200k AP/H sitting afk at BB mine

krathos · February 2017

Exploit it, I really don't care. But at least man/woman up and admit and acknowledge that you're doing exactly that. Stop being a bunch of weasels by explaining away your guilt; you know it's wrong.

@LeifErickson is right. Do you guys just play to see who has the biggest E-Peen in the form of rank or AP gain? Is that what's getting you off at night? Do you just stare at the leader board or your alliance rank and moan softly to yourselves? I won't judge, I promise.

Chuga_Rei · February 2017

Leif made one of the most brilliant points that got almost completely ignored. What I have gathered is these "pvpers" don't care about the content at all, they just care about the status.

dancouga · February 2017

ZOS why don't you punish programmers who are lazy or incompetent to fix their bugs?

Chuga_Rei · February 2017

dancouga wrote: »

ZOS why don't you punish programmers who are lazy or incompetent to fix their bugs?

You don't know they don't. And that's not what's being discussed.

Idinuse · February 2017

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

So let me say this, the patch came out on the 6th. I led a group that night and over the course of the evening like always we went past BB mine and had to flip it yellow because it was blue. As we tend to stay pretty active no one paid any attention to the tick and we went on to another fire that was needed. I think we probably hit that particular resource 3 or 4 time that night. On the 7th we were back in pvp at our normal time discussing things and retaking resources when the tick passed across my screen I looked at it and thought that's kind of odd but ok no big deal maybe several players died. So we went on up to DC territory and did what we normally do and then went of course we had to go back down later and this time the tick was the same 6k. Now I'm thinking wtf is this right? asked a couple friends to come over and flip it again so we can test it. Of course I posted the bug on the bug forum. At what point did I cheat or exploit this?

The moment you knew it was bugged and continued to do it.

If you have 3-4 hits over a 3-4 hour period no big deal. If you have 10+ in an hour....well, bye

Like the keep wall charge bug, like the nirn bug, like the writs bug, like the gold bug, like the Twice Born bug / or more than 2 mundus stone bug, like the CP bug, like the 3+ five piece set bonus bug, like the race change bug, like the... 25 or so other bugs that people happened on, realised it was bugged and continued to do without any sort of aftermath? Oh those. Yes.

See, what really makes me flip, is that the creme de la cream has been exploiting using and abusing bugs and glitches, time after time after time without any sort of calls for bans or stripping of CP. No sir! These were on the top layer of players, and Zos has just demonstrated that nepotism is the real 6th set piece buff. It's been like this since beta.

Invis will not be fixed until those that abuse it are handed a new "glitch" to exploit that the rest of the game can't.

Chuga_Rei · February 2017

If you read the thread that's why I specifically said "now is a chance to set an example"

Also nepotism implies that everyone not banned is zos family, the word you would be looking for would be "favoritism" but that also doesn't apply, since everyone good, bad, unknown or streamer has exploited.

Lack of ethics doesn't adhere to only "the top layer"

And people have begged for harsher sentences for cheaters and punishment for exploits, what are you talking about?

Are you this upset that you got caught? Or shilling for friends who did? I have friends who did this, guess what, you are on your own champ.

If we don't punish people now, another one will come along and people will just point to this and say "they weren't punished!!!"

Idinuse · February 2017

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

If you read the thread that's why I specifically said "now is a chance to set an example"

Also nepotism implies that everyone not banned is zos family, the word you would be looking for would be "favoritism" but that also doesn't apply, since everyone good, bad, unknown or streamer has exploited.

Lack of ethics doesn't adhere to only "the top layer"

And people have begged for harsher sentences for cheaters and punishment for exploits, what are you talking about?

Are you this upset that you got caught? Or shilling for friends who did? I have friends who did this, guess what, you are on your own champ.

If we don't punish people now, another one will come along and people will just point to this and say "they weren't punished!!!"

I agree with you. Although nepotism in our modern society does not condition "family", merely acquaintance. But I do agree with you.

And I'm not caught. I'm upset over all the blatant exploits that to this date have been utilized with no action what so ever from Zos side. I see no reason why action should not be taken against any form of exploits, AP wise or otherwise. If you couldn't read that in my comment, then I feel we two are done. It's not you, it's me, I can't stand ignorant self inflated people.

Your assumptions are emanating a foul stench. Keep that stench to yourself.

Darnathian · February 2017

Anazasi wrote: »

So let me say this, the patch came out on the 6th. I led a group that night and over the course of the evening like always we went past BB mine and had to flip it yellow because it was blue. As we tend to stay pretty active no one paid any attention to the tick and we went on to another fire that was needed. I think we probably hit that particular resource 3 or 4 time that night. On the 7th we were back in pvp at our normal time discussing things and retaking resources when the tick passed across my screen I looked at it and thought that's kind of odd but ok no big deal maybe several players died. So we went on up to DC territory and did what we normally do and then went of course we had to go back down later and this time the tick was the same 6k. Now I'm thinking wtf is this right? asked a couple friends to come over and flip it again so we can test it. Of course I posted the bug on the bug forum. At what point did I cheat or exploit this?

Lmao. It was over an hour. Testing? Smh. All these excuses may fool a newbie. But amyone with half a brain sees right through that.

I know u all are praying Zos is reading this and lowers the punishment. I get it. But u post BS excuses expect to be called out by it.

You and Crown can try all u want to deflect with proper engagement of debates all u want.

But fact is it was broken. U all tested it. Found how it benefitted u all. And abused the f out of it for persoanl gain

Erondil · February 2017

LegendaryChef wrote: »

I think the fact people are actually asking if they fall under the category of exploiting or not is just crazy. Sorry but if you knew that something was not working as intended and continued to abuse it then at least be man (or woman) enough to stand up and admit it.

^^^^so much of this

Vaoh · February 2017

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

Okay let's be real for a moment .This thread has zero attention from the devs & mods who can address the problem to hotfix it in a day if that would be the big issue for them or just to let us know that they are taking care of it, but oh well. We all know how it goes with eso pvp - the best way to force devs to fix something asap is to make it public on the absurd level, so don't blame Sanct for what he did - that's just stupid.

Thilori wrote: »

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

Okay let's be real for a moment .This thread has zero attention from the devs & mods who can address the problem to hotfix it in a day if that would be the big issue for them or just to let us know that they are taking care of it, but oh well. We all know how it goes with eso pvp - the best way to force devs to fix something asap is to make it public on the absurd level, so don't blame Sanct for what he did - that's just stupid.

Really funny you say that...

1m AP, eh?
Still farming right now?
Good player.
11/10

Wow..... I mean tbh I'm not surprised or even much bothered by the fact that @Jaybe_Mawfaka (and many, many others) have no morales and are exploiting these astronomical AP gains.

I'm bothered that ZOS has:
1) Not seen this type of behavior coming when it was so easy to forsee
2) Not hotfixed or even acknoledged this issue
3) Will likely not punish the offenders at all (easy to find when ppl make 200K AP an hour...)

So now it begs the question: Should I abuse it too? Will not abusing the AP farm set me back behind everyone else, since everyone else will be doing this?

It'd be fantastic since I rarely I have time for PvP anymore..... why not increase my AP gains both easily and drastically? I could stock up on AP and purchase like 10K Spell and Weapon pots to be permanently set for PvE which I mainly play. Insane benefits, no repercussions since it's within game mechanics and ZOS doesn't care.... I just hate how ZOS drops the ball everytime on things like this.

covenant_merchant · February 2017

LegendaryChef wrote: »

I think the fact people are actually asking if they fall under the category of exploiting or not is just crazy. Sorry but if you knew that something was not working as intended and continued to abuse it then at least be man (or woman) enough to stand up and admit it.

But Baldy, what about roleplay?

As for being interested in content? Most of us are, make no mistake about that. But call us when the content won't reek of bugs and too little reward for too much dedication.

Just an example : today I logged in, went on TF - was met with a three-faction lagfest at Arrius Lumber, and a small group of 20 solo players that rushed to take back Faregyl Farm after I decided to find smallscale. Still, not being one to give up easily, I decided to come back and kite at least a few of them away (thing which I wasn't able to do because now Streak doesn't work on non-even surfaces or when being rooted. Still no ETA on fix btw). And as I was riding across the Cyrodiilic steppes on my trusted mare, I got petrified, whipped and incaped by a DK and a Nightblade which I failed to see. So, that was 20 minutes spent for 1.6k AP and no satisfaction from good fights.

At any rate, I felt it was time to join in on the immersive roleplaying at Bleakers on Haderus. Roleplay to which many "totally not casual" players participate too. Or well, at least until an organised raid is formed later today. But keep up the salt, please.

Vaoh wrote: »

So now it begs the question: Should I abuse it too? Will not abusing the AP farm set me back behind everyone else, since everyone else will be doing this?

It'd be fantastic since I rarely I have time for PvP anymore..... why not increase my AP gains both easily and drastically? I could stock up on AP and purchase like 10K Spell and Weapon pots to be permanently set for PvE which I mainly play. Insane benefits, no repercussions since it's within game mechanics and ZOS doesn't care.... I just hate how ZOS drops the ball everytime on things like this.

^ This. That's a good attitude to have. Come and join us at Bleakers, the doors are open for any open-minded player eager to share some roleplay bonding experiences. (Current prompt : capture the flag and avoid killing innocents in the process). Leave your weapons and AOE at the door, relax, and profit.

Vaoh · February 2017

covenant_merchant wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

I think the fact people are actually asking if they fall under the category of exploiting or not is just crazy. Sorry but if you knew that something was not working as intended and continued to abuse it then at least be man (or woman) enough to stand up and admit it.

But Baldy, what about roleplay?

As for being interested in content? Most of us are, make no mistake about that. But call us when the content won't reek of bugs and too little reward for too much dedication.

Just an example : today I logged in, went on TF - was met with a three-faction lagfest at Arrius Lumber, and a small group of 20 solo players that rushed to take back Faregyl Farm after I decided to find smallscale. Still, not being one to give up easily, I decided to come back and kite at least a few of them away (thing which I wasn't able to do because now Streak doesn't work on non-even surfaces or when being rooted. Still no ETA on fix btw). And as I was riding across the Cyrodiilic steppes on my trusted mare, I got petrified, whipped and incaped by a DK and a Nightblade which I failed to see. So, that was 20 minutes spent for 1.6k AP and no satisfaction from good fights.

At any rate, I felt it was time to join in on the immersive roleplaying at Bleakers on Haderus. Roleplay to which many "totally not casual" players participate too. Or well, at least until an organised raid is formed later today. But keep up the salt, please.

Vaoh wrote: »

So now it begs the question: Should I abuse it too? Will not abusing the AP farm set me back behind everyone else, since everyone else will be doing this?

It'd be fantastic since I rarely I have time for PvP anymore..... why not increase my AP gains both easily and drastically? I could stock up on AP and purchase like 10K Spell and Weapon pots to be permanently set for PvE which I mainly play. Insane benefits, no repercussions since it's within game mechanics and ZOS doesn't care.... I just hate how ZOS drops the ball everytime on things like this.

^ This. That's a good attitude to have. Come and join us at Bleakers, the doors are open for any open-minded player eager to share some roleplay bonding experiences. (Current prompt : capture the flag and avoid killing innocents in the process). Leave your weapons and AOE at the door, relax, and profit.

I'm on console. Homestead has not arrived yet.

I had already planned on not really playing much ESO until June 6th because there's no new content, vMoL HM is beaten, and I'm busy irl. This bug just reinforces me not feeling incentivized to stay.

Now I get to ponder whether or not I should give up on getting thousands of free spell pots for PvE (alliance spell pots are perfect for all but serious weekly score runs) or throw em all away.

I don't think this is even an exploit. What is happening right now is in the normal game mechanics of Homestead, correct? Eveyone is doing this and it is legit "fair" game. It's just broken asf.

I legitamately regret not using the pig farm or crafting survey exploit on the basis of morales. I could have made enough gold mats from those to easily upgrade every set piece I've ever found to Legendary and still have hundreds of stacks left, but voluntarily chose not to. If the Devs are going to allow this to happen and therefore encourage such behavior from everyone else, I'm not going to keep gimping myself by not following suite with everyone else while it's possible.

Still I don't think I'll use this unfair method of AP farming. I am very much thinking about it though and cant push aside how much time I'd save and the insane benefits it'd provide me (like it will everyone else).

covenant_merchant · February 2017

Yeah, I get what you're saying, and I don't consider this being an exploit either. Easy - sure. Condemnable - maybe. But exploit? Nope.

As it stands for me at least, it beats getting zerged alone on TF since every single person I usually play with is afk at Bleakers, and it allows me to paint my nails while getting that much closer to the final pages of the Akaviri motif that I miss.

