Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I know some are going to struggle to get their heads round this, but housing in MMOs isn't aimed simply at adding to players' storage slots. That may be a bonus in some games, but it isn't remotely what housing is about.

If players don't understand what the purpose of housing is in MMOs, then it's a safe bet to say that housing is not for them and they can save their gold/crowns. There are other ways of enhancing storage through increasing inventory and bank slots and if there's a genuine need for more storage other than to cater for the unreasonable expectations of hoarders then lobbying for those would hopefully be productive.

So, you would buy a house that you couldn't also store additional stuff in?

Because that's all your argument boils down to.

Of course, as I have done. Because having a house isn't about having additional storage - that was what my argument boiled down to.

That's assuming, of course, that we're not confusing storage slots with furnishing. I wouldn't necessarily buy a house that I couldn't furnish, but I don't buy houses in order to use them as inventory/bank overflows (and have never used them for that where the game has permitted it).

And the argument about why the Homestead update is so bad when placed in comparison to... every other MMO on the market is much deeper than just "storage" also.

A fact that you conveniently left out of your post.

I was commenting on one aspect that was being discussed, but as it happens I don't accept that it is "fact" that the update is so bad when compared to every other MMO on the market. The housing in LoTRO, for example, is awful.

The reason so many people like housing in MMOs is because it gives them somewhere to call "home". Somewhere to visit while resting up, somewhere to display stuff and show their friends who can visit. Somewhere they can exercise their creative talents. All things that can be done in ESO. Check out what people have already done in ESO, and check out what people have done in e.g. EQ2 and Rift. Some other things like crafting can also be achieved, and I've no doubt that storage will become an option later on too - but housing is about so much more than just that.

I can well imagine guild halls will become available in due course too, unless ZOS are wise enough to realise that when games like EQ2 eventually added guild halls to their housing system it totally destroyed the cities. But good luck getting 500 people into an individual player house in most other MMOs!

Just because you can't use the housing for what you want it for doesn't make it "useless vanity fluff" for everyone.

This is what I keep asking about. Is there any practical use to housing?
It appears not. Bank/storage, crafting stations, vendors should be easy to get imo. Without these things in my house I feel no desire to return to it.

Dude, TLDR much? And your replies too, wow...

But I like my house, it's nice to chill in and I like having the merchant and banker, the crafting stations to deconstruct items, make runes, potions and food. Eh, it makes me happy, so I like it.

I've dabbled extensively into fo4 settlement myself. What made the world come to life for me is just being able to place NPCs down for free and have them go about doing their assigned routines.

AlexTech0x wrote: »

Houses will always be useless unless they add some sort of storage to them, not reading all that.

lol same.

A bit too long for me.

The real purpose of housing is to allow players to be creative and design their own cribs. That being said: it would be nice to have some functionality along with that. Additional storage options should have been included.

The free travel is nice as well.

This is the only reason I haven't bought a house despite all the hype. I more then likely will hardly visit after a bit of time when the novelty wears off and I won't be buying a huge manor or inviting people + no storage so seems useless.

Only thing I am interested in is a dps test dummy which could actually be helpful for me to test what rotations and gear provides best dps. But I already have friends with multiple dummies and have access to their homes.

In the end I will likely spend the gold on a house just for something to do and sink gold into. Won't take long and I will have millions of gold and I have already bought and tried every set I wanted to so it's the only thing I can spend my gold on.

Things that will push me to getting a decent player house:
Personal bank access
Crafting board
Npc to let you turn in your writs

Basically I want to be able to pick up, compete, and turn in my writs without having to deal with the loadscreens.

I want to be able to post things to sell for my guild trader without seeing 100+ people just standing around a banker in a capitol.

Funny, I don't like dealing with people irl and it looks like it's the same in my video games.

Dammit, I voted wrong.

Yes, houses are currently useless. And, for me at least, they will be useless until I can display the actual items I've acquired in my adventures. Most of the things you mentioned might be nice, but none of them mean a hill of beans without the ability to display my armor, weapons, runes, glyphs, trophies, rare fish, reagents, potions, provisions, and various laundered nicknacks.

Auros wrote: »

Housing is the correct step forward, it simply needs more features added.

I don't doubt that they will add in the plethora of missing features in the future.

For an exorbitant premium in Crowns...

ZOS: "So, you guys want storage for your houses? We're on that! It's coming in the 2025 update, and for only 35,000 Crowns, PER HOUSE! What a bargain!!!"

The money grubbing and lack of design effort after ZOS hired "The Lady" is truly astounding...

Now. i just need to figure out. How to make my house. Seem less empty. I could temporarily. Put all my mounts in my house?

I like housing, but it's not something I have to have, nor do I spend any time trying to get one or have it furnished.

I estimate in six months I'll probably have a house. Don't care about storage, although having assistants and crafting stations at a home would be a convenience.

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Despite wrote: »

This is what I keep asking about. Is there any practical use to housing?
It appears not. Bank/storage, crafting stations, vendors should be easy to get imo. Without these things in my house I feel no desire to return to it.

the only practical application for housing is a place to put the DPS dummy (this is a bigger deal for us console peasants than it is for the Lords of PC). Other than that, it is all RP and bragging that you bought a bigger house than your friends as far as I can tell.

Yep, pretty much.

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Despite wrote: »

This is what I keep asking about. Is there any practical use to housing?
It appears not. Bank/storage, crafting stations, vendors should be easy to get imo. Without these things in my house I feel no desire to return to it.

the only practical application for housing is a place to put the DPS dummy (this is a bigger deal for us console peasants than it is for the Lords of PC). Other than that, it is all RP and bragging that you bought a bigger house than your friends as far as I can tell.

Don't forget the ERP! At least now that'll be (mostly) behind doors instead of me wandering in on something and backing out the door slowly after doing /scared.

I wonder why houses are loading so long, almost the same time as normal public instance, if that's so small and only for me it should last 1 sec max.