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Grotleren

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AlexTech0x

Houses will always be useless unless they add some sort of storage to them, not reading all that.

DigitalShibby

Having a private place isn't useless. I've actually met more people and had more fun just chatting with folks due to housing. There is nothing useless about something that adds a new dimension to the game. I like the feeling of owning a little spot in the world, having friends come by, messing around with trapping them in cages. Dps testing alone makes them not useless. I want storage as well and they will probably add it eventually, maybe included in a higher priced version of eso plus. Honestly I was extremely bored of the game until housing hit, so the fact that it made me want to spend time in ESO again means it's not useless to me.

ZiRM

They will probably be expanding alot on homestead. It's like when they release a game and it's not finished then they patch it up later and improve upon it if the sales are there.

Waffennacht

I'm going to set up: Banker, Merchant, crafting stations including Clever Alchemist and other DlC stations, Skeleton dummies all for practical uses both short and long term

For fun gonna make like a stable and few decorations. I'm not gonna go over board...

qsnoopyjr

Talk about a wall of text.

Feel asleep when it came time to vote.

Chirru

For houses to be fun they must be Fun. right now they are little but empty Shells to put things one does not really need.
I mean; who needs a table with food on it that one can not really eat. who needs stuffed animals looking dead as dead can be.

Righ now (to me) houses are sort of DEAD
Maybe that will change in times to come when some people in ZOS wake up.
Ups: sorry; they have server problem...sigh.

DigitalShibby

Chirru wrote: »

I mean; who needs a table with food on it that one can not really eat.

As someone who is a mod author that creates custom player housing for fallout .. you'd be surprised how many people actually care about stuff even if you cannot interact with it. Having things look a certain way builds the environment and sets the mood, brings life to a place.. makes it feel lived in. Sure not everyone understands that but trust me there are a lot of people enjoying placing objects they can't use. In my housing mods nearly every single item I place is static (can't be moved, used, picked up) because I don't want people messing up the hundreds sometimes thousands of objects I spent hours placing perfectly.. and people love it. Housing let's you create the environment you want to be in and that's an awesome step for ESO. I'm excited to see where they go with this in the future.

Molydeus

If I get entertainment out of them then they are not useless. Not everything has to have an obvious function.

zaria

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Chirru wrote: »

I mean; who needs a table with food on it that one can not really eat.

As someone who is a mod author that creates custom player housing for fallout .. you'd be surprised how many people actually care about stuff even if you cannot interact with it. Having things look a certain way builds the environment and sets the mood, brings life to a place.. makes it feel lived in. Sure not everyone understands that but trust me there are a lot of people enjoying placing objects they can't use. In my housing mods nearly every single item I place is static (can't be moved, used, picked up) because I don't want people messing up the hundreds sometimes thousands of objects I spent hours placing perfectly.. and people love it. Housing let's you create the environment you want to be in and that's an awesome step for ESO. I'm excited to see where they go with this in the future.

One fun option had be if the activate food or drinks in house gave an fitting eat or drink animation.
food on an plate or an glass would refuel after an minute or something.
barrels of beer or food tables would not have the cooldown, this is just an animation no food buff or things in inventory.

mewcatus

They make good and cheap wayshrines, especially in out of way places where people hardly go to.

Argruna

There useful to me at least.
They are free teleports if you have the house owned.
Crafting stations can be added to the home, making it easier to get things crafted instead of finding one out in the world or going to the city/town, thus saving gold from using a teleport (or spending that time finding a wayshrine and teleporting from there).
Gold dumps.
Storing items. Yes, you heard me. It's nice to dump off a painting into the house and have it be something I can sell down the road instead of taking up space in my bank. Besides, I don't think storage is coming any time soon. It would give me a place to store crafting materials instead of setting up a subscription for the crafting bag. (Can't help that I'm cheap.) Though they'd probably gate storage in houses behind a subscription account or crown store anyway.

freespirit

I've had so much fun furnishing my unfurnished Manor.

Now I'm building stuff with what I hope will be functional group use.

Ive crafted probably 50% of the furnishings maybe slightly more, the rest is from Achievement Furnishers.

I'm not done but already looking forward to my next residence!!

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

TLDR but yes useless imo.
No storage, not much creativity, very bland.

Just gunna save my time and gold.

Grotleren

Well i read some good arguments for not buying around on forums:

It's stupidly expensive. You could buy 2 or 3 NEW COMPLETE GAMES for the cost of this place, especially if you do it furnished.

ZOS was lazy and put not one once of effort INTO THE HOUSE ITSELF. It is a tired copy/pasta of at least 3 other castles already in the game.

you cannot access the upper balcony or the top of the curtain wall, depriving you of all the splendid views and useable space this place SHOULD have.

The 24 player cap is ridiculous. ZOS should have very well known this cap is not in line with housing in virtually any other major game and SHOULD have known that players would be unhappy with this and should NOT have released housing until they figured out a solution to the "performance issues" that supposedly result at higher numbers of players.

You cannot access at least TWO floors that the outside of the castle shows. In fact, the interior of the castle bears NO resemblance to the floorplan that should exist based upon the exterior view of the castle.

