Attn ZOS: We'd like to know the rules for PvP

X3ina · February 2017

Cowards ... just face it, take the ban like a man.

Chori · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

@Chori You obviously did not read the full thread through, or any of my other recent posts. Just one more person who only reads or understands 10% of what is out there, jumps to conclusions and sees what they want. Come back when you can make an intelligent argument or have something constructive to say about the thread.

Fact is, I've read the whole thread. I wont go look at what you wrote elsewhere aside of this thread, you think you are that special?lol.
The other fact is that after being called out for being biased and for put in line all the other bugs that people didn't get sanctioned for, in an attempt to either derail responsibilities of the player away or save face of the people that did this is pretty funny. You are biased since the minute you decided it was worth making a thread at the current state of the game and specially after these last few days episode of ESO Bugs galore.
And last, calling other ppl's argument not intelligent or not constructive just because you don't like what its been written doesn't make you look very smart either. Just confirms again that you read what you want to read and you endlessly argue with someone til they accept your point because that's how you want *** to be, on top of that while condoning atittudes no player should. My personal judgement/understanding to what you spill on this thread comes from what I saw in the videos, and what your posture on the issue is. I knew several bugs were going on and I chose not to even go there and that is what at the end of the day to me personally, is what makes the difference.

I find it very funny that you think since its not specifically written "you should not abuse or exploit a bug on BB mine to gain advatanges over other players" on the terms of service, that you are right condoning players for it. Mention me again when you have a better idea how Terms of Service in video games are interpreted and who at the end of the day do it.

Crown · February 2017

Chori wrote: »

after being called out for being biased and for put in line all the other bugs that people didn't get sanctioned for, in an attempt to either derail responsibilities of the player away or save face of the people that did this is pretty funny. You are biased since the minute you decided it was worth making a thread at the current state of the game and specially after these last few days episode of ESO Bugs galore.

You seem to have missed the fact that I started that paragraph with a declaration that I am biased and recognise that. I then provided my opinion. You seem not to have read my response to your point in my last reply. Your making a big issue of that rather than providing interesting or well thought out debate is what's funny.

Chori wrote: »

And last, calling other ppl's argument not intelligent or not constructive just because you don't like what its been written doesn't make you look very smart either.

You're entitled to your opinion as am I. It is very obvious that your response did not contain anything of value that benefits this discussion, and just serves as another personal attack for whatever reason you have in doing so. It's perfectly fine for you and many other people not to like me, though if you don't like what I wrote, then perhaps providing a well structured and intelligent response would be a better way to contribute rather than simply attacking me with nonsense.

Chori wrote: »

I find it very funny that you think since its not specifically written "you should not abuse or exploit a bug on BB mine to gain advatanges over other players" on the terms of service, that you are right condoning players for it.

Once again you make faulty assumptions.

What could be written in a code of ethics is something along the lines of:

If you discover a situation in which you are rewarded in a manner that is greater than it should be, immediately report it as a bug and cease all activities related to gaining that reward.

This would make sense, though as we've seen historically, this type of scenario has been allowed by ZOS. It is thus reasonable to continue gaining that reward until such time as it is patched, changed, or a statement is made by ZOS regarding it - as has been done by many players many times previously.

Another option could be:

Cooperating with members of other factions to increase AP gains outside the scope of normal combat (including but not limited to players fighting, taking resources, towns, outposts, and keeps) is not allowed.

A corollary or example for this would talk about feeding AP, feeding ticks, Moon-DiE ticks, trading flags, etc giving examples of them and explaining why they are allowed or not allowed.

Another note would be made for giving achievements away when you are Emperor or a Grand Overlord. I've given away more than a few achievements to friends and even random people who asked politely and wanted the colour for killing me. I don't see anything wrong with that, though some people might.

Kilandros · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

@Chori You obviously did not read the full thread through, or any of my other recent posts. Just one more person who only reads or understands 10% of what is out there, jumps to conclusions and sees what they want. Come back when you can make an intelligent argument or have something constructive to say about the thread.

To address your comments:

Chori wrote: »

If someone exploits a bug in the game they should be sanctioned, period.

