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Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Without additional storage or the ability to hold an entire Guild of 500 members, the Houses are useless vanity fluff.

I deeply understand and firmly believe that people can do what they will with their own money, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with what they spend it on (so I usually just keep quiet about it), but I cannot fathom why people are spending upwards of $150 USD on these cheap, vanity houses, that are actually LESS USEFUL than a mount.

While I agree that people should be allowed to, I cannot fathom "why" they would...

@Uriel_Nocturne

Being useless for you doesn't mean they are useless. Many that are even 1/2 serious about their dps want homes or access to one with a test dummy in it.

As for the homes not being able to hold 500 guild members. They aren't guild halls and should not be able to hold that many.

Besides, the only non-trade guild I've seen that claimed 500 members had 400+ inactive with another 50 that rarely did anything with them.

I also look forward to Zos adding storage though I understand it won't be simply craft something to get more storage essentially free. That much is obvious.

Bam_Bam

A house without use is fluff and pointless. Attunable craft stations just help to diminish in-world population making servers look empty again. It encourages players to interact only with people they know as they wall themselves in and shut themselves off. Extra storage would be nice but that in itself will be an enormous lag-bomb of database mismanagement. Sad really

Sigtric

I have no clue what the OP said besides the poll because I gave up reading GRRM length things a while ago


1. Safe place to log out. and log back into with zero possibility of local population screwing up my load time/crashing me= useful
2. Ability to place target dummies = useful
3. Ability to place crafting stations of any type, including stations that make some of my favorite sets? = really useful
4. Ability to pull friends into the house and make them go on hide and seek missions to find other players or items hidden on the property = fun = useful


Could they be more useful? Sure, but they are quite useful already.

Uriel_Nocturne

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Without additional storage or the ability to hold an entire Guild of 500 members, the Houses are useless vanity fluff.

I deeply understand and firmly believe that people can do what they will with their own money, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with what they spend it on (so I usually just keep quiet about it), but I cannot fathom why people are spending upwards of $150 USD on these cheap, vanity houses, that are actually LESS USEFUL than a mount.

While I agree that people should be allowed to, I cannot fathom "why" they would...

@Uriel_Nocturne

Being useless for you doesn't mean they are useless. Many that are even 1/2 serious about their dps want homes or access to one with a test dummy in it.

As for the homes not being able to hold 500 guild members. They aren't guild halls and should not be able to hold that many.

Besides, the only non-trade guild I've seen that claimed 500 members had 400+ inactive with another 50 that rarely did anything with them.

I also look forward to Zos adding storage though I understand it won't be simply craft something to get more storage essentially free. That much is obvious.

Are you oblivious to the whole premise of the thread?

OP ASKED for people to give their opinions.

MY opinion is that houses are useless unless there's additional storage and/or have enough of a capacity to serve as a Guild Hall for the Guild maximum of 500 players. Specifically, IMO Houses are LESS USEFUL than a Mount, which at least adds storage and transportation once you start training. That makes Mounts at least useful in some minor aspect.

Houses? Completely useless as they exist right now.

This is a thread SPECIFICALLY asking for opinions, so I gave mine.

Get thee off mine nuts.

FerrumnCutem

But I still like being in my home.

flizomica

I think they're useless fluff (other than training dummies) but I still enjoy decorating etc. Still fun for me even though there's no real point to it. I have a lot of gold lying around I'm not gonna use so spending it on housing doesn't bother me.
Maybe spent 600k in total so far?

Evergnar

There will be more functional items added to housing in the future guaranteed.

Mojmir

Without storage it's not even worth buying imo

Uriel_Nocturne

Evergnar wrote: »

There will be more functional items added to housing in the future guaranteed.

For 6000+ Crowns a pop now that "The Lady" is managing the Crown Store...

Pallio

If they worked more like Skyrim it would be awesome. Specifically, a mannequin to put armor sets on, instead of bank mules.

Brightuatha

I like the housing, I am hoping to see the addition of gardens, such as was in Skyrim, definitely more storage and interactive furnishings, as well as crafting stations. I do not mind at all if we have to build them. Housing is so new, give the developers time to sort it out. I intend to get hosing in several regions, over time, it is a great way to get around!

STEVIL

taken from another thread...

As for the "why would someone do it then" kind of editorial questions - because it offers something they want. Function is in the eye of the beholder.

its possible to run duels in houses.
houses are instanced and you have control over entry.

So, if one is interested in dueling without interruption - like say running a dueling tourney that one can stream without having really annoying interlopers running into the duel and causing interruption after interruption to your broadcast - a house works very well for that. that is a capability the house can provide that cannot be gained elsewhere.

if one want to do so, one can create crafting stations for PVP zone sets and DLC sets and harder to get to sets and place them in your home and invite others (perhaps your guild mates) to use them without going to the PVP zone or owning the DLC. . that's a capability not otherwise available. one could even "rent" the home for such uses for gold if one wanted.

there are lots of other "functions" or more properly "capabilities" that folks can find "uses for" in their housing - in addition to whatever fun it brings them in its own right.

