant and stupid considering I was the only one doing tons of dps since i kept getting agroed from the boss to everything else, I am a freaken stamsorc and we had a magicka sorc for crying outloud in cp levels, not to mention everyone else was much higher then me. Anyways I kept dying at the end because the harpies would kill me. I mean holy crap seriously, not to mention the healer kept healing their friends instead of me when I was the one getting the agro! They have to nerve to tell me I am *** and need to learn the game and they cannot figure out why I was getting all the agro Rant off!

1. The healer cannot choose whom they heal - there are no targeted heals in ESO - with the exception of targeted AOEs (like combat prayer) and even then it heals anyone in the cast area. The healer is most likely dropping healing springs, and you're either opting not to stand in it, or ignorant of the healers capabilities and not realizing whats going on. (Not to mention you're a stamsorc, and it's a normal dungeon, you are perfectly capable of healing yourself.)
I can only imagine what was happening there - but heres a guess - you got aggro and panic ran, dragging the boss out of the mage's AoE making him have to recast, and making the tank chase you down to regrab aggro - you were ignoring the healer's springs making him have BoL and burn through his resources - and you were incapable of keeping your crit surge up, or lacking resources leading to add groups killing you - As a stam sorc, you know what a group of harpies means? It means free self heals ... crit surge, hurricane, steel tornado - you're hp will top itself off, and the mobs will melt, if you're playing the class properly. I'd bet you weren't using potions and food properly either. But all that's just guessing.

2. It's quite simple not to die in that fight ... don't stand in red. keep your crit surge up - throw up your ward if you have it. In 4 man content with an underleveled group - one member dying could mean a wipe, and frustration inevitably ensues. Not excusing rude comments, but a little self awareness goes a long way.

3. "Kept dying" suggests to me that your death contributed to having to repeat the fight a number of times - clearly your teammates are going to be frustrated. And many players are young to begin with so they're not exactly going to express their frustrations in a cogent and respectful manner.


Basically what this whole topic boils down to is this -

If you're an experienced player running in pick up groups, expect that other team members do not have the experience that you do and will probably do things that make your job and the dungeon more difficult than it has to be. In these instances, it is best to try to maintain a modicum of decorum, and express your frustration in a respectful manner - and if possible, simply explain to the erring player what they should be doing - but do so with humility and grace.

If you're not an experienced player, you should understand that other players berating you are not always doing so simply because they are ****s... but it is quite possible that you are doing something completely wrong, ignoring important mechanics, are unprepared for the content, or are willfully ignorant of the requirements of your role. No matter how information is conveyed, whether rude or not, try to absorb the lesson lurking therein and use it to play your class and the content more effectively. You cannot control other people's behavior - you can only control your reaction to it.

myven wrote: »

Why is there posts here with excuses for such behavior... It's beyond me... This has nothing to do with dungeon mechanics, CP or otherwise. It's about how you treat your fellow players, and name calling and behave in such way, it's not ok.

I've experienced and seen this type of behavior many times, and I am getting fed up by it. And this is Not only behavior of younger players but older as well.

How hard can it be, to be nice?

It's not hard to be nice. I can say unequivocally that I've never berated another player in this game. It's never even crossed my mind to do so really - but I'm old school ... I tend to treat people online the same as if they were standing in front of me.

And I'm not excusing rude behaviors - however I too often see posts that decry the way some players react to wipes as if it occurs in a vacuum and that player is just generally a horrible person ... a horrible person they may be, but in many if not most of these cases there is some culpability to be allocated to the victimized gamer that is rarely or ever acknowledged. You hear things like "I was doing the most DPS and died once and then they went off on me... " I've run uncounted dungeons and pick up groups and I've seen my fair share of rude behavior, and without excusing the method in which a message is imparted, I will say that in fully 100% of the instances I've encountered this- including when it was directed at me, the target of the rude player's ire invariably did something wrong or silly or odd. And I have a hard time with the fact that my experience in game is so divergent from what I see on forums where invariably the victimized player was playing perfectly and being amazing and simply caught beef because some other player was just a tool.

I have no problem with people saying "rude behavior is wrong in dungeons"
I do have a problem with people saying "rude behavior is wrong in dungeons, because this one time someone was rude to me and I was the best player on the team!"