Nobody disagrees with you there. The question in this particular case is applying the definition of exploit and to what severity it should apply - if at all. Go and read the thread again. Someone already responded about that.

Chori wrote: »

That's how it should be, not this condoning attitude of ohhh but they did this and that so I should be able to do the same or do something similar in other cases.

You're making an assumption. Read my response on that point a few posts up.

Chori wrote: »

I am talking about our most recent issue, because this is something that needs to be dealt with now aside of whatever hotfix they already released.

Based on what standard? How can you define a punishment for playing in this way, as compared to all the other things? My point on this matter is that a set of standards needs to be identified to put all the different types of issues in perspective.

Chori wrote: »

I am not derailing the topic, you are derailing your own responsibility on the matter by trying to put on a comparison line to other issues, which again they should be treated equally and sometimes even worse.

So from that perspective, using TriggerX to set all your regen to 20% higher, keep major and minor ulti regen active all the time, give you unlimited roll dodge, and the ability to walk through walls should have the same punishment as walking to a resource, taking a flag, stepping aside, waiting 45 seconds, and taking the flag again. You're definitely showing your lack of common sense here.

Chori wrote: »

If you exploited or abused a bug be a man and own to it.

Apparently you didn't notice that I was the one who posted publicly about this at the start.

Chori wrote: »

If your friends did it too, then don't condone it and be the better player.

I personally don't feel that they did anything wrong, and rather than let the trolls and hotheads blather on about perma-bans, I've decided to debate intelligently for one side of the argument. You've apparently not ever taken a debate class.. You might want to try joining a debate club - it's a lot of fun!

Chori wrote: »

You ask ZOS what are their PvP rules but you mention on the thread you are biased because you know your friends exploited/abused a bug in game to obtain an advantage over other players...like..***?

I've clearly stated my opinion. I ask that ZOS take a position either supporting or against my opinion. Every opinion is biased. You might want to think before spouting off more nonsense.

Chori wrote: »

Your whole thread is like the media propaganda trying to put people's sight away from the current issue by blaming or naming older issues.

One more piece of evidence supporting the fact that you didn't read the thread, and just jumped on a bandwagon.

Chori wrote: »

Your whole thread is like the media propaganda trying to put people's sight away from the current issue by blaming or naming older issues. You must work on CNN or RT or something

Once again - try reading the original post in its entirety. Then think a bit. Then maybe you might understand that your response made you look rather foolish.

Chori wrote: »

fact is clever ppl don't buy what you spill

Clever people are capable of thinking before they talk or write, tend to look up or research facts before formulating their opinions, and don't make generalised assumptions based on faulty information.

Now I'm really starting to hope ZOS comes down hard. It's bad enough that you seem totally unrepentant for engaging in an obvious exploit. Bad enough that you make these thinly-veiled forum arguments in an attempt to save face / skirt whatever action ZOS decides to take.

As I recall, this isn't the first time you've been the center of questionable methods of getting AP. I had no reason to question your integrity then, but now I'm starting to think Sypher may have been on to something.

Crown · February 2017

Kilandros wrote: »

Now I'm really starting to hope ZOS comes down hard. It's bad enough that you seem totally unrepentant for engaging in an obvious exploit. Bad enough that you make these thinly-veiled forum arguments in an attempt to save face / skirt whatever action ZOS decides to take.

Someone else who misinterprets.. Is this a guild-thing for you guys?

Facts:

I was the one who reported this on the forums yesterday morning, announcing that we had a group who went to BB Mine for an hour, made 200k+ AP, and explained what was happening.
We had an awesome time being social and chatting, made some new friends in zone, explaining to everyone what was going on.
I then spent the day working.
I have more than 40 million AP between my toons, and all the achievements in PvP, so AP means nothing to me. Couldn't care less about making more of it.
If there were to be a roll-back of AP, an AP penalty, or any other repercussion for making more AP than we should have made, it makes no difference to me.
I am totally unrepentant for starting this yesterday morning.
I firmly believe that though the method of making AP is not in the spirit of the game, it was not against the rules / ToS.
I advised everyone per my legal interpretation of the agreements we make with ZOS that as long as nobody used that AP to get emperor over someone who was not there, the ToS would not be violated as nobody would have a clear advantage over other players in doing so.
A whole lot of people are passionately pushing for bans or extreme action to be taken for this making of AP.
I love debating & arguing.
I'm having a lot of fun debating with them.
When people attack me, I respond intelligently and usually pick apart their arguments showing how they are wrong - if I can.
Most people, when on the receiving end of such a response, tend to make themselves look foolish by saying the same thing again in slightly different words, as your guild-mate did. This is why I so loved debating with @Anazasi as he would make intelligent responses back to me.
I'm still having fun!