LegendaryChef · February 2017

covenant_merchant wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

I think the fact people are actually asking if they fall under the category of exploiting or not is just crazy. Sorry but if you knew that something was not working as intended and continued to abuse it then at least be man (or woman) enough to stand up and admit it.

But Baldy, what about roleplay?

As for being interested in content? Most of us are, make no mistake about that. But call us when the content won't reek of bugs and too little reward for too much dedication.

Just an example : today I logged in, went on TF - was met with a three-faction lagfest at Arrius Lumber, and a small group of 20 solo players that rushed to take back Faregyl Farm after I decided to find smallscale. Still, not being one to give up easily, I decided to come back and kite at least a few of them away (thing which I wasn't able to do because now Streak doesn't work on non-even surfaces or when being rooted. Still no ETA on fix btw). And as I was riding across the Cyrodiilic steppes on my trusted mare, I got petrified, whipped and incaped by a DK and a Nightblade which I failed to see. So, that was 20 minutes spent for 1.6k AP and no satisfaction from good fights.

At any rate, I felt it was time to join in on the immersive roleplaying at Bleakers on Haderus. Roleplay to which many "totally not casual" players participate too. Or well, at least until an organised raid is formed later today. But keep up the salt, please.

Vaoh wrote: »

So now it begs the question: Should I abuse it too? Will not abusing the AP farm set me back behind everyone else, since everyone else will be doing this?

It'd be fantastic since I rarely I have time for PvP anymore..... why not increase my AP gains both easily and drastically? I could stock up on AP and purchase like 10K Spell and Weapon pots to be permanently set for PvE which I mainly play. Insane benefits, no repercussions since it's within game mechanics and ZOS doesn't care.... I just hate how ZOS drops the ball everytime on things like this.

^ This. That's a good attitude to have. Come and join us at Bleakers, the doors are open for any open-minded player eager to share some roleplay bonding experiences. (Current prompt : capture the flag and avoid killing innocents in the process). Leave your weapons and AOE at the door, relax, and profit.

I think we both have different interpretations of salty comments I guess. If the game is that broken then why waste time playing it at all? I tried pvp once the other night and almost laughed myself off the chair at the amount of stupid things I was seeing happen and hence I've barely even logged in.

Making excuses like the game is already broken anyway so why not go and abuse broken sh*t regardless isnt exactly good practise and if that's what it takes to tell yourself that you weren't doing anything wrong then so be it.

Go check the steam sale or do something productive if you aren't satisfied with how broken the game is atm and maybe you will find you enjoy something else other than this trash.

Edit: I'm really not even sure why I'm discussing this because I honestly couldn't care less, my original comment was made because I seen a number of people asking if they were classed as exploiting for being present at BB mine or whatever. As far as it goes the outpost gives the correct amount of ap but is just being used to Zos' stupidity of allowing to be that easily farmable.

covenant_merchant · February 2017

LegendaryChef wrote: »

covenant_merchant wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

I think the fact people are actually asking if they fall under the category of exploiting or not is just crazy. Sorry but if you knew that something was not working as intended and continued to abuse it then at least be man (or woman) enough to stand up and admit it.

But Baldy, what about roleplay?

As for being interested in content? Most of us are, make no mistake about that. But call us when the content won't reek of bugs and too little reward for too much dedication.

Just an example : today I logged in, went on TF - was met with a three-faction lagfest at Arrius Lumber, and a small group of 20 solo players that rushed to take back Faregyl Farm after I decided to find smallscale. Still, not being one to give up easily, I decided to come back and kite at least a few of them away (thing which I wasn't able to do because now Streak doesn't work on non-even surfaces or when being rooted. Still no ETA on fix btw). And as I was riding across the Cyrodiilic steppes on my trusted mare, I got petrified, whipped and incaped by a DK and a Nightblade which I failed to see. So, that was 20 minutes spent for 1.6k AP and no satisfaction from good fights.

At any rate, I felt it was time to join in on the immersive roleplaying at Bleakers on Haderus. Roleplay to which many "totally not casual" players participate too. Or well, at least until an organised raid is formed later today. But keep up the salt, please.

Vaoh wrote: »

So now it begs the question: Should I abuse it too? Will not abusing the AP farm set me back behind everyone else, since everyone else will be doing this?

It'd be fantastic since I rarely I have time for PvP anymore..... why not increase my AP gains both easily and drastically? I could stock up on AP and purchase like 10K Spell and Weapon pots to be permanently set for PvE which I mainly play. Insane benefits, no repercussions since it's within game mechanics and ZOS doesn't care.... I just hate how ZOS drops the ball everytime on things like this.