There has not been a significant crown sale since this monstrosity came out. Half price is the only way this even BEGINS to make any sense.

The only thought or care that was put into housing was put into developing a grind for the furniture that goes along with it. And doing it in such a way as to drive frustrated players into the cash shop.

Housing still has a host of bugs associated with it. DEMAND that these be fixed first.

Outside grounds are the worst and most limited of all the houses with outdoor space. The trapdoor downstairs doesn't even take you to a sliver of beach but instead dumps your character into slaughterfish infested waters.

By buying all you will accomplish is to teach this company that they can put out a substandard product and charge you an outrageous price for it and you'll cave and let them get away with it. Wait for them to improve the value of this product or put out better houses in the future.

Can't do guild auctions because you can't access the guild bank for items or money.

The larger the home the more impossible it is to fill in a satisfying way under the item cap.

The larger the home the more it will seem lifeless and dead.

Better homes will probably come with Morrowind, and maybe even before.

The lack of function basically makes it just a status symbol and virtual status symbols are silly concept.

You probably don't have the free inventory space to manage the decorating process of a house this large without frustration.

It will likely take you longer to get from your front entrance to where you placed the crafting tables than it will take me to get from my city wayshrine to those tables.

You have to travel twice from Cyrodiil wayshrine to bank at your house (wayshrine doesn't work for homes) and I only need to do it once to get to my city.



Honestly at this point i've decided to wait for an update on the housing, instead i have several games on pre-order.




2 games or a useless house... Hmmm...

kevlarto_ESO

Housing is what you make it, I have friends having a blast gathering items and decorating their house, I have some friends that say bah humbug to housing and won't waste a minute if their time on it, to me falls in the category of one mans trash is another mans treasure.

It is not required to have house so if you don't like them that's fine just don't complain because other that enjoy them, something will come along you might enjoy and someone else might not that's the way mmo's work, housing is just getting to much hyperbole and just not that big a deal to me had they offered more utility to housing I might have a different point of view but housing is just fluff to enjoy or not depends on where you stand.

Subversus

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

TLDR but yes useless imo.
No storage, not much creativity, very bland.

Just gunna save my time and gold.

Same here, not even gonna bother with the quest lol.

ItsGlaive

It really depends on your personal take I think.

I agree that the houses would be more "useful" given more amenities - and also if the ones already available were given real-world prices instead of the craziness they have now.

For example assistants - 5k crowns should net you the pack, or at least a single assistant that can do more than one thing.

Ultimately it boils down to Zos' perception of "value" versus our own. And historically, theirs tends to lean more towards greedy...

ADarklore

The idea of having respec shrines, marriage shrines, guild trader/bank access, etc... in your home is not going to happen. ZOS has already mentioned before that they do not want to implement things that detract from people visiting towns. They want towns to feel populated, not become ghost towns because people have everything available in their house. Most people visit towns either to repair gear, the crafting stations, or guild trader/bank... allowing access to these in your home would pretty much guarantee some locations would become ghost towns. That might seem good for towns that are already over-populated, but would also detract from the 'social' aspect of the game... and being an MMO... it's not good to make more anti-social.

Topso

I can't believe people actually want everything in their house after what happened to WoW and garrisons. Having everything you need in a house is a really really bad idea.
What I love most about ESO is that it never feels empty, I see people in every zone all over the world. I don't want everyone to be stuck in their homes.

I never thought about housing as anything more than decorating and a social place. Why does everything need to be more?

Myrrah

Grotleren wrote: »

Well i read some good arguments for not buying around on forums:

It's stupidly expensive. You could buy 2 or 3 NEW COMPLETE GAMES for the cost of this place, especially if you do it furnished.

ZOS was lazy and put not one once of effort INTO THE HOUSE ITSELF. It is a tired copy/pasta of at least 3 other castles already in the game.

you cannot access the upper balcony or the top of the curtain wall, depriving you of all the splendid views and useable space this place SHOULD have.

The 24 player cap is ridiculous. ZOS should have very well known this cap is not in line with housing in virtually any other major game and SHOULD have known that players would be unhappy with this and should NOT have released housing until they figured out a solution to the "performance issues" that supposedly result at higher numbers of players.

You cannot access at least TWO floors that the outside of the castle shows. In fact, the interior of the castle bears NO resemblance to the floorplan that should exist based upon the exterior view of the castle.

There has not been a significant crown sale since this monstrosity came out. Half price is the only way this even BEGINS to make any sense.

The only thought or care that was put into housing was put into developing a grind for the furniture that goes along with it. And doing it in such a way as to drive frustrated players into the cash shop.

Housing still has a host of bugs associated with it. DEMAND that these be fixed first.

Outside grounds are the worst and most limited of all the houses with outdoor space. The trapdoor downstairs doesn't even take you to a sliver of beach but instead dumps your character into slaughterfish infested waters.

By buying all you will accomplish is to teach this company that they can put out a substandard product and charge you an outrageous price for it and you'll cave and let them get away with it. Wait for them to improve the value of this product or put out better houses in the future.

