The way some people treat 'lower cp' players is appaling

Siphoneer

So a couple of days ago I was trying to complete WGT vet with a friend of mine whos a great tank (shout out if your reading this buddy ) we were at the first boss and struggling a bit because of those damn cages, I find the first boss the hardest as well because of the lockpicking. People were continously leaving except me and my friend leaving comments such as 'imbeciles' and 'yall suck' I dont see why comments like that are necessary but moving on I finally FINALLY got into a wgt vet group but unfortunately without my friend since he wasnt online. Throughout the whole dungeon they were addressing me as the 'scrub' yeah I was lower CP then them but I did pretty well and only died a couple of times to mistakes just like them so Im proud of myself on that. Anyway so while I was looting the second to last boss and they were ahead they started talking on chat with stuff like ""'wheres the scrub?' And 'we dont need him anyway' it was actually kinda hurtful, I wanted to quit so bad but I thought pushed on to get the Molag Kena helm Ive been waiting days for, I thought maybe I'd confront my group members at the end.
So we breezed through the final boss with only a couple of deaths (funnily enough they werent me most of the time)
I said to the group leader 'hey next time dont call people scrubs its disencouraging and behold the whole group resorted to calling me names and saying I was just light attacking and doing 'nothing'. I immediately quit the group after that because I got what I came for but seriously dont judge a player by his or her CP role or class or whatever, I know we've all done it, Ive looked at a nightblade tank or a dragonknight healer thinking 'this will be interesting' but honestly Im a little upset about how players treat eachother in dungeons. Vet is frustrating and sometimes some players just arent ready but theres no reason to start calling names and lower players 'scrubs' you were there once, we all were.

If you're one of the group members I was with and you're reading this dont treat the next player that does a dungeon with you like that, dont call him or her names, dont make him or her feel inferior because of his or her CP level. Rant over.

Curtdogg47

Some people are just pricks!!

Panth141

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Some people are just pricks!!

Absolutely this.

All the more so as your chosen description isn't picked up by the profanity filter!

smashcats

(from a low cp players dps perspective)

The conclusion I've come to is that there must be some inherent damage bonus you get when you're higher cp allowing you to do better dps than a low cp, causing the higher cp's to hate on me.

I've got good gear and max elemental expert on my mag sorc pve and yeah...this happens to me all the time because my dps is abysmal and that's the only thing I can think of to blame it on lol.

Valderis

Higher CP does make you more effective in several ways, no arguing that. But you're going to have to accept players will always use some stat as a measure of ability or experience. Grouping Tool randomizes who you play with. If someone doesn't want to play with you, or vice versa, its entirely their/your decision.

Nasty comments aside, you're always going to find people looking for a certain role types to join their group and preface with 'must know fights', 'good dps' and 'CP at least X' and its simply the endless struggle between more advanced players and newer or lesser experienced players.

I'd recommend finding a fair-sized, active PvE guild where you can find friendly, willing, helpful players to group and learn with.

There is a guild recruitment category and I suggest having a look through to find the player resource you're looking for!

Mojmir

I don't treat people bad because of their cps, I treat them bad when act like tards.

Diminish

The way you were treated was obviously not right. WGT was recently the pledge though, so it probably had an influx of players using Activity Finder to get a group to run it. I wouldn't be surprised if those that you grouped with had already attempted to PUG it, and obviously failed. Perhaps this happened numerous times, who knows... That can put people on edge, especially with group finder being as random as the RNG in the game. Perhaps they had a series of bad attempts due to the fault of someone they saw inferior in ability. Perhaps they had those fresh low level CP characters stepping into vWGT for the first time get matched with them. I doubt they were simply an *** from the get go.

This doesn't excuse their behavior by any means... What I am getting at is to not take it personal. Its a game; enjoy it! My last run in vWGT ended in many deaths on my squishy stam sorc. Nobody plays perfect. The Group Finder team I had stuck it out, nobody harped on anyone else, and we cleared it. I played way worse than I normally would on my DK. There are friendly people out there, don't let a couple people that felt like portraying themselves as an elitist get to you.

