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unintended feature? regarding crown bought furniture.
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Runs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »people whom have millions of gold, they have won nothing.
they are no better in thier game then those whom have 100 gold.
TIL you can buy items from the golden vendor when you have only 100 gold. TIL monster sets will not help in PvE or PvP. TIL gold jewelry will not help you in the upcoming 4x4x4.
They may as well sell costumes that give out bonuses in crown store, because they wont help and that wouldn't be P2W either.
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Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »So let's pretend someone gets very rich selling crown bought furniture for gold.. okay.. now what..?? Do you know how many players are sitting on 5-10-15-20+ million gold and nothing to do with it? Nothing to spend it on. I have just below 7 mill personally and absolutely nothing to buy. The best gear in the game doesn't come from purchasing it, almost all the best in slot gear is bind on pickup. Sure you have some random things like spinners, mothers sorrow, spriggans that sell for high prices but even if you used that ill-gotten gold for purchasing those sets you still have no advantage over anyone else. People can still buy gold from gold selling companies, having a ton of gold offers no advantages.
And I'm not advocating that this is right, I personally believe that nothing obtained via crowns should be sold for gold.. however I don't see it causing a gap or problem that injures the economy, game or it's player base.
I assume it's better value spending money to buy from gold farming companies than it is buying crowns to flip furnishings for "profit."
The difference is they earned it IN GAME, and not with their wallet, which others without a disposable income can do. I congratulate you on your ability to earn gold, but you in fact EARNED IT. Being able to make gold from crowns does in fact give you an in game advantage other those without a disposable income.
you keep saying that it is pay to win but that simply is not true, we have shown you proof that your belief is not what is happening here in eso.
you cannot pay to win in eso.
the only way to do that is if you can use real life money to buy ingame items that can be used to kill other people and / or kill PvE Bosses that other people ingame Cannot get.
please try to understand.
people whom have millions of gold, they have won nothing.
they are no better in thier game then those whom have 100 gold.
You really are lost on this one. Spending real life money to acquire items which then can be sold for in game gold which then is used to buy gear and upgrade materials is Pay to win. Period.
Arguing terminology with someone who won't accept the basic idea of pay to win isn't something that I (or many of us) are going to waste our time on. Call it "win" or "advance" or "acquire" , it's all the same thing. You are gaining advantage, particularly in character and player power, over those with less real world money to spend.7 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭yeah, heres the thing.
people with Huge amounts of ingame gold win nothing in eso.
people with Huge amounts of real life money and spend it in eso, they also win nothing.
no one has "won", "win", nor "advance" or "acquire" anything in eso.
if you think eso is pay to win in any form or manner then please tell us how.1 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »yeah, heres the thing.
people with Huge amounts of ingame gold win nothing in eso.
people with Huge amounts of real life money and spend it in eso, they also win nothing.
no one has "won", "win", nor "advance" or "acquire" anything in eso.
if you think eso is pay to win in any form or manner then please tell us how.
Repeating yourself again. Super cute, but you need to google "pay to win definition". Go ahead, I'll wait. You are completely missing the point. It's not necessarily about "winning". It's paying real money to gain an advantage over those that don't have the fiscal ability to do the same. I'm glad you have beaten the game, And have a ton of gold, but others haven't. While it may not apply to your specific player bracket ( your skill and gear and in game items) it effects others. You just keep repeating yourself over and over without bothering to read our explanations which you in fact tasked for.Edited by Shimmer on February 12, 2017 6:05AM2 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i did as suggested, here is the result:
Top Definition:
pay-to-win
Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.
Dude, you've spent like 400 bucks on this game so you can beat everyone who hasn't spent any money. Pay-to-win noob!
source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win
the above definition never happened in eso.
is not happening now in eso.
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Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i did as suggested, here is the result:
Top Definition:
pay-to-win
Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.
Dude, you've spent like 400 bucks on this game so you can beat everyone who hasn't spent any money. Pay-to-win noob!
source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win
the above definition never happened in eso.
is not happening now in eso.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i did as suggested, here is the result:
Top Definition:
pay-to-win
Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.
Dude, you've spent like 400 bucks on this game so you can beat everyone who hasn't spent any money. Pay-to-win noob!
source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win
the above definition never happened in eso.
is not happening now in eso.
I think you missed the ops post completely.... It is happening right now....
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pay to win
Paying real life currency to beat players who are inherently better than you in any game.
I'm so glad I pay to win in Hearthstone for all my cards, or I wouldn't even have a shot at beating the actual good players!
that has never happened in eso, and at current is not possible to do in eso.2 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭*sigh*. Alright I'm done responding to you. You just don't get it lol. Anyway have a good night.