Kilandros wrote: »

As I recall, this isn't the first time you've been the center of questionable methods of getting AP. I had no reason to question your integrity then, but now I'm starting to think Sypher may have been on to something.

Now, would you like to debate any particular point that I've made in any particular post or response, or would you like to continue with innuendo and unsubstantiated statements?

On the topic of "questionable methods" of getting AP, you should look up my post on how to make AP a few weeks ago. There was a whole discussion about that.

We could also get back to the point of the original post, which was trying to get an official response regarding what is and is not allowed.

Ernest145 · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

For a friend who is at work:

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind many of you how you and your friends all used nirnhoned knowing that it was behaving outside of what the devs intended, how you used dual maces knowing it was bugged, crafted TBS sets to give you multiple mundus, crafted Hist sets to give yourselves perma-dodge chance, stacked Shuffle to get your dodge chance up to 90%, chained or gap closed into outposts by targeting guards, abused the camo hunter bug to 1-shot people, abused the viper bug to get up to 4 simultaneous procs to 1-shot people, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many more common ones that we've seen over the years. Kilandros and some of the rest, you don't have a leg to stand on complaining about people who did something that doesn't affect other players' enjoyment of the game and even then for only about one day instead of for months. I disagree in principle with flipping a flag, but it is very important to note that it is FAAAAAAAR more benign compared to bugs, exploits, and unintended game mechanics that affect combat.

I just wanted someone to put the hypocrisy in check because no one had done it yet. CE is a high horse we can all get on, but getting on a high horse over extra ap given all of those historical exploits doesn't help. The argument should focus on zos' position and response. That BS is just derailing the thread.

I still don't get why people keep bringing up other bugs and exploits. Fact is people abused the bonus ap that BB mine was giving even thought it was a bug, there are multiple videos of them clearly trading the flag for ap gain. Even though some of you don't think this really hurt or affected anyone else doesn't really matter. It was bug that was abused so something should be done.

We all know zos should've done much more in the past regarding other exploits, but they didn't. Yes it is their fault for allowing the mindset of exploits being okay to used, but they never said that they were okay. People abused bugs at their own risk, many got away with it and some got banned. There is no reason why zos shouldn't punish these players. Saying "I use this exploit because in the past others used worse ones and had no consequences, so it makes it okay for me to use this one" is just wrong.

There is no reason why zos shouldn't punish these players. I'll also state what I did in another thread, I'm not asking for perma bans and this isn't personal. I don't care if you, my friends, or anyone else exploited. There are risks to abusing bugs and the people who decided to abuse them should be prepared to have consequences regardless of how big or small you think the exploit is.

Kilandros · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Now I'm really starting to hope ZOS comes down hard. It's bad enough that you seem totally unrepentant for engaging in an obvious exploit. Bad enough that you make these thinly-veiled forum arguments in an attempt to save face / skirt whatever action ZOS decides to take.

Someone else who misinterprets.. Is this a guild-thing for you guys?

Facts:
I was the one who reported this on the forums yesterday morning, announcing that we had a group who went to BB Mine for an hour, made 200k+ AP, and explained what was happening.

We had an awesome time being social and chatting, made some new friends in zone, explaining to everyone what was going on.

I then spent the day working.

I have more than 40 million AP between my toons, and all the achievements in PvP, so AP means nothing to me. Couldn't care less about making more of it.

If there were to be a roll-back of AP, an AP penalty, or any other repercussion for making more AP than we should have made, it makes no difference to me.

I am totally unrepentant for starting this yesterday morning.

I firmly believe that though the method of making AP is not in the spirit of the game, it was not against the rules / ToS.

