Confessions of a Dunmer Hater

SnuggleMePlease · February 2017

Queen Ayrenn does have a point though, you gotta admit.

#BosmerMasterRaceTho

Uriel_Nocturne · February 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

My "displeasure" of the Elven kind dates back to my exposure to The Elder Scrolls through Skyrim, though back then my view was much more centered on the High Elves as they were center stage in the game story wise. However Elder Scrolls Online has given me the opportunity to experience all cultures through ZOS' story telling, and over the almost two years of playing now I've developed a, well, developed, hate of Elves more so. But Dunmer especially.

I hate their Superiority complex.

I hate their strict, extreme devotion to their "Living Gods".

I hate how naturally Evil looking their facial features are.

But most of all, I hate their Slavery.

I know it's just a fantasy game and it's just a part of the Race's Culture and Tradition, but still the broad subjugation, enslavement, and objectification of pretty much every other Race that doesn't have pointy ears has earned them the number one spot on my list of what grinds my Dwemer gears. I used to believe the High Elves were the worst, what with their excessive Superiority complex and all, but when I learned more about the Dunmer, I realized they were FAR worse. The difference? The High Elves only want to rule over you. The Dark Elves want to own you. Dunno about you but I see that as much worse.

But on to my point of all this. Lately I've been missing out on the playstyle of a Magicka Dragonknight. I love Magicka and I miss Flame Lashing everything in my path. Playing with my Mag Sorc I discovered over time that AoE abilities are FANTASTIC in PvE content, and PvE is what I care about the most. MagKnights have several Magicka AoE abilities and having Flame Lash on top of it all would be icing on a cake I've learned to bake with my Sorc. But the thing is, every time I've made a Character, it's ALWAYS been a Khajiit. The Khajiit are the only Race in Elder Scrolls that fascinates me the most. They're the underdog, the downtrodden, the prejudiced, and especially for me, the non-Human. I've loved Khajiit since Skyrim and I just can't see myself in a Fantasy setting now if I don't have fluffy ears and a tail. And it should be common knowledge now that Khajiit don't have ANY Racial bonuses regarding Magic. They're the best StamBlades, but the worst Magic Casters. So, I had to do some thinking and decided I guess it was time to move outside the box.

But what Race would this MagKnight be? Something that specializes in Magic. Breton? Well, nah I don't feel like much of a Breton kind of person when it comes to that people. High Elf? Oh Hell no never. Pretty soon I was left with one option that fits MagKnights to a 'T'. A Dunmer. Of course. The Race I hated so much is best suited to play a Magic Dragonknight. But then, as I thought more about it, gears went a'turnin. Certainly not ALL Dunmer are egotistical slave driving Nyx Hounds. That would be generalizing. Surely there had to be naysayers within the Race, outcasts, progressives. That would certainly clear my mind of having a Dunmer Character. So that gave me the will to get into the Creation Menu, making my very first EVER Dunmer that I liked, and when it came to the name, I continued my tradition of Lore Friendly names and thought I'd give her the name of one of the Great Houses. So I looked them up, read about them in the Lore. And hot damn wouldn't you know it? I found this little line under House Hlaalu that made my night.

However, House Hlaalu's most distinguishing characteristic was its willingness to live in harmony with the other races, setting it apart from the other, occasionally xenophobic, Dunmer Great Houses.

That settled it. The Lore has spoken. My desire for there to be a Dunmer that rejects the traditionalist Evils of her people to exist is backed by Canon. So now, even though I still cannot stand the majority of the Dark Elves, I now have one of my own.

Teva Hlaalu

tl;dr: I hate the Dunmer. They're crap. But I wanted a decent Magicka Dragonknight. So I found a way to have a Dunmer character without hating it too much.

I understand your jealousy, OP. It's not easy to admit that you're inferior to myself or my brethren Dunmer, or to wish that you had all of the gifts that the Three have bestowed upon us.

We are, after all, the superior Mer; and the Tribunal is far more active in our lives than those distant, impersonal "Divines". That sort of boon is definitely and justly, the cause of much jealousy, and I'm sorry you weren't lucky enough to have been born Dunmer like myself.

It is best to simply accept the truth and move on with your lesser existence.

cjthibs · February 2017

So what...you'd rather all characters be pure and virtuous?
How boring would that be?

nine9six · February 2017

And there's a spot for you in Great House Hlaalu if you're on PC - NA.

ThePaleItalian · February 2017

Orc

#underbitesmatter

Waffennacht · February 2017

You do realize Mer were created and formed by and from much more powerful spirits and long before Men existed.

I'm positive Magnus was Mer.

Men are later formed and more closely related to animals and beasts.

Inherently Mer are more sophisticated and powerful.

Mer are more closely related to Divinity

Why, would you, Man-Beast, think you can compare to that which is of a God?

Berenhir · February 2017

max_only · February 2017

All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce.

-Bosmeri wisdom

Uriel_Nocturne · February 2017

max_only wrote: »

All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce.

-Bosmeri wisdom

*places a bush between this Dunmer and the Bosmer*

Yep, I'm good.