^ This. That's a good attitude to have. Come and join us at Bleakers, the doors are open for any open-minded player eager to share some roleplay bonding experiences. (Current prompt : capture the flag and avoid killing innocents in the process). Leave your weapons and AOE at the door, relax, and profit.

I think we both have different interpretations of salty comments I guess. If the game is that broken then why waste time playing it at all? I tried pvp once the other night and almost laughed myself off the chair at the amount of stupid things I was seeing happen and hence I've barely even logged in.

Making excuses like the game is already broken anyway so why not go and abuse broken sh*t regardless isnt exactly good practise and if that's what it takes to tell yourself that you weren't doing anything wrong then so be it.

Go check the steam sale or do something productive if you aren't satisfied with how broken the game is atm and maybe you will find you enjoy something else other than this trash.

Edit: I'm really not even sure why I'm discussing this because I honestly couldn't care less, my original comment was made because I seen a number of people asking if they were classed as exploiting for being present at BB mine or whatever. As far as it goes the outpost gives the correct amount of ap but is just being used to Zos' stupidity of allowing to be that easily farmable.

Duuuuude the salt comment wasn't meant for you xDD It was a general jab towards all the people campaigning for bans.

And I still like the game. I like the people (even when they don't like me back, for what is life without drama), I like the maze that I built inside my manor, I like running trials, and even farming mats in pretty places. As for getting AP without actually killing stuff, I'd like to call it pragmatic.
Come on, you can't possibly tell me that what Big Boss does is less condemnable than this ? (As in 40 man trains at 7 am that gate camp the map).

pmn100b16_ESO · February 2017

Zorgon_The_Revenged · February 2017

How can someone afk for that amount of time? Weapon swap macro maybe? I get booted to the log in screen when I fall asleep at the keyboard for 10min.

covenant_merchant · February 2017

Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »

How can someone afk for that amount of time? Weapon swap macro maybe? I get booted to the log in screen when I fall asleep at the keyboard for 10min.

Magicians never reveal their secrets.

Loicozor · February 2017

I hope they got an accept resurection macro too, because some just dyin now

Jaybe_Mawfaka · February 2017

Too bad your whining in here doesn't mean *** for the devs and nobody will be banned for any exploit when it comes to pvp

Jaybe_Mawfaka · February 2017

nvm

AbraXuSeXile · February 2017

Just went for a look, thats well bad. Cant believe its being allowed to continue.

Tarrocan · February 2017

Look at Bleakers EU Haderus ! Since 10 hours they only Switch Flag from Blue to Red. SO my Question is @ZOS_BrianWheeler is this the new PVP Mode? When yes i will Quit this game soon as Possible and ty for fun last 3 years!

yamadas · February 2017

Loicozor wrote: »

yamadas wrote: »

Just ban them all and done deal.

U dont want to play again with your guildmate?

I dont care.

If that is all good and that was indendent. And If people will not be ban i will join and make fast ap too. If that is case.

NiclasFridholm · February 2017

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Can you guys please take care of this resourse/outpost swapping. Permaban anyone who exploit this, they have no place in this game and you guys need to get rid of them!

kkravaritieb17_ESO · February 2017

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Can you guys please take care of this resourse/outpost swapping. Permaban anyone who exploit this, they have no place in this game and you guys need to get rid of them!

These new ap rewards from keep/outpost/reource flipping were stupid to begin with. Don't expect people to stop doing it unless zos actually places a cd on ap awarding after flipping something. And bans never going to happen as we have seen so far.

Jaybe_Mawfaka · February 2017

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Hello there, what's up? I'm guessing your new ap gain system is not that flawless that you thought it will be and maybe might need a slight rework eh?

You be better think about it while people are keep farming millions of ap

Valencer · February 2017

Ackwalan · February 2017

I'm fairly sure ZOS realizes the ap gain for resource flipping is FUBAR. While I don't expect any disciplinary action taken against those flipping a non bugged resource, I do expect an ap adjustement/nerf in the near future.

maxjapank · February 2017

Hope anyone exploiting gets banned or a big tag on your name that says "Cheater". My friends and I will continue to play honestly. So I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. But if we see enemy faction just sitting around, we're gonna mop you up.