I advised everyone per my legal interpretation of the agreements we make with ZOS that as long as nobody used that AP to get emperor over someone who was not there, the ToS would not be violated as nobody would have a clear advantage over other players in doing so.

A whole lot of people are passionately pushing for bans or extreme action to be taken for this making of AP.

I love debating & arguing.

I'm having a lot of fun debating with them.

When people attack me, I respond intelligently and usually pick apart their arguments showing how they are wrong - if I can.

Most people, when on the receiving end of such a response, tend to make themselves look foolish by saying the same thing again in slightly different words, as your guild-mate did. This is why I so loved debating with @Anazasi as he would make intelligent responses back to me.

I'm still having fun!

Kilandros wrote: »

As I recall, this isn't the first time you've been the center of questionable methods of getting AP. I had no reason to question your integrity then, but now I'm starting to think Sypher may have been on to something.

Now, would you like to debate any particular point that I've made in any particular post or response, or would you like to continue with innuendo and unsubstantiated statements?

On the topic of "questionable methods" of getting AP, you should look up my post on how to make AP a few weeks ago. There was a whole discussion about that.

We could also get back to the point of the original post, which was trying to get an official response regarding what is and is not allowed.

I answered your point of the original post 4 pages ago when I said that knowingly exploiting a bug constitutes breaking the rules/ToS.

Preyfar · February 2017

I legitimately do not believe ZOS enforces PVP rules in any way except when problems grow out of control. I say this because, way back when, people used to be able to teleport strike into keeps through various means. Entire guilds were doing this, and they were broadcasting how to do so in /zone. In fact, if you didn't do it, they'd often call you out for refusing to "help the team" by not capping keeps faster. Why siege the wall when you can just exploit through it?

This went on for months. And despite reporting people, despite providing evidence, to my knowledge nothing happened. And it took ZOS an inordinate amount of time to fix this problem. Things like this shouldn't be allowed to go on for months at a time.

I and most of my PVP guilds just quite. We lost interest. ZOS showed no interest in fixing in the problem and seemed to rank it low priority. Yet half the crap I see going on in /zone would get you banned in Wayrest or Rawl'kha in a heartbeat. Not that I care.

All I want is an equal playing field. But ZOS has different standards for PVP than they do PVE.

Satiar · February 2017

Ernest145 wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

For a friend who is at work:

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind many of you how you and your friends all used nirnhoned knowing that it was behaving outside of what the devs intended, how you used dual maces knowing it was bugged, crafted TBS sets to give you multiple mundus, crafted Hist sets to give yourselves perma-dodge chance, stacked Shuffle to get your dodge chance up to 90%, chained or gap closed into outposts by targeting guards, abused the camo hunter bug to 1-shot people, abused the viper bug to get up to 4 simultaneous procs to 1-shot people, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many more common ones that we've seen over the years. Kilandros and some of the rest, you don't have a leg to stand on complaining about people who did something that doesn't affect other players' enjoyment of the game and even then for only about one day instead of for months. I disagree in principle with flipping a flag, but it is very important to note that it is FAAAAAAAR more benign compared to bugs, exploits, and unintended game mechanics that affect combat.

I just wanted someone to put the hypocrisy in check because no one had done it yet. CE is a high horse we can all get on, but getting on a high horse over extra ap given all of those historical exploits doesn't help. The argument should focus on zos' position and response. That BS is just derailing the thread.

I still don't get why people keep bringing up other bugs and exploits. Fact is people abused the bonus ap that BB mine was giving even thought it was a bug, there are multiple videos of them clearly trading the flag for ap gain. Even though some of you don't think this really hurt or affected anyone else doesn't really matter. It was bug that was abused so something should be done.

We all know zos should've done much more in the past regarding other exploits, but they didn't. Yes it is their fault for allowing the mindset of exploits being okay to used, but they never said that they were okay. People abused bugs at their own risk, many got away with it and some got banned. There is no reason why zos shouldn't punish these players. Saying "I use this exploit because in the past others used worse ones and had no consequences, so it makes it okay for me to use this one" is just wrong.