One can always ask "what does it do for me?" and get a very small picture of anything.
One can also always ask "what can i do with it or what can i get out of it?" and often get a much broader, richer more robust perspective.

The one's looking at housing now and asking the latter are gonna be the ones ahead of the curve.


In homestead housing is potential - potential fun, potential use, potential gains - and like all potential it requires creativity, time and effort to turn it from potential into reality and some will choose to do so and others won't.

Tandor

I know some are going to struggle to get their heads round this, but housing in MMOs isn't aimed simply at adding to players' storage slots. That may be a bonus in some games, but it isn't remotely what housing is about.

If players don't understand what the purpose of housing is in MMOs, then it's a safe bet to say that housing is not for them and they can save their gold/crowns. There are other ways of enhancing storage through increasing inventory and bank slots and if there's a genuine need for more storage other than to cater for the unreasonable expectations of hoarders then lobbying for those would hopefully be productive.

Uriel_Nocturne

Tandor wrote: »

I know some are going to struggle to get their heads round this, but housing in MMOs isn't aimed simply at adding to players' storage slots. That may be a bonus in some games, but it isn't remotely what housing is about.

If players don't understand what the purpose of housing is in MMOs, then it's a safe bet to say that housing is not for them and they can save their gold/crowns. There are other ways of enhancing storage through increasing inventory and bank slots and if there's a genuine need for more storage other than to cater for the unreasonable expectations of hoarders then lobbying for those would hopefully be productive.

So, you would buy a house that you couldn't also store additional stuff in?

Because that's all your argument boils down to.

DurzoBlint13

it is the only place to put the DPS dummy! For us console peasants the Dummy is the only DPS test we get.

Tandor

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I know some are going to struggle to get their heads round this, but housing in MMOs isn't aimed simply at adding to players' storage slots. That may be a bonus in some games, but it isn't remotely what housing is about.

If players don't understand what the purpose of housing is in MMOs, then it's a safe bet to say that housing is not for them and they can save their gold/crowns. There are other ways of enhancing storage through increasing inventory and bank slots and if there's a genuine need for more storage other than to cater for the unreasonable expectations of hoarders then lobbying for those would hopefully be productive.

So, you would buy a house that you couldn't also store additional stuff in?

Because that's all your argument boils down to.

Of course, as I have done. Because having a house isn't about having additional storage - that was what my argument boiled down to.

That's assuming, of course, that we're not confusing storage slots with furnishing. I wouldn't necessarily buy a house that I couldn't furnish, but I don't buy houses in order to use them as inventory/bank overflows (and have never used them for that where the game has permitted it).

Kodrac

Can I get the hardback version of this novel?

Uriel_Nocturne

Tandor wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I know some are going to struggle to get their heads round this, but housing in MMOs isn't aimed simply at adding to players' storage slots. That may be a bonus in some games, but it isn't remotely what housing is about.

If players don't understand what the purpose of housing is in MMOs, then it's a safe bet to say that housing is not for them and they can save their gold/crowns. There are other ways of enhancing storage through increasing inventory and bank slots and if there's a genuine need for more storage other than to cater for the unreasonable expectations of hoarders then lobbying for those would hopefully be productive.

So, you would buy a house that you couldn't also store additional stuff in?

Because that's all your argument boils down to.

Of course, as I have done. Because having a house isn't about having additional storage - that was what my argument boiled down to.

That's assuming, of course, that we're not confusing storage slots with furnishing. I wouldn't necessarily buy a house that I couldn't furnish, but I don't buy houses in order to use them as inventory/bank overflows (and have never used them for that where the game has permitted it).

And the argument about why the Homestead update is so bad when placed in comparison to... every other MMO on the market is much deeper than just "storage" also.

A fact that you conveniently left out of your post.

jedtb16_ESO

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I know some are going to struggle to get their heads round this, but housing in MMOs isn't aimed simply at adding to players' storage slots. That may be a bonus in some games, but it isn't remotely what housing is about.

If players don't understand what the purpose of housing is in MMOs, then it's a safe bet to say that housing is not for them and they can save their gold/crowns. There are other ways of enhancing storage through increasing inventory and bank slots and if there's a genuine need for more storage other than to cater for the unreasonable expectations of hoarders then lobbying for those would hopefully be productive.

So, you would buy a house that you couldn't also store additional stuff in?

Because that's all your argument boils down to.

Of course, as I have done. Because having a house isn't about having additional storage - that was what my argument boiled down to.

That's assuming, of course, that we're not confusing storage slots with furnishing. I wouldn't necessarily buy a house that I couldn't furnish, but I don't buy houses in order to use them as inventory/bank overflows (and have never used them for that where the game has permitted it).

And the argument about why the Homestead update is so bad when placed in comparison to... every other MMO on the market is much deeper than just "storage" also.

A fact that you conveniently left out of your post.

the other fact is that this is just the first iteration of it...

Draconerus

As it is now the housing doesn't add any extra benefits such as storage, rested XP or farming like other MMO housing does.

idk

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Without additional storage or the ability to hold an entire Guild of 500 members, the Houses are useless vanity fluff.