AzuraKin · February 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

My "displeasure" of the Elven kind dates back to my exposure to The Elder Scrolls through Skyrim, though back then my view was much more centered on the High Elves as they were center stage in the game story wise. However Elder Scrolls Online has given me the opportunity to experience all cultures through ZOS' story telling, and over the almost two years of playing now I've developed a, well, developed, hate of Elves more so. But Dunmer especially.

I hate their Superiority complex.

I hate their strict, extreme devotion to their "Living Gods".

I hate how naturally Evil looking their facial features are.

But most of all, I hate their Slavery.

I know it's just a fantasy game and it's just a part of the Race's Culture and Tradition, but still the broad subjugation, enslavement, and objectification of pretty much every other Race that doesn't have pointy ears has earned them the number one spot on my list of what grinds my Dwemer gears. I used to believe the High Elves were the worst, what with their excessive Superiority complex and all, but when I learned more about the Dunmer, I realized they were FAR worse. The difference? The High Elves only want to rule over you. The Dark Elves want to own you. Dunno about you but I see that as much worse.

But on to my point of all this. Lately I've been missing out on the playstyle of a Magicka Dragonknight. I love Magicka and I miss Flame Lashing everything in my path. Playing with my Mag Sorc I discovered over time that AoE abilities are FANTASTIC in PvE content, and PvE is what I care about the most. MagKnights have several Magicka AoE abilities and having Flame Lash on top of it all would be icing on a cake I've learned to bake with my Sorc. But the thing is, every time I've made a Character, it's ALWAYS been a Khajiit. The Khajiit are the only Race in Elder Scrolls that fascinates me the most. They're the underdog, the downtrodden, the prejudiced, and especially for me, the non-Human. I've loved Khajiit since Skyrim and I just can't see myself in a Fantasy setting now if I don't have fluffy ears and a tail. And it should be common knowledge now that Khajiit don't have ANY Racial bonuses regarding Magic. They're the best StamBlades, but the worst Magic Casters. So, I had to do some thinking and decided I guess it was time to move outside the box.

But what Race would this MagKnight be? Something that specializes in Magic. Breton? Well, nah I don't feel like much of a Breton kind of person when it comes to that people. High Elf? Oh Hell no never. Pretty soon I was left with one option that fits MagKnights to a 'T'. A Dunmer. Of course. The Race I hated so much is best suited to play a Magic Dragonknight. But then, as I thought more about it, gears went a'turnin. Certainly not ALL Dunmer are egotistical slave driving Nyx Hounds. That would be generalizing. Surely there had to be naysayers within the Race, outcasts, progressives. That would certainly clear my mind of having a Dunmer Character. So that gave me the will to get into the Creation Menu, making my very first EVER Dunmer that I liked, and when it came to the name, I continued my tradition of Lore Friendly names and thought I'd give her the name of one of the Great Houses. So I looked them up, read about them in the Lore. And hot damn wouldn't you know it? I found this little line under House Hlaalu that made my night.

However, House Hlaalu's most distinguishing characteristic was its willingness to live in harmony with the other races, setting it apart from the other, occasionally xenophobic, Dunmer Great Houses.

That settled it. The Lore has spoken. My desire for there to be a Dunmer that rejects the traditionalist Evils of her people to exist is backed by Canon. So now, even though I still cannot stand the majority of the Dark Elves, I now have one of my own.

Teva Hlaalu

tl;dr: I hate the Dunmer. They're crap. But I wanted a decent Magicka Dragonknight. So I found a way to have a Dunmer character without hating it too much.

the bosmer grandmistress of house telvanni takes offence that someone would dare call the master race evil. the dunmer worship the good gods the daedra. not the evil weak gods known as aedra or the 8 divine. divine my ass what do they know of being a god. all they are are servants of his worshipfulness the daedra prince lorkhan. we do not have 3 living gods, we have 3 anticipations of our gods. our lord vivic anticipation of mephala oh bless her name, our lord sotha sil anticipation of azura oh bless her holy name, and our lady almalexia anticipation of boethia oh bless his name. by them do we worship the great princes cousin the great and terrible sithis whose realm is nothingness. nay it is not the dunmer who worship the true gods that are evil, it is those of you who worship the false gods, the pretenders to the thrones of the immortals. forsake thy evil ways and join the light of the daedra.

AlMcFly · February 2017

I've met many extremely nice and brave Dunmer, I just don't find the physical features of their face in general attractive. That glabella area between the eyebrows makes them look like they are in a constant state of furrowed brow. A lot of Dunmer also seem to not have Iris' and/or pupils in their eyes, making them look like Roswell aliens.

SolarCat02 · February 2017

The Dunmer are not my favorite of the races, but they do have the most fascinating lore in my opinion. I also enjoy visiting their homelands, and the mushroom houses are awesome! (Very sad there are none in ESO yet. Hopefully Morrowind?)

One thing I just can't figure out, though, and maybe you can help me?

What does Almalexia have against pants?

I_killed_Vivec · February 2017

You keep saying "since Skyrim" like it wasn't the game immediately previous to ESO! You might have a different idea about dunmer if you'd become the Nerevarine in Morrowind...