Can't do guild auctions because you can't access the guild bank for items or money.

The larger the home the more impossible it is to fill in a satisfying way under the item cap.

The larger the home the more it will seem lifeless and dead.

Better homes will probably come with Morrowind, and maybe even before.

The lack of function basically makes it just a status symbol and virtual status symbols are silly concept.

You probably don't have the free inventory space to manage the decorating process of a house this large without frustration.

It will likely take you longer to get from your front entrance to where you placed the crafting tables than it will take me to get from my city wayshrine to those tables.

You have to travel twice from Cyrodiil wayshrine to bank at your house (wayshrine doesn't work for homes) and I only need to do it once to get to my city.



Honestly at this point i've decided to wait for an update on the housing, instead i have several games on pre-order.




2 games or a useless house... Hmmm...

wow-all of this 0.0 n yet i still have been having more fun than i've had in eso in years. so ./shrug

Jah_Shaka

Glad I saved my gold & just have an empty room with a tree stump to sit on at my local Inn ...

Slurg

Not useless, for the reasons that have been covered by other posters. They could be more useful, however, and I hope more functions will be added. I have every reason to believe additional features that can be sold in the crown store eventually will be.

Dark_Aether

I have a feeling the housing system does have more functionality, just not in this patch. They are holding back content, pulling the ol' "release later so people will be grateful and give praise forgetting it's a basic functionality that should have been in from the start"

BlackSparrow

Hope you didn't hurt yourself climbing off that soapbox.

This topic has come up over and over (and over and over) in the past month, so I'm just going to post something I've previously said:

BlackSparrow wrote: »

You play games to have fun. You can have fun mastering PvP, or collecting difficult achievements, or farming to make millions on the guild traders, or running heists for the Thieves Guild, or decorating your house.

For me, I enjoy player housing for the same reason I enjoy Minecraft... it lets me build neat things and express my creativity in my own personal environment. I have to work to find resources, which makes what you craft out of those resources all the more satisfying. It's all about long-term projects and that feeling of accomplishment that comes from standing in your finished castle and thinking "I made all of this."

And then, unlike Minecraft, ESO has a setting I find immersive and fascinating, and I'm playing characters who have personalities and backstories. So, even though the creative tools are weaker than a full sandbox like Minecraft, I'm more invested in it. I'm invested in letting each of my characters decorate their own homes, and their individual pasts, stories, and personalities drive what I'm looking for for each house. Because of that investment, I know this is something that will entertain me for a long time.

So yeah, personally, I find Housing very fun. Not because of what it does for the rest of the game, but because of what it is. That "Barbie's Dreamhouse" feel is why I like it, especially in a game I already enjoy.

If that's not your cup of tea, then there's no need to worry about it. You play the game in the way you most enjoy, and I'll play it in the way I enjoy. The important thing is that we're both having fun.

So, for me, Homestead is very "useful." It enhances my game experience, and all this hubbub about crafting stations and target skeletons are just bells and whistles added to try to placate the "but what does this do?" crowd. For me, the "use" is in the decorating system itself, as it's pretty clear the devs intended it to be.

WalkingLegacy

The apparent lack of effort in designing the Homes points to more laziness to make uniqueness in this game.

Honestly never cared much for homes and such in my MMOs. I'm not against it because some people do enjoy it out there, but I laugh when I see how much they cost. Coupled with the effort and quality designed into them.

(I have disposable income, but would never waste 100 bucks for an ingame house)

MythicEmperor

They technically aren't useless, but their lack of utility far outweighs their utility. They have 2 uses: Target skeletons and RP, and I use both. It doesn't do the latter particularly well, however, because of the player cap. I definitely wish housing had more.

idk

@Grotleren

Didn't read the huge wall of words since such lengthy posts often go off topic and are far wordy than needed.

Housing may not be your cup of tea but considering that players have been asking for them and they are a staple of MMOs I'd say they are expected.

Heck, for me, they are verY useful due to the dps dummy.

Uriel_Nocturne

Without additional storage or the ability to hold an entire Guild of 500 members, the Houses are useless vanity fluff.

I deeply understand and firmly believe that people can do what they will with their own money, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with what they spend it on (so I usually just keep quiet about it), but I cannot fathom why people are spending upwards of $150 USD on these cheap, vanity houses, that are actually LESS USEFUL than a mount.

While I agree that people should be allowed to, I cannot fathom "why" they would...

jedtb16_ESO

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Without additional storage or the ability to hold an entire Guild of 500 members, the Houses are useless vanity fluff.

I deeply understand and firmly believe that people can do what they will with their own money, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with what they spend it on (so I usually just keep quiet about it), but I cannot fathom why people are spending upwards of $150 USD on these cheap, vanity houses, that are actually LESS USEFUL than a mount.

While I agree that people should be allowed to, I cannot fathom "why" they would...

because it adds another dimension to the game..... more depth.

this is just the first iteration of it. i am sure that more functionality will follow.

Gilvoth

house is needed for me and allways will be in all elderscrolls titles!
NOT useless!
just need storage.