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The non organisation of main quests drives away new players..
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✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »@Turelus
"MAKE ESO MORE LIKE A SANDBOX ELDER SCROLLS GAME!!!
ESO IS TOO MUCH LIKE A SANDBOX ELDER SCROLLS GAME!!!"
lol this! So true!
No one ever cmolained that this game was to close to skyrim or oblivion, or at least i have never seen it
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Every single casual PvE/story hating thread ever.Bigevilpeter wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »@Turelus
"MAKE ESO MORE LIKE A SANDBOX ELDER SCROLLS GAME!!!
ESO IS TOO MUCH LIKE A SANDBOX ELDER SCROLLS GAME!!!"
lol this! So true!
No one ever cmolained that this game was to close to skyrim or oblivion, or at least i have never seen it@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »@Turelus
"MAKE ESO MORE LIKE A SANDBOX ELDER SCROLLS GAME!!!
ESO IS TOO MUCH LIKE A SANDBOX ELDER SCROLLS GAME!!!"
lol this! So true!
No one ever cmolained that this game was to close to skyrim or oblivion, or at least i have never seen it
That was one of the main complaints back in the early days."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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✭✭✭All the zone quests go under the tab heading for that zone.
Are you wanting the tabs broken down even further to something like:
Main Tab: Glenumbra
Tab: Glenumbra Storyline
Tab: Glenumbra Side Quests
I guess that makes sense although I personally haven't had issues figuring out what quest was part of the next chain. I guess if I left off the main zone quest for a while I might forget which of the Glenumbra zone quests picked it back up again. But it's not like I'm going to mix it up with quests for other zones and things because they are all in their own tabs.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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SaRuZ✭✭✭✭✭The faction-zone quests sucked anyway and contradicted itself to the point of being shameful.
Daggerfall Covenant - Glenumbra: Stop evil necromancer from destroying Glenumbra using his pet werewolf & cult members.
Ebonheart Pact - Stone Falls: Stop evil Daggerfall Covenant from using necromancy and black magic to take over EP.
Pretty *** dumb if you ask me. Funny, I didn't even catch a whisper of the invasion of EP by DC while doing Covenant quest
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elantaura✭✭✭✭I've rescued a few newbies from doing craglorn hard stuff and rage quitting. See the DC storyline goes glenumbra, stormhaven and in there you see a cart which takes you too craglorn. Which looks right as it's nearby. They run in and out of group zones don't understand why some delves they can do some they can't. Attempting to do DAilys end up in a confused mess unsure what to do.
Now you can follow cadwells silver and gold butchered is no bronze, having a bronze level and setting this up strait of the bat with a fresh character. with an occasional informative load screen message hinting at, or putting it in wailing prison for the mentio it might help.PS4 EU 1200+ cp - I enjoy RP, Housing, PVE and PVP0 -
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This has nothing so to with one tamriel. It was like this from the start. After completing your alliance, you could do Cadwell's Silver and Cadwell's Gold after that. I agree it makes no sense at all and the story justification is ridiculous (You needing to see the story from multiple perspectives, to be able to handle future threats).MLGProPlayer wrote: »I don't like how One Tamriel opens up the main quest lines from competing alliances.
It doesn't make sense from a chronological or lore perspective. All 3 alliance quest lines happen concurrently, so doing them consecutively results in a nonsensical story. It also doesn't make sense lore-wise because why would the king of the Daggerfall Covenenant hire the Aldmeri Dominion's top agent (you) to work for him? And why would said agent take on quests where they kill their own countrymen?
But you can thank the pre-launch whiners for that. They screamed murder about the factionlocked zones, and wanted to be able to do the entire game on one character. ZOS caved in the end and this is the result. A hastily constructed opening of story lines that makes no sense at all. After your initial storyline is done and you switch over, it all becomes loose sand. I really couldn't get into it. Not at all.
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BoloBoffin✭✭✭✭✭Yes I agree but it only needs to be a little icon next to the quest or bolded letters etc. - a subset of tabs could just be more confusing.
This. Like a little ZQ: by the quest name in the journal, and a yellow arrow for those quest givers that pop up after you've completed one.Been there, got the Molag Bal polymorph.0 -
subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Well there you have it. This community cannot make up its mind.
First, oh I want to be able to quest anywhere!
*gives us one tam*
Oh! Too many choices and I'm confused! Pull back on the quests!
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✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »and annoys old players.
Most of my friends who I try to get into the game just get lost with all the quests scattered everywhere and no specific order or direction.
while side quests should be like that, the main alliance quests should have a tab on its own in the journal that directs you in where to go next just like all previous elder scrolls game.
Even as an old player who has 6 characters at max level I still get lost finding the next alliance quests and i need to do them for the skill points.
Wrothgar questline should have a tab of its own, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, etc. On wrothgar it took me a few months to discover the next main quest by accident.
I've had a couple of friends who left the game from the beginnging just from how unorganised the quest system was.
Please fix this ZOS, I think this is a simple enough fix that should greatly improve the quality of life for players.
THIS IS ELDERSCROLLS!!!!!!!!!! PLAYERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME NO MATTER WHAT THE FACTIONS ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOCKING THE FACTIONS ANYWHERE BUT IN THE WAR IS STUPID AND ISN'T THE ELDERSCROLLS WE EXPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZOS NEVER LISTENS TO WHAT THE PLAYERS WANT!!!!! THE DEVS DON'T EVER DO ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY PUSH FOR ON THE FORUMS!!!!!!!!!
Announcement of One Tamriel....now the factions aren't locked, any quests can be done in any order in any zone, despite the fact it plays merry hell with the story/progression.
FINALLY!!!! THIS IS THE WAY THE GAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROