I'd like the rng drop system to stay the same as it is at the moment, but for them to add in a safeguard against the truly horrendous luck some people have.

Something like a system where, when you deconstruct an item from a set you get a set-specific item, and if you were to refine maybe 100 of them you'd get a style material that confers both the appropriate style and the set bonuses to any crafted piece of gear. So if you deconstructed 100 unneeded pieces of burning spellweave (random example), and refined the materials it gave you, you could get a burning spellweave style item that made xivkyn armour with the BSW set bonuses, allowing you to craft any type of item, with the specific trait gem and level you want. So it would still be possible to get the perfect traits quickly if you're lucky, but when you're looking for that final important piece, you would know that you're making progress towards getting your set finished, even if RNG takes a dump on you.

This way you could also farm monster helmets, deconstruct them and craft the shoulder if the undaunted grind isn't paying off for you. Or deconstructing lots of unneeded maelstrom weapons just so you know that the grind to get the 1 item you would actually want, whilst still long, would always have a finish line in sight.

Draconerus wrote: »

A token system has been something people have been asking for and devs have discussed between themselves and the users forever. It really needs to be added. The RNG is horrible.

Same with Master writs, need to have a token system for every Rng option in game besides the crown shop imo

redspecter23 wrote: »

A token system is better than what we have now, but as mentioned above, it's not the fix we really need. It's a bandaid solution to a much larger set of problems that need to be addressed as well. We need an actual trait balance pass from someone that has some math skills, preferably a team of people and not just one guy with a sharpened agenda of some sort. After we have more than one desirable dps trait, there are other issues to look at such as rarity and drop chances, smart loot, etc.

Even if all traits were truly balanced, though, a token system would still be a very good thing, because even with perfect balance people are still going to want one trait over another depending on their builds.

So say that in the future sharpened and charged were both perfectly balanced and equally sought-after traits. You'd still have some people who wanted sharpened because it's better for their build than charged, and vice versa.

Yeah like 1 token a run, and 1500 tokens for BIS lol

UrQuan wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

A token system is better than what we have now, but as mentioned above, it's not the fix we really need. It's a bandaid solution to a much larger set of problems that need to be addressed as well. We need an actual trait balance pass from someone that has some math skills, preferably a team of people and not just one guy with a sharpened agenda of some sort. After we have more than one desirable dps trait, there are other issues to look at such as rarity and drop chances, smart loot, etc.

Even if all traits were truly balanced, though, a token system would still be a very good thing, because even with perfect balance people are still going to want one trait over another depending on their builds.

So say that in the future sharpened and charged were both perfectly balanced and equally sought-after traits. You'd still have some people who wanted sharpened because it's better for their build than charged, and vice versa.

I agree that a well designed token system is a good thing. I'm just worried they'll slap a token system onto existing systems without another trait pass (a proper trait pass) and it will just turn an endless grind into a grind with an end that players still hate. Actually, I'm not even sure if ZOS has ever mentioned anything about trait balance since the last "pass" that just saw nirnhoned superiority passed on to sharpened. They may not know or care that their traits are completely messed up still.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah like 1 token a run, and 1500 tokens for BIS lol

And yet that's still faster than the current system for some. lol

runagate wrote: »

Well, the word that really stood out was token. I suspect, just to be different, they'll come up with something much more frustrating than I'm initially hoping.

Katahdin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

I can't attest to the veracity of the Google translation, but:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

One of the information discussed in connection with Morrowind reporting is the fact that the team is well aware of how problematic the RNG system is and is thinking about ways to solve it, such as a token system.

WELP I'll go ahead and cancel my pre order and quit.

Ppl don't need tokens cause that requires a min number of runs. What ppl want and need are non desired RNG possibilities removed entirely.

So what exactly do you want? A 100% guarantee to get the item you want after one run of VMA for example? Never going to happen. At least with a token system you are guaranteed to get it eventually instead of an endless cycle of tedium and disappointment.

Or did you get the weapon you wanted after 10 runs and don't ever want people not so lucky to ever get one?

People have been asking for a token system for VMA since VMA was introduced so you are incorrect in what people want

An token system will give an guarantee after X number of runs, that is unless they are so insane to give random trait on weapon you get for token. As I understand any good sharpened crafted weapon is better than non sharpened.
In this case you will need say 25 runs, then select an weapon type and have 8/9 chance to get junk.

Perfect would be you get the chest and you can select to take content or an token.
And I don't think we get this for dungeon drops , just for rewards at end.

bubbygink wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

They'll just replace one grind with another. It's a balancing act which one is least annoying to paying customers.

While true there is a big difference between a token grind and an RNG grind. With a token grind you KNOW your hard work will pay off. After X amount of runs you will eventually get that item you desire. With RNG you could run Maelstrom 1,000 times and be no closer to getting a sharpened inferno staff than you were at 0 runs.

Even if, as some have suggested, tokens will have an RNG drop rate you still have a general idea of how long it will take. If you need 10 tokens to get a sharpened inferno staff and the drop rate for tokens is 20% then you know it will take about 50 runs. Sure, you could get unlucky and maybe it takes you 70 runs, or even 100. But the odds of even that happening are extremely low and is about worst case scenario. Even with an percent chance to drop token system you have a pretty good idea of how long it will take you to get your weapon and you can actually see your progress.

You have LITERALLY described a RNG system as a solution for the current problem.... Which is a RNG system .... "If you need 10 tokens to get a sharpened inferno staff and the drop rate for tokens is 20% then you know it will take about 50 runs. Sure, you could get unlucky and maybe it takes you 70 runs, or even 100."

Somebody give this guy a medal!