Diminish

Valderis wrote: »

Higher CP does make you more effective in several ways, no arguing that. But you're going to have to accept players will always use some stat as a measure of ability or experience. Grouping Tool randomizes who you play with. If someone doesn't want to play with you, or vice versa, its entirely their/your decision.

Nasty comments aside, you're always going to find people looking for a certain role types to join their group and preface with 'must know fights', 'good dps' and 'CP at least X' and its simply the endless struggle between more advanced players and newer or lesser experienced players.

I'd recommend finding a fair-sized, active PvE guild where you can find friendly, willing, helpful players to group and learn with.

There is a guild recruitment category and I suggest having a look through to find the player resource you're looking for!

I agree, and I also don't blame people for not wanting to run any of the DLC dungeons with an inexperienced player(s). I really don't think that we should have queue options we can set. Like minimum / maximum CP level. I have see very good low CP players, but their ability to survive and play well does not always make up for everything; especially with DPS roles. I don't personally want to be smacking a boss around on vet hard mode for 45 minutes because the DPS do not have somewhat optimal builds. I've literally stopped DPS'ing trash ads in vWGT just to see how much damage the other DPS is actually doing, and to watch their rotation, etc. A lot of low CP characters I ran vWGT/vICP/vCoS/vRoM with (or at least attempted to anyways) would take a good 5 minutes fighting a single trash ad because their DPS and/or rotation was so bad they did hardly any damage. I've watched DPS literally LIGHT ATTACK with a bow 100% of the time. These are people I do not want to run these dungeons with. Not because they are a "scrub" or anything, but because I value my gaming time.

I think ZoS really needs to put more effort into Activity Finder to try and prevent situations like the above from occurring. It discourages the entire group when this type of thing occurs.

Siphoneer

Mojmir wrote: »

I don't treat people bad because of their cps, I treat them bad when act like tards.

You shouldnt treat anyone badly

Siphoneer

Diminish wrote: »

Valderis wrote: »

Higher CP does make you more effective in several ways, no arguing that. But you're going to have to accept players will always use some stat as a measure of ability or experience. Grouping Tool randomizes who you play with. If someone doesn't want to play with you, or vice versa, its entirely their/your decision.

Nasty comments aside, you're always going to find people looking for a certain role types to join their group and preface with 'must know fights', 'good dps' and 'CP at least X' and its simply the endless struggle between more advanced players and newer or lesser experienced players.

I'd recommend finding a fair-sized, active PvE guild where you can find friendly, willing, helpful players to group and learn with.

There is a guild recruitment category and I suggest having a look through to find the player resource you're looking for!

I agree, and I also don't blame people for not wanting to run any of the DLC dungeons with an inexperienced player(s). I really don't think that we should have queue options we can set. Like minimum / maximum CP level. I have see very good low CP players, but their ability to survive and play well does not always make up for everything; especially with DPS roles. I don't personally want to be smacking a boss around on vet hard mode for 45 minutes because the DPS do not have somewhat optimal builds. I've literally stopped DPS'ing trash ads in vWGT just to see how much damage the other DPS is actually doing, and to watch their rotation, etc. A lot of low CP characters I ran vWGT/vICP/vCoS/vRoM with (or at least attempted to anyways) would take a good 5 minutes fighting a single trash ad because their DPS and/or rotation was so bad they did hardly any damage. I've watched DPS literally LIGHT ATTACK with a bow 100% of the time. These are people I do not want to run these dungeons with. Not because they are a "scrub" or anything, but because I value my gaming time.

I think ZoS really needs to put more effort into Activity Finder to try and prevent situations like the above from occurring. It discourages the entire group when this type of thing occurs.

As long as you dont call people names lol

Rune_Relic

smashcats wrote: »

(from a low cp players dps perspective)

The conclusion I've come to is that there must be some inherent damage bonus you get when you're higher cp allowing you to do better dps than a low cp, causing the higher cp's to hate on me.