Then you go on about slavery... and you're not even an Argonian, merely an untrustworthy khajiit thief

pod88kk · February 2017

Go build a house from the mud off my boot, filthy Argonian..... I don't care how lusty your maids are.

Hallothiel · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Queen Ayrenn does have a point though, you gotta admit.

#BosmerMasterRaceTho

No.

Just no.

ArchMikem · February 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

And you seem to be reading a tad too much into it. I even said in the OP how I know it's a fantasy game.

ArchMikem wrote: »

I hate their Superiority complex.

I hate their strict, extreme devotion to their "Living Gods".

I hate how naturally Evil looking their facial features are.

But most of all, I hate their Slavery.

ArchMikem wrote: »

I know it's just a fantasy game and it's just a part of the Race's Culture and Tradition,

AlMcFly · February 2017

SolarCat02 wrote: »

The Dunmer are not my favorite of the races, but they do have the most fascinating lore in my opinion.

I agree. Although I don't find their racial appearance attractive, their lore/history is extremely enthralling.

117Dios · February 2017

KaiDynasty wrote: »

You never heard the story of bretons and orcs right? ...

Alas, you see, Orcs are elves turned into a different version of themselves, while Bretons are Half-mer. Sadly, with that kind of lineage, some things are bound to happen.

MythicEmperor · February 2017

..........

WHAT HERESY IS THIS?????????

*Calms down over the course of an hour*

How dare you question the superiority of the Dunmer race, N'wah? What right have you to judge our culture and our customs?

1. We are superior. You came to face this fact yourself when making a MagDK.
2. Our living gods are better than your dead Aedra, the bones of Nirn
3. I love my face!
4. As a Telvanni, I can proudly say that slavery is among the greatest of things. What else would I test my spells on? The best part is, when I am done, I always have a new pair of leather boots.
5. Did I mention that we are superior?

In conclusion, we must subjugate all N'wah S'wits.

Uriel_Nocturne · February 2017

SolarCat02 wrote: »

What does Almalexia have against pants?

We Dunmer are grateful (very grateful) for ALL of Almalexia's "gifts" to us.

Do not question Mother Morrowind's generosity, N'wah.

SolarCat02 · February 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

What does Almalexia have against pants?

We Dunmer are grateful (very grateful) for ALL of Almalexia's "gifts" to us.

Do not question Mother Morrowind's generosity, N'wah.

Almalexia and Lyris Titanborn are why I cannot quest in first person, even if I wanted to for immersion purposes.

I just feel so dirty with my eye level view.

JinMori · February 2017

From my understanding of the elder scrolls lore, most high elves are not like the thalmor.

GrigorijMalahevich · February 2017

Racist.

The_Lex · February 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

You do realize Mer were created and formed by and from much more powerful spirits and long before Men existed.

I'm positive Magnus was Mer.

Men are later formed and more closely related to animals and beasts.

Inherently Mer are more sophisticated and powerful.

Mer are more closely related to Divinity

Why, would you, Man-Beast, think you can compare to that which is of a God?

No, no, no. Nope. Spend some time in the Imperial Library.

Zyrudin · February 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

I know it's just a fantasy game and it's just a part of the Race's Culture and Tradition,

...but still you hate.

Sigtric · February 2017

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You do realize Mer were created and formed by and from much more powerful spirits and long before Men existed.

I'm positive Magnus was Mer.

Men are later formed and more closely related to animals and beasts.

Inherently Mer are more sophisticated and powerful.

Mer are more closely related to Divinity

Why, would you, Man-Beast, think you can compare to that which is of a God?

No, no, no. Nope. Spend some time in the Imperial Library.

Imperials? N'wah that need to mind their own business.

The_Lex · February 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You do realize Mer were created and formed by and from much more powerful spirits and long before Men existed.

I'm positive Magnus was Mer.

Men are later formed and more closely related to animals and beasts.

Inherently Mer are more sophisticated and powerful.

Mer are more closely related to Divinity

Why, would you, Man-Beast, think you can compare to that which is of a God?

No, no, no. Nope. Spend some time in the Imperial Library.

Imperials? N'wah that need to mind their own business.

Haha. Of course! But he has to start somewhere. We, Telvanni, won't take him. On second thought, he might be useful for my experiments...

theher0not · February 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I know it's just a fantasy game and it's just a part of the Race's Culture and Tradition,

...but still you hate.

People hated Joffrey and Ramsay in GoT. How I see it is that if something fictional can be "hated" it is a sing that it is well made (unless it is hated because how bad it is. But that clearly isn't the case with the Dunmer)

Foxic · February 2017

The hlaalu are race traitors in bed with the imperials that get snuffed out when the imperials leave morrowind. Have fun

Uriel_Nocturne · February 2017

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Lemme just say this:

Tsaesci would mop the floor with the Dunmer if they went one on one in full-scale war.

They did try. The Dunmer won. Akiviri invasion failed, thanks to the Dunmer.

To all the other races of Tamriel: You're welcome.