unintended feature? regarding crown bought furniture.

SaRuZ · February 2017

I don't see it as a bad thing, it can perhaps progress into a bad thing, also, all the really good sets are behind a grindwall and can't be sold in Traders(Viper, BSW, Lich, SPC) so yeahh, saying they can amass millions to buy some Spinners is pretty dumb when there are better sets you can grind for.

You don't quite understand P2W. In Everquest 2 you can BUY a max level character with max level gear right from the start, that is Pay2Win. It's not hard to farm gold in this game dude, if someone is using real money to buy crown items then sell them for in-game gold, thats called an idiot.

Edit: On the other hand! I digress. If someone buys a Crown Store Exclusive Item and wants to sell it to me in-game for Gold then I say Right On. Because I am not paying a cent in the crown store for cosmetic ****

MarkusLiberty · February 2017

I don't get it, all crown based furnitures are marked as bound. They should not be tradable, and if they are then clearly it's a bug.

Myrrah · February 2017

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I don't get it, all crown based furnitures are marked as bound. They should not be tradable, and if they are then clearly it's a bug.

yeah-i checked mine. all bound. so not sure what OP is talking about

tunepunk · February 2017

Sylance9 wrote: »

Let's say 2 players start playing at the same time, we'll call them player A and player B. Player A has a ton of disposable income, player B does not. Player A purchases crowns and items from the store, and turns around and sells them in game for gold. Player B is still grinding for gold. Player A now has more money than player B can imagine and is able to do more things in game. Player A now can purchase items that allow him to compete at a level player B will spend months maybe even years to achieve thus giving player A an advantage over player B. Pay to win is buying something with real world money that would give you an advantage over another player. Player A clearly has an advantage over player B.

Is that easier to understand?

Haha, let's turn it around shall we.

Let's say 2 players start playing at the same time, we'll call them player A and player B. Player A has a ton of disposable time, he's basically unemployed, and has nothing else to do than to play all day. Player B has a full time job, a full time girlfriend, and several other activities besides playing ESO. Player A has time to grind all day, farming and do group dungeons, decorate his house and practice his rotation lot. Player B only has an hour or two, every now and then, and prefer to pay for items so he can enjoy playing with friends instead of farming and grinding to catch up every time he log in. Player A clearly has an advantage over player B, a lot of time, a lot of practice, a lot of time to play.

dsalter · February 2017

tunepunk wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

Let's say 2 players start playing at the same time, we'll call them player A and player B. Player A has a ton of disposable income, player B does not. Player A purchases crowns and items from the store, and turns around and sells them in game for gold. Player B is still grinding for gold. Player A now has more money than player B can imagine and is able to do more things in game. Player A now can purchase items that allow him to compete at a level player B will spend months maybe even years to achieve thus giving player A an advantage over player B. Pay to win is buying something with real world money that would give you an advantage over another player. Player A clearly has an advantage over player B.

Is that easier to understand?

Haha, let's turn it around shall we.

Let's say 2 players start playing at the same time, we'll call them player A and player B. Player A has a ton of disposable time, he's basically unemployed, and has nothing else to do than to play all day. Player B has a full time job, a full time girlfriend, and several other activities besides playing ESO. Player A has time to grind all day, farming and do group dungeons, decorate his house and practice his rotation lot. Player B only has an hour or two, every now and then, and prefer to pay for items so he can enjoy playing with friends instead of farming and grinding to catch up every time he log in. Player A clearly has an advantage over player B, a lot of time, a lot of practice, a lot of time to play.

but isn't that players A's choice to waste away his life? and player B's choice to not work more game time into his life?

zaria · February 2017

Sylance9 wrote: »

There are two arguments going on here: whether it has become pay to win (the ability to buy gold), and why pay to win is bad.

ESO is one of two remaining AAA MMO's where real world disposable income cannot gain you significant advantage in game over other players with less disposable income. These other games, and if this is true of eso, are "pay to win". I am not going to get Ito a discussion over whether pay to win is bad or not, but it is something I, and much of the community would not like to see happen with ESO.

If this is true that you can buy items in the crown store and sell them for in game gold, particularly items which are not available in game through gameplay, then ESO clearly has become pay to win.

I thought furniture you bought was bound to player? At least the one bought with the house is.
Can the more interesting stuff like crafting benches be sold in game?
If not then is likely an bug. Marked is far larger for crafting benches than imperial furniture who is just another style.