I've got good gear and max elemental expert on my mag sorc pve and yeah...this happens to me all the time because my dps is abysmal and that's the only thing I can think of to blame it on lol.

It is the way the buff stacking system works.
It is a vertical progression system rather than a horizontal one.
Even scaled a maxed out vet using all buffs will be 4x as viable as a new player.

I have already offered a way to fix this so that any player at any stage is viable via auto-gimping opposing stats when buff stacking.
Until then...bigots will ruin your life and use that imbalance as an excuse to be an arse.

I cant stop an arse being an arse.
I cant make ZOS change the game.
I can only hope the problem gets fixed and offer ways to do that.

Mojmir

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I don't treat people bad because of their cps, I treat them bad when act like tards.

You shouldnt treat anyone badly

They shouldn't make it so easy

Asardes

What does exactly mean "low CP" in this case? I've completed VWGT with a CP 200 DD. It was not a smooth run, because he didn't know the mechanics, but we finished HM for pledge because the others were more experienced and explained them to him. IC dungeons can be completed on HM by groups averaging about 250-300 CP, provided that the players have good coordination. On the other hand even max CP players can fail miserably if they play badly.

Tyrion87

I always add such rude and mean people to my ignore list. So good this list is not that long...

But your thread reminded me about a situation where I was looking for a group for vet Ruins of Mazzatun pledge via zone chat. It was before One Tamriel so the CP cap was 531. I was 526 CP back then and experienced in this dungeon, having all the associated achievements, including hard mode, no death run and speed run. All completed on 160CP. I also had Stormproof. Suddenly I noticed someone looking for 1 DD for this dungeon. I whispered. I was asked for linking HM achievement and my CP so I answered. Then I got a message: you're too weak, we're looking for 531CP to maximize DPS. If only 5 CPs made any difference lol...

So good this game has much more amazing people with whom you can be friends. That's why I don't care about such as**oles and when I meet them I just laugh and move on.

RoyalPink06

Kids can be so cruel. I hate that elitist mentality, but it's a free country (wherever you are playing from) and haters gon' hate. What gets me though, is higher CP are always so exclusively looking for higher CP to run things with, which is fair, but at the same time, just because you have high CP doesn't make you a good player or a nice person. Max CP can give you the numbers, sure, but if you don't know the mechanics and you don't pay attention, you are gonna die. You could have a group of max CP and still have a terrible run, especially in WGT.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is, don't let jerks get to you! Find a good guild and get to know some of the more active people, you will have a much better time of it. Not sure if you're on console or PC, but if you're on PS4 NA hit me up, I got a couple of truly awesome guilds I could get you an invite to.

Ankael07

Okay we get it there are evil people out there. Just ignore or report if you deem necessary and move on. There are thread after thread about these and thats not why I follow the forums.

Kelces

Siphoneer wrote: »

So a couple of days ago I was trying to complete WGT vet with a friend of mine whos a great tank (shout out if your reading this buddy ) we were at the first boss and struggling a bit because of those damn cages, I find the first boss the hardest as well because of the lockpicking. People were continously leaving except me and my friend leaving comments such as 'imbeciles' and 'yall suck' I dont see why comments like that are necessary but moving on I finally FINALLY got into a wgt vet group but unfortunately without my friend since he wasnt online. Throughout the whole dungeon they were addressing me as the 'scrub' yeah I was lower CP then them but I did pretty well and only died a couple of times to mistakes just like them so Im proud of myself on that. Anyway so while I was looting the second to last boss and they were ahead they started talking on chat with stuff like ""'wheres the scrub?' And 'we dont need him anyway' it was actually kinda hurtful, I wanted to quit so bad but I thought pushed on to get the Molag Kena helm Ive been waiting days for, I thought maybe I'd confront my group members at the end.
So we breezed through the final boss with only a couple of deaths (funnily enough they werent me most of the time)
I said to the group leader 'hey next time dont call people scrubs its disencouraging and behold the whole group resorted to calling me names and saying I was just light attacking and doing 'nothing'. I immediately quit the group after that because I got what I came for but seriously dont judge a player by his or her CP role or class or whatever, I know we've all done it, Ive looked at a nightblade tank or a dragonknight healer thinking 'this will be interesting' but honestly Im a little upset about how players treat eachother in dungeons. Vet is frustrating and sometimes some players just arent ready but theres no reason to start calling names and lower players 'scrubs' you were there once, we all were.