I deeply understand and firmly believe that people can do what they will with their own money, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with what they spend it on (so I usually just keep quiet about it), but I cannot fathom why people are spending upwards of $150 USD on these cheap, vanity houses, that are actually LESS USEFUL than a mount.

While I agree that people should be allowed to, I cannot fathom "why" they would...

@Uriel_Nocturne

Being useless for you doesn't mean they are useless. Many that are even 1/2 serious about their dps want homes or access to one with a test dummy in it.

As for the homes not being able to hold 500 guild members. They aren't guild halls and should not be able to hold that many.

Besides, the only non-trade guild I've seen that claimed 500 members had 400+ inactive with another 50 that rarely did anything with them.

I also look forward to Zos adding storage though I understand it won't be simply craft something to get more storage essentially free. That much is obvious.

Are you oblivious to the whole premise of the thread?

OP ASKED for people to give their opinions.

MY opinion is that houses are useless unless there's additional storage and/or have enough of a capacity to serve as a Guild Hall for the Guild maximum of 500 players. Specifically, IMO Houses are LESS USEFUL than a Mount, which at least adds storage and transportation once you start training. That makes Mounts at least useful in some minor aspect.

Houses? Completely useless as they exist right now.

This is a thread SPECIFICALLY asking for opinions, so I gave mine.

Get thee off mine nuts.

@Uriel_Nocturne

Lol. I reply to your post explaining an aspect of housing many find useful and you act like I'm both wrong and make a petty comment about some mine nuts that makes no sense.

Yes. This thread is specifically about providing opinions. I didn't tell you you were wrong. Merely pointed out what many who work to improve their dps and test theories find useful with the homes.

While homes may not provide what you are interested in, many fine them useful and it's not your place to tell any of them they're wrong. You can try but your wrong in doing so.

It's clear but looking at the forums that some disagree with how housing was implemented while others from serious players to RPers find an aspect of housing that is worthwhile to them.

Gargath

I don't need additional storage, I have enough in sacks.
What I need is less limits inside the house, like no invisible walls, no invisible roof, after which any placed items dissapear forever while still added to housing max limit. I want to build and want less restrictions for my creativity and imagination inside my own personal instance .

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I love my house. I would not have thought this 2 months ago, but this might be my favorite DLC to date. It has become our defacto guild hall. Every time I log on there are people in there testing DPS or just exploring. The crafting stations are super useful to dump bags after a raid. I also had fun gathering all 34 busts and displaying them in the courtyard (I even made a map of them so people know what is what). The EP manor has 34 pedestals in the courtyard. Intentional or happy accident, I have no idea. I also love that I now have a version of account wide achievements. I am also having way more fun than I thought I would just decorating the place.

SunfireKnight86

It's a video game. It's all totally useless. If you mean it doesn't help you in combat, you're right, and it shouldn't. Gonna need a tl;dr if you want me to get through that first post.

AlMcFly

Yes. There is very little practical use that any house performs. I still bought one. idgaf

Tannus15

Depends on your definition of "useless"

I enjoy looking for new furniture patterns and decorating my in game house. Having a house has given me new goals in the game.

It's certainly useless at increasing my DPS though.
It's not going to make my tank better at tanking.
The entire game is useless at washing my car.

You may as well ask if gold is useless. It's not real money. Having 50mil gold in the bank doesn't improve your dps and tanking, so why bother having it? It's not increasing your available bank space, so why collect more?

Housing right now is keeping me entertained and playing more than I was last month, so I'd say it meets MY definition of useful.

STEVIL

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I know some are going to struggle to get their heads round this, but housing in MMOs isn't aimed simply at adding to players' storage slots. That may be a bonus in some games, but it isn't remotely what housing is about.

If players don't understand what the purpose of housing is in MMOs, then it's a safe bet to say that housing is not for them and they can save their gold/crowns. There are other ways of enhancing storage through increasing inventory and bank slots and if there's a genuine need for more storage other than to cater for the unreasonable expectations of hoarders then lobbying for those would hopefully be productive.

So, you would buy a house that you couldn't also store additional stuff in?

Because that's all your argument boils down to.

i would and did so... multiple times in fact.

While i believe storage will come to housing, if it never does, i am still getting what i paid for.

kalimar44

Useless ***.

STEVIL

Draconerus wrote: »

As it is now the housing doesn't add any extra benefits such as storage, rested XP or farming like other MMO housing does.

As it is now, housing provide some extra benefits like instanced session, ability to place/use DPS dummies, attunable crafting stations and even regular crafting stations with the home.

Not to mention walking around in your underwear without anybody seeing that embarrassing tattoo.

STEVIL

Gargath wrote: »

I don't need additional storage, I have enough in sacks.
What I need is less limits inside the house, like no invisible walls, no invisible roof, after which any placed items dissapear forever while still added to housing max limit. I want to build and want less restrictions for my creativity and imagination inside my own personal instance .

there is a retirve tab right there with the place and purchase tab in the editor that lets you scroll thru a list of placed items and retrieve them just for the "cant see it" get it back purpose.