It was an pet in WOW who could only be bought with money and it could be sold to other players for gold.
I left wow around that time so not sure if this was removed.

You want to prevent players of buying an item with money then sell for gold.
Note that the best items can not be bought by gold anyway.

zaria · February 2017

dsalter wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

So let's pretend someone gets very rich selling crown bought furniture for gold.. okay.. now what..?? Do you know how many players are sitting on 5-10-15-20+ million gold and nothing to do with it? Nothing to spend it on. I have just below 7 mill personally and absolutely nothing to buy. The best gear in the game doesn't come from purchasing it, almost all the best in slot gear is bind on pickup. Sure you have some random things like spinners, mothers sorrow, spriggans that sell for high prices but even if you used that ill-gotten gold for purchasing those sets you still have no advantage over anyone else. People can still buy gold from gold selling companies, having a ton of gold offers no advantages.
And I'm not advocating that this is right, I personally believe that nothing obtained via crowns should be sold for gold.. however I don't see it causing a gap or problem that injures the economy, game or it's player base.
I assume it's better value spending money to buy from gold farming companies than it is buying crowns to flip furnishings for "profit."

yet.

theres a reason most MMO's try to find a huge game cash sink every DLC/Expansion so that they cant own a monopoly

Housing is the gold sink. Its also an huge source for the cash shop.

If anything its harder to buy good gear than in the start, stuff in dungeons are BoP but can be traded between the member of group.

if they was so stupid to introduce unbalanced pay to win stuff you will not get it for gold.

zaria · February 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

Absolutely a bug. I'm positive it even says in the patch notes that crown store bought items are not able to be traded or sold.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Crown store items can be bought and sold in game.

NO no the sky is falling, its obvious. Huge chains are dropping from the sky and then it start to spawn monsters, its happens all the time, this one is sure its part of the plan.

Tomorrow you can buy permanent emperor buff in the crown store. M'aiq said it.

Gilvoth · February 2017

dsalter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

While consistency is probably best, I am not sure it is such a big deal if I can sell a crown purchased fire pit. Probably a waste of 400 crown.

people are buying the crafting stations and selling them for huge amounts.

so what is wrong with that ?
its not hurting the game and it is not pay to win.
nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

Gilvoth · February 2017

Sylance9 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

well that happened long ago when crown-exclusive motifs are released...

true but not to the point where you can buy them, then straight away put them on a guild vendor

are you referring to the imperial furnitures?

there are no offical feedback that imperial furniture blueprints are crown-exclusive yet...there is a slightly chance it is just rare

though, we shall see how ZOS respond this @ZOS_GinaBruno

you can buy mimik stones and sell the armor made from them, thats no different then furniture.

It is absolutely different. The mimic stone allows you to create armor of styles that exist in game. The crown store furniture
Can't be obtained in game.

I think much of it is craftable. The Redguard Fire Pit is craftable and can be obtained with crowns.

But none of it should be tradeable once purchased for crowns.

says "you"
not everyone agrees with you. i think there is nothing wrong with it, and it is not pay to win.

Shimmer · February 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

well that happened long ago when crown-exclusive motifs are released...

true but not to the point where you can buy them, then straight away put them on a guild vendor

are you referring to the imperial furnitures?

there are no offical feedback that imperial furniture blueprints are crown-exclusive yet...there is a slightly chance it is just rare

though, we shall see how ZOS respond this @ZOS_GinaBruno

you can buy mimik stones and sell the armor made from them, thats no different then furniture.

It is absolutely different. The mimic stone allows you to create armor of styles that exist in game. The crown store furniture
Can't be obtained in game.

I think much of it is craftable. The Redguard Fire Pit is craftable and can be obtained with crowns.

But none of it should be tradeable once purchased for crowns.

says "you"
not everyone agrees with you. i think there is nothing wrong with it, and it is not pay to win.

Says the patch notes sir.

cheemers · February 2017

This entire argument, and it doesn't even actually work..

dsalter · February 2017

cheemers wrote: »

This entire argument, and it doesn't even actually work..

unless it's been stealth fixed it does. i traded a tree i got with my house for a street lamp.

Riejael · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Expansions and DLCs do not promote P2W. They have merely added passives which are mostly useless outside of completing specific content within those DLCs. Yea, a few extra skill points but at 350+ a few extra skill points does not really beef up any character in any worthy manner.