There is no reason why zos shouldn't punish these players. I'll also state what I did in another thread, I'm not asking for perma bans and this isn't personal. I don't care if you, my friends, or anyone else exploited. There are risks to abusing bugs and the people who decided to abuse them should be prepared to have consequences regardless of how big or small you think the exploit is.

You abused bugged emp siege, what exactly is the appropriate response from ZoS in your opinion?

KILLING4ALIVING · February 2017

The OP was correct that we need more clarity from ZOS on the rules. That is about the only thing I agree with him about. In regards to the Black Boot Mine exploit. Black Boot Mine is broken, it gives 4x the attended amount of AP. Yes, this is completely ZOS's fault. These are facts. However, players knowingly, intentionally, and repeatedly taking advantage of this being broken is exploiting. There is no argument here. These players are taking advantage of this being broken to get a monetary advantage over other players, not to mention the advantage they receive on campaign leader boards and Alliance Rank. One player was even spotted doing this with the emperor title on a campaign. Although he claimed his emperor title was gotten legitimately the day before he started taking advantage of this exploit. Call me cynical, but I don't buy it. The only possible way for other player to compete with the amount of AP these players are pulling down would be to do the exact same thing their selves. How can anyone argue that taking advantage of something so broken is not an exploit?

Bazeric · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

What *I* and a few others are trying to debate (and this thread was derailed to such) is whether any punishment is due for the people that made AP that way.

Sure, in this particular case, if there are any kind of logs that show who has gained AP at BB mine, during the exploitable period, can be deducted the incorrectly rewarded amount.

If they can't do this then my fun idea (I just had) could apply to a 3 strike system that works as such (effective after the 3 time using any know exploit - because after the 3rd time you know it is an exploit((which means ZOS's would have to define them, unfortunately))):

1st strike - 24 hours in-game time in which the abuser's Player Characters(PC) are forced to wear the orange jumpsuit. They will be unable to equip any armor, jewerly, weapons, outfits, clothing, disguises, or any cosmetic clothing item including crown store items and instead are forced to wear an orange jumpsuit (or something to that nature) which includes 0 bonuses to stats. [They are still perfectly able to play, but will have time to reflect]

2nd strike - 72 hours in-game time in which, again, PCs are forced to wear the orange jumpsuit in addition to the new punishment of revoking the use of character skills and passives. [Still able to do many things in game - namely reflect on decisions made]

3rd strike - 2 week actual ban from logging into the game. [At this point it is becoming a trend and can't just be by ignorance/accident]

If they so choose to exploit again after all this then PermaBan (TM).

Seems fair and fun enough to me.

Earendal · February 2017

@crown Any way I could get this thread summarized in spreadsheet form? I only read 10% of what was said and I need help digesting the rest.

Overall, 10/10 thread, would read 10% again (or 100% in spreadsheet form). Can't wait to see ZoS's reply.

KisoValley · February 2017

It's funny. Some people on this thread were abusing BB mine (unlike me, I was just roleplaying a war), yet are complaining about people not being banned and giving their opinions on what punishments should be handed out.

Some of these people have even exploited other things, double mundus for example, vmol being another. I know there are pictures of a certain person (fruit?) on this thread exploiting vmol that I have seen over discord.

If you're going to cry about it, at least make sure you're not a hypocrite first.

Arthg · February 2017

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I was at a gamed stop the other day there were three people talking about ESO, two of three were talking about don't waste your time in ESO it is nothing but a bunch of cheaters, I spoke up told them a few good things about the game but had to admit cheating and exploiting is pretty bad and goes unchecked for the most part or it seems that way.

Word on the street is never wrong

That's what happens when there's no cops to be seen.

Crown · February 2017

@KisoValley What was the vmol exploit? I don't pay very much attention to PvE things lately.

NightbladeMechanics · February 2017

Cop out thread imo.

Only notable takeaway is that ZOS should enforce against exploiting more strongly than it does.

I argue that if comparable AP/hr can be gained via feeding or flag trading than in actual PvP, then the system is broken. "Working as intended" is irrelevant when ZOS's history of intended changes is so flawed.

And with gold and achievements and titles and status earned via AP gains, emperorship is also not required for AP exploitation to be a serious offense.

/thread

Glory · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

@Glory What I'm doing is debating on behalf of all the people who went to BB mine, and there were hundreds (at least). I view things very pragmatically. There's no justification or excuse making as some people seem to emotionally respond based on their own morals. It's simple - I enjoy debating and arguing. This is a great point to debate, and other than a lot of people saying, "it's wrong" I have not seen a reasonable argument as to why it is wrong or who it hurt. I welcome a good debate... It's too bad @Anazasi agrees with me on this.

pragmatic
adjective: dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
synonyms: practical, matter-of-fact, sensible, down-to-earth, commonsensical, businesslike, having both/one's feet on the ground, hardheaded, no-nonsense

Two things:

You did not have to define a word you used in a sentence. I too went to high school at some point, and it comes off as condescending that you think you need to provide a Google'd definition.
If you truly cannot see how exploiting a bugged resource to get AP does not harm others by diminishing the value of everyone's legitimate efforts to increase in rank, then I'm truly sad for you right now.

Crown · February 2017

@Glory AP gains as of this patch have rendered any PvP rank almost meaningless. Give it another 2-3 months, and we'll have hundreds of AR50s - if not a few weeks with the way outposts are being traded the past few hours. Right now I believe there are less than 100 globally. I was proud of being around the 15th to reach Grand Overlord worldwide and the first for AD/NA. Now it's just a title that anyone can get given a few weeks to months of playing if that's their goal (as opposed to a goal of having fun and playing for excellence).

Regarding the definition, you and many others know words. Many people who went to university (including one I'm in TS with now) do not. It was an important definition to me that made a point, so to ensure that it was well understood I included the definition - not as a slight to you, but to help those who would gloss over the word not understanding (which happens way too often when I post paragraphs that contain words with more than two syllables ;-)

Darnathian · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

@Chori You obviously did not read the full thread through, or any of my other recent posts. Just one more person who only reads or understands 10% of what is out there, jumps to conclusions and sees what they want. Come back when you can make an intelligent argument or have something constructive to say about the thread.

To address your comments:

Chori wrote: »

If someone exploits a bug in the game they should be sanctioned, period.

Nobody disagrees with you there. The question in this particular case is applying the definition of exploit and to what severity it should apply - if at all. Go and read the thread again. Someone already responded about that.

Chori wrote: »

That's how it should be, not this condoning attitude of ohhh but they did this and that so I should be able to do the same or do something similar in other cases.

You're making an assumption. Read my response on that point a few posts up.

Chori wrote: »

I am talking about our most recent issue, because this is something that needs to be dealt with now aside of whatever hotfix they already released.

Based on what standard? How can you define a punishment for playing in this way, as compared to all the other things? My point on this matter is that a set of standards needs to be identified to put all the different types of issues in perspective.

Chori wrote: »

I am not derailing the topic, you are derailing your own responsibility on the matter by trying to put on a comparison line to other issues, which again they should be treated equally and sometimes even worse.

So from that perspective, using TriggerX to set all your regen to 20% higher, keep major and minor ulti regen active all the time, give you unlimited roll dodge, and the ability to walk through walls should have the same punishment as walking to a resource, taking a flag, stepping aside, waiting 45 seconds, and taking the flag again. You're definitely showing your lack of common sense here.

Chori wrote: »

If you exploited or abused a bug be a man and own to it.

Apparently you didn't notice that I was the one who posted publicly about this at the start.

Chori wrote: »

If your friends did it too, then don't condone it and be the better player.

I personally don't feel that they did anything wrong, and rather than let the trolls and hotheads blather on about perma-bans, I've decided to debate intelligently for one side of the argument. You've apparently not ever taken a debate class.. You might want to try joining a debate club - it's a lot of fun!

Chori wrote: »

You ask ZOS what are their PvP rules but you mention on the thread you are biased because you know your friends exploited/abused a bug in game to obtain an advantage over other players...like..***?

I've clearly stated my opinion. I ask that ZOS take a position either supporting or against my opinion. Every opinion is biased. You might want to think before spouting off more nonsense.