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runagate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Absolutely a bug. I'm positive it even says in the patch notes that crown store bought items are not able to be traded or sold.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Crown store items can be bought and sold in game.
I suspect that's why there's a little crown icon on the items. If I had bought one I'd show you what I mean, but I remember it from PTS and thought, "That must be so you can tell which furniture is stuff you made or bought from a crafter, as opposed to Crown stuff which is bound."
In any event I imagine that the reason it's not supposed to be salable to other players is that furnishings are a dream come true for crafters who sell stuff. It's odd - I have 12 characters, half of which are master crafters, two of which are pretty full of Achievements, and I still have no intention of using crafting to sell stuff to other people. It's always more annoying and time consuming than the gold you gain and could just as easily be made running around at random looting overland mobs.0 -
HonestGabe✭✭✭The thing is, you can get equal to or better quality items from doing things like dungeons, trials, msa etc etc. Having more gold doesn't = winning anything. It makes things more convenient, yes, so therefore it is pay to convenience, NOT pay to win.Altaholic
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Doesn't seem like pay to convenience to the definition of what Pay to Win means.
"Pay To Win. When you are paying for advantage which normal players don't have access to unless they either pay too or will have to grind very long (weeks and months)."
- Urban Dictionary5 -
HonestGabe✭✭✭Urban dictionary ROFL. You don't have to grind weeks or months to make the same amount of gold you could by selling something off the crown store. Your argument is invalid but if you really want to believe eso is becoming p2w by all means you are more than welcome to
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But like I said, having more gold more quickly doesn't give you an advantage. It just makes things more convenient. Once again, pay to convenience.Edited by HonestGabe on February 12, 2017 6:53AMAltaholic
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭HonestGabe wrote: »Urban dictionary ROFL. You don't have to grind weeks or months to make the same amount of gold you could by selling something off the crown store. Your argument is invalid but if you really want to believe eso is becoming p2w by all means you are more than welcome to.
If any signs like this show up then its possible it can go strictly pure P2W, happend to BDO and tons of people left cause it went P2W.0 -
HonestGabe✭✭✭Yea, I know. I played BDO for a short while before I returned to ESO. The thing is, BDO is much more of a grind and having money means more than it does in ESO. I don't think it's as big of a problem as it is in BDO personally.Edited by HonestGabe on February 12, 2017 6:56AMAltaholic
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭HonestGabe wrote: »Yea, I know. I played BDO for a short while before I returned to ESO. The thing is, BDO is much more of a grind and having money means more than it does in ESO. I don't think it's as big of a problem as it is in BDO personally.
True, but it is still getting ahead of others in an unfair advantage to most0 -
HonestGabe✭✭✭Yea, honestly I don't completely agree with it. I don't think it should be allowed but unless they continue with this trend and further this advantage I don't see it as much of a problem.Altaholic
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭HonestGabe wrote: »Yea, honestly I don't completely agree with it. I don't think it should be allowed but unless they continue with this trend and further this advantage I don't see it as much of a problem.
It will become a major problem if they don't watch out0 -
MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just... so you know. Not intended.Purchase Tab in Housing Editor
Furnishings purchased from the Housing Editor are bound to your account, but may be moved to other homes that you own.
These items are purchased for crowns, and cannot be sold for gold.
Direct from the patch notes... https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318838/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-7-5Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord5 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Absolutely a bug. I'm positive it even says in the patch notes that crown store bought items are not able to be traded or sold.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Crown store items can be bought and sold in game.
I recall reading this somewhere as well.0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DigitalShibby wrote: »So let's pretend someone gets very rich selling crown bought furniture for gold.. okay.. now what..?? Do you know how many players are sitting on 5-10-15-20+ million gold and nothing to do with it? Nothing to spend it on. I have just below 7 mill personally and absolutely nothing to buy. The best gear in the game doesn't come from purchasing it, almost all the best in slot gear is bind on pickup. Sure you have some random things like spinners, mothers sorrow, spriggans that sell for high prices but even if you used that ill-gotten gold for purchasing those sets you still have no advantage over anyone else. People can still buy gold from gold selling companies, having a ton of gold offers no advantages.
And I'm not advocating that this is right, I personally believe that nothing obtained via crowns should be sold for gold.. however I don't see it causing a gap or problem that injures the economy, game or it's player base.
I assume it's better value spending money to buy from gold farming companies than it is buying crowns to flip furnishings for "profit."