I didn't say they did. I said they were the closest thing to P2W.

Something like Kronos would merely transfer who pays the money. Adding more people but not adding players paying to keep the game going does not help the game much.

I'm currently an ESO+ member. I would buy an ESO token to get some of my characters some gear (several are about to hit 50 and I don't have the mats to get them 160 gear). That means I effectively would buy an extra month (or a little more as it if it were like Krono or Tokens, it'd be $18-20).

Without such a means I'm merely spending 14.99 a month. I could toss in an extra 20 for someone else to get membership. That means for at least two months I would contribute 2 payments instead of one. The person who gets membership for a month benefits from experiencing it and may continue to farm gold to buy more from someone else, or enjoy the benefits enough to buy their own.

I've seen this happen in Both WoW and EQ. EQ is a great example because I've personally seen players with up to 50 or more Kronos. This was on a progression server where you had to be a member to play on as well. Because of how many Kronos were sold in EQ, they were able to open up new servers in the last two years. Not bad for a 17 year old game on its 23rd expansion.

You're right about transferring who pays. There's nothing wrong with that. There are some players who just can't afford membership for whatever reason. This allows paying members like me to subsidize their membership.

I've got money to spend. I don't mind supporting ESO, but I'm not really interested in Crowns, and I'm already a member. And I'm sure there's a few people that wouldn't mind buying such a token or whatever they want to call it for gold. And I'm not willing to go through illegitimate means to get what I want. I want anything I spend on the game to go towards the development of the game.

zyk · February 2017

Can anyone provide a status update about this issue? Is this loophole still active? Does it apply to all player home items available in the Crown Store?

Shimmer · February 2017

Apparently Its still happening as another thread popped up.

baratron · February 2017

dsalter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

While consistency is probably best, I am not sure it is such a big deal if I can sell a crown purchased fire pit. Probably a waste of 400 crown.

people are buying the crafting stations and selling them for huge amounts.

I thought that crafting stations were bought with Writ Vouchers rather than with Crowns? Am I wrong?

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

Sylance9 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

well that happened long ago when crown-exclusive motifs are released...

true but not to the point where you can buy them, then straight away put them on a guild vendor

are you referring to the imperial furnitures?

there are no offical feedback that imperial furniture blueprints are crown-exclusive yet...there is a slightly chance it is just rare

though, we shall see how ZOS respond this @ZOS_GinaBruno

you can buy mimik stones and sell the armor made from them, thats no different then furniture.

It is absolutely different. The mimic stone allows you to create armor of styles that exist in game. The crown store furniture
Can't be obtained in game.

Well that's not entirely true. There are crown exclusive motifs that require mimic stones cause the mats don't drop yet

dsalter · February 2017

baratron wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

While consistency is probably best, I am not sure it is such a big deal if I can sell a crown purchased fire pit. Probably a waste of 400 crown.

people are buying the crafting stations and selling them for huge amounts.

I thought that crafting stations were bought with Writ Vouchers rather than with Crowns? Am I wrong?

you can buy them with both

Junipus · February 2017

Sylance9 wrote: »

Uh i would also like to know @ZOS_GinaBruno because that is essentially gold selling...

Isn't it backwards gold selling? Normally it's selling vast quantities of fake currency for real world values. This seems to be selling vast quantities of real world values for fake currency, something which is only really troubling to the parents of those who play the game with mummy and daddy's credit card.

zaria · February 2017

Junipus wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

Uh i would also like to know @ZOS_GinaBruno because that is essentially gold selling...

Isn't it backwards gold selling? Normally it's selling vast quantities of fake currency for real world values. This seems to be selling vast quantities of real world values for fake currency, something which is only really troubling to the parents of those who play the game with mummy and daddy's credit card.

Its an way to get lots of gold.
It can also easy be abused by the gold seller scams who tend to use stolen credit cards.
you buy an account, then you buy expensive stuff in crown store on that card, sell them to players for lots of gold, then sell that gold to yet another player for money.
This give way better payoff than normal gold farming. And this is the main problem
not some guy with too much money selling an crafting station.

Enodoc · February 2017

This is definitely not intended, as it says in the patch notes that furnishings bought with Crowns cannot be sold for Gold. Is this still occurring?

Draconerus · February 2017

If I want to spend my hard earned money for gold I don't see anything wrong with that. Someone else can spend the gold they earned for the crown store items I paid for and earned with my time outside of the game.