If you're one of the group members I was with and you're reading this dont treat the next player that does a dungeon with you like that, dont call him or her names, dont make him or her feel inferior because of his or her CP level. Rant over.

Due to me being a healer, I always say exactly the same thing.

bellanca6561n

Mojmir wrote: »

I don't treat people bad because of their cps, I treat them bad when act like tards.

Another sensitive soul

The problem with tools like this is the necessary sheer lack of any personal connection with anyone who arrives.

This leads to a sort of disconnection in some cases, as if nobody is really there. Actual people are not present. Thus the famous quote by coach John Wooden applies:

“The true test of a man's character is what he does when no one is watching.”

And even though in the majority of cases I see quite the opposite - people acting patient and decent - there is another problem that can never be overcome with tools like this. Negative experiences are disproportionately memorable. They really sting.

Rickter

im CP 698 and i agree that the utter GARBAGE i see in zone chat when people are trying to get groups is shameful. I grab WHOEVER and WHATEVER CP rank for groups. you'll see me in zone saying "idgaf what your cp is, just be level 50"

remember that game called World of Warcraft? and remember that *bad word* addon called "Gearscore"? thats what CP levels have turned into. thanks for that ZOS. really appreciate the forced elitism that came with the last patch. and now the new monster sets have created more of a snobby meta, idk what to do anymore.

oh wait, i think im just going to champion the everyday man and woman. *mic drop*

Nestor

Find a good Guild and these situations do not happen. Lone Wolf Help has a fixed event on Mondays where we run dungeons to have fun and learn. If we wipe, we laugh about it, talk about what happened and try something different. We putter around sometimes, listen to the quest givers or wait for those who are doing the quests, pet the Daedra and otherwise just enjoy our selves.

No one gets called a Scrub, but gentle chiding does happen. Mostly it's me calling me an idiot or yelling at my character because they did not do what they are supposed to. Yes, this means I am yelling at myself, at least I don't have to buy me flowers after to apologize. But we don't harp on other members, because who is going to learn that way, or have any fun if that is going on.

W0lf_z13

last night a guildie and i queued for the pledges we got Elden Hollow for a dungeon we got in and i noticed that the other 2 group members were not even CP lvl ... I was on my healer, just under 510cp's and my guildie was on his sorc ( around 200 CP ) neither of us wanted to kick them so we just went through it ...

Although i was on my healer i was asked to switch to dps ... so i switched around a few skills ( kept a few healing abilities as a just in case ) and we cleared it.. with MAYBE 1 person dying once

NEVER judge a book by the cover.... lvl doesnt always dictate skill

Siphoneer

Nestor wrote: »

Find a good Guild and these situations do not happen. Lone Wolf Help has a fixed event on Mondays where we run dungeons to have fun and learn. If we wipe, we laugh about it, talk about what happened and try something different. We putter around sometimes, listen to the quest givers or wait for those who are doing the quests, pet the Daedra and otherwise just enjoy our selves.

No one gets called a Scrub, but gentle chiding does happen. Mostly it's me calling me an idiot or yelling at my character because they did not do what they are supposed to. Yes, this means I am yelling at myself, at least I don't have to buy me flowers after to apologize. But we don't harp on other members, because who is going to learn that way, or have any fun if that is going on.

Which platform?

Siphoneer

Mojmir wrote: »

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I don't treat people bad because of their cps, I treat them bad when act like tards.

You shouldnt treat anyone badly

They shouldn't make it so easy

You were probably one of the people in the group I was in, sure sounds like it

Siphoneer

Ankael07 wrote: »

Okay we get it there are evil people out there. Just ignore or report if you deem necessary and move on. There are thread after thread about these and thats not why I follow the forums.

Then dont comment

N2woR

I get it a fair bit on ps4 eu but I ignore it, I'm judged on cp not what I'm doing. I know I'm pulling enough damage as my stam sorc and I don't enter vet dungeons I don't know using the group finder so if I get kicked (99% of the time I'm kicked is before the fighting even starts) I see it more a dodge for myself than anything else. I judge myself, I know when I come out of dungeons if Ive done well. Not on deaths but skill rotations, movement, mechicanics etc. If your happy with how you've done then that's all that matters fella, yes they have an advantage over the lower cp but in my eyes if their meeting low cp players in activity finder then it's to be expected. Hell I expect it at cp 240!

Siphoneer

N2woR wrote: »

I get it a fair bit on ps4 eu but I ignore it, I'm judged on cp not what I'm doing. I know I'm pulling enough damage as my stam sorc and I don't enter vet dungeons I don't know using the group finder so if I get kicked (99% of the time I'm kicked is before the fighting even starts) I see it more a dodge for myself than anything else. I judge myself, I know when I come out of dungeons if Ive done well. Not on deaths but skill rotations, movement, mechicanics etc. If your happy with how you've done then that's all that matters fella, yes they have an advantage over the lower cp but in my eyes if their meeting low cp players in activity finder then it's to be expected. Hell I expect it at cp 240!

Thanks man

Lava_Croft

Terrible characters are present in the real world as well as the virtual one, with the difference being that in the virtual world there are no real repercussions for being terrible.

Not much you can do but remember and avoid those bad apples while trying to find nice people. Since I personally like to do random dungeons with random newbies/low CP players, I'm pretty sure there are many more that will just be nice and guide/help you through the dungeons as long as you are open to advice and learn from your possible mistakes.

Don't let the smell of the trash get to you!

Doctordarkspawn

Theres some direct damage stuff that you can get through the CP system, along with some sustain buffs you can get which is generally why people love high CP players because the handicaps are off.

Aaaand because of the *** that One Tamriels scaling came with, I only want 500+ CP players now. I form groups with them because now that DPS is a friggin -issue- for non DLC dungeons...well we gotta have the people with the best chances of not sucking.

Mojmir

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I don't treat people bad because of their cps, I treat them bad when act like tards.

You shouldnt treat anyone badly

They shouldn't make it so easy

You were probably one of the people in the group I was in, sure sounds like it

I doubt it,I only run with guilds. Any seriousness taken to my comments iabove mplies you don't know me. Maybe you do the same(run with guilds)? Spare yourself the headache,the only thing you'll have to worry about is what's dropping in your pack.

Siphoneer

Mojmir wrote: »

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I don't treat people bad because of their cps, I treat them bad when act like tards.

You shouldnt treat anyone badly

They shouldn't make it so easy

You were probably one of the people in the group I was in, sure sounds like it

I doubt it,I only run with guilds. Any seriousness taken to my comments iabove mplies you don't know me. Maybe you do the same(run with guilds)? Spare yourself the headache,the only thing you'll have to worry about is what's dropping in your pack.

Sorry about that and yeah I cant run with guilds anymore and if you see my recent post you'l see why lol

Mojmir

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Siphoneer wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I don't treat people bad because of their cps, I treat them bad when act like tards.

You shouldnt treat anyone badly

They shouldn't make it so easy

You were probably one of the people in the group I was in, sure sounds like it

I doubt it,I only run with guilds. Any seriousness taken to my comments iabove mplies you don't know me. Maybe you do the same(run with guilds)? Spare yourself the headache,the only thing you'll have to worry about is what's dropping in your pack.

Sorry about that and yeah I cant run with guilds anymore and if you see my recent post you'l see why lol

Yea saw that,if your on NA PC I can reccomend a few good ones