The best PvP gear is all bought with gold and it's VERY expensive.1 -
Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Whats wrong with gold-selling? Ive said Crown Store should offer 2 mill worth of gold for players to buy.1 -
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✭You can already kind of do this with crown repair kits. When I buy crowns I get the largest pack, which means I get 5500 for £23.99. I can buy myself 10 crown repair kits for 400 crowns and save myself 1000s of gold in repair costs. Let's just say that one repair would cost 1500g in game, and one crown repair kit costs me about £0.18p irl. This means that £1 will save me a little over 7500g in game, and £30 would save me over 225000g. This isn't particularly good value and not an efficient way to make gold, but it's there.PC | EU2 -
Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭Probably will be fixed with Monday's patch and I suspect all items currently in stores will be put back in players inventory.1 -
Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Probably will be fixed with Monday's patch and I suspect all items currently in stores will be put back in players inventory.
I do hope that is the case and it is unintended.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »
are you referring to the imperial furnitures?
there are no offical feedback that imperial furniture blueprints are crown-exclusive yet...there is a slightly chance it is just rare
though, we shall see how ZOS respond this @ZOS_GinaBruno
you can buy mimik stones and sell the armor made from them, thats no different then furniture.
It is absolutely different. The mimic stone allows you to create armor of styles that exist in game. The crown store furniture
Can't be obtained in game.
I think much of it is craftable. The Redguard Fire Pit is craftable and can be obtained with crowns.0 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »
are you referring to the imperial furnitures?
there are no offical feedback that imperial furniture blueprints are crown-exclusive yet...there is a slightly chance it is just rare
though, we shall see how ZOS respond this @ZOS_GinaBruno
you can buy mimik stones and sell the armor made from them, thats no different then furniture.
It is absolutely different. The mimic stone allows you to create armor of styles that exist in game. The crown store furniture
Can't be obtained in game.
I think much of it is craftable. The Redguard Fire Pit is craftable and can be obtained with crowns.
But none of it should be tradeable once purchased for crowns.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »
are you referring to the imperial furnitures?
there are no offical feedback that imperial furniture blueprints are crown-exclusive yet...there is a slightly chance it is just rare
though, we shall see how ZOS respond this @ZOS_GinaBruno
you can buy mimik stones and sell the armor made from them, thats no different then furniture.
It is absolutely different. The mimic stone allows you to create armor of styles that exist in game. The crown store furniture
Can't be obtained in game.
I think much of it is craftable. The Redguard Fire Pit is craftable and can be obtained with crowns.
But none of it should be tradeable once purchased for crowns.
While consistency is probably best, I am not sure it is such a big deal if I can sell a crown purchased fire pit. Probably a waste of 400 crown.0 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »
While consistency is probably best, I am not sure it is such a big deal if I can sell a crown purchased fire pit. Probably a waste of 400 crown.
people are buying the crafting stations and selling them for huge amounts.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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Riejael✭✭✭✭✭I don't know why they don't add in something like Kronos. Kronos kept Everquest going and allowed for new servers to flourish. It also puts out gold sellers as they can not hope to compete.
1. Allows those who want to support the game and get a head start (useful for returning players or new p;layers) to do so.
2. Allows players to sink gold into memberships (they buy the item for membership).
The only con is items may lose gold value and gain value in the new currency. WoW combated this by price setting their Tokens and you can only go through the trade sytem, not peer to peer.
It doesn't promote Pay to Win anymore than Expansions or DLCs do. In fact it makes such entities like DLCs have less impact in P2W since you can use gold to buy membership and get access through simply playing the game. And ZOS still gets paid by someone for your access.
Sort of a win/win situation.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't know why they don't add in something like Kronos. Kronos kept Everquest going and allowed for new servers to flourish. It also puts out gold sellers as they can not hope to compete.
1. Allows those who want to support the game and get a head start (useful for returning players or new p;layers) to do so.
2. Allows players to sink gold into memberships (they buy the item for membership).
The only con is items may lose gold value and gain value in the new currency. WoW combated this by price setting their Tokens and you can only go through the trade sytem, not peer to peer.
It doesn't promote Pay to Win anymore than Expansions or DLCs do. In fact it makes such entities like DLCs have less impact in P2W since you can use gold to buy membership and get access through simply playing the game. And ZOS still gets paid by someone for your access.
Sort of a win/win situation.
Expansions and DLCs do not promote P2W. They have merely added passives which are mostly useless outside of completing specific content within those DLCs. Yea, a few extra skill points but at 350+ a few extra skill points does not really beef up any character in any worthy manner.
Something like Kronos would merely transfer who pays the money. Adding more people but not adding players paying to keep the game going does not help the game much.
Take SWTOR as an example. Non subs cannot enter Operations (their trials) but can buy a week pass per character they want to run in raids. These passes can be sold to other players and they sell for a high value in game. High end players purchase them and as a result the price went high. Does SWTOR gain more revenue as a result? No. Especially since the person who purchased the item from the crown store bought it with their cash shop currency they get monthly from their subscriptoin.
Smoke and mirrors.0