Chori wrote: »

Your whole thread is like the media propaganda trying to put people's sight away from the current issue by blaming or naming older issues.

One more piece of evidence supporting the fact that you didn't read the thread, and just jumped on a bandwagon.

Chori wrote: »

Your whole thread is like the media propaganda trying to put people's sight away from the current issue by blaming or naming older issues. You must work on CNN or RT or something

Once again - try reading the original post in its entirety. Then think a bit. Then maybe you might understand that your response made you look rather foolish.

Chori wrote: »

fact is clever ppl don't buy what you spill

Clever people are capable of thinking before they talk or write, tend to look up or research facts before formulating their opinions, and don't make generalised assumptions based on faulty information.

Zos has stated they are discussing what actions are to be taken correct? So whats the point of debating.

KisoValley · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

@KisoValley What was the vmol exploit? I don't pay very much attention to PvE things lately.

Could get out of map. I'm sure you can imagine the possibilities once you are out of map. There was a video which blew the whole situation up, but it had been going on for months beforehand. Zos fixed it a da or 2 after the video became public.

ozimoon3rwb17_ESO · February 2017

Well the 'Moon DiE Tick' is not an exploit, its simply a way to reward a guild member, it breaks no rules. This notion that I only used it for myself is also very wrong. All of my guild benefited. And one thing is for sure, I never used that technique to get my first and hardest Emperorship on AB. That was pure grind mixed with super bat! Made up a 5million deficit and then held Emperor for 39 days and it took a cheat to dethrone me

Crown · February 2017

Darnathian wrote: »

Zos has stated they are discussing what actions are to be taken correct? So whats the point of debating.

@Darnathian Debate because it's fun! Who do anything for any other reason?

Crown · February 2017

KisoValley wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@KisoValley What was the vmol exploit? I don't pay very much attention to PvE things lately.

Could get out of map. I'm sure you can imagine the possibilities once you are out of map. There was a video which blew the whole situation up, but it had been going on for months beforehand. Zos fixed it a da or 2 after the video became public.

I recall someone talking about the Dromathra skin being easy to get.. Was anyone able to do this or only those who could gap close through a wall or some such?

Crown · February 2017

ozimoon3rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Well the 'Moon DiE Tick' is not an exploit, its simply a way to reward a guild member, it breaks no rules. This notion that I only used it for myself is also very wrong. All of my guild benefited. And one thing is for sure, I never used that technique to get my first and hardest Emperorship on AB. That was pure grind mixed with super bat! Made up a 5million deficit and then held Emperor for 39 days and it took a cheat to dethrone me

@ozimoon3rwb17_ESO It was never an exploit, though enough people complain about it that I believe it should be listed somewhere as "this is something that your friends can choose to do to help you by giving up their own AP gains and giving them to you". I missed those first days of PvP - only started a couple months in. I'll never forget how you and DiE helped crown me for the first time on Chillrend after my.. former guildmates told me that they wouldn't help and I didn't deserve it because some of them who had been playing longer hadn't been emp yet. A lot of my leadership skill I credit to learning to play this game with you - I never got a chance to tell you how much I appreciated that. Hope you're having fun in whatever you're playing these days!

pcar944 · February 2017

Kilandros wrote: »

@Crown you guys weren't just trading any resource--you were trading a resource that you knew to be bugged and yielding far more AP than it should have been. If you can't discern the difference between exploiting an intended mechanic and exploiting a bug, then no amount of forum posting in the world will help you figure it out.

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KisoValley · February 2017

Crown wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

@KisoValley What was the vmol exploit? I don't pay very much attention to PvE things lately.

Could get out of map. I'm sure you can imagine the possibilities once you are out of map. There was a video which blew the whole situation up, but it had been going on for months beforehand. Zos fixed it a da or 2 after the video became public.

I recall someone talking about the Dromathra skin being easy to get.. Was anyone able to do this or only those who could gap close through a wall or some such?

Put it this way. There are kids with 200 cp walking around with the skin. They either paid the standard fee of 2M for it, or exploited it.

ZOS_GregoryV · February 2017

After reviewing this thread and removing a handful of posts, we have decided that this thread will remain closed as it has simply gone down hill. Thank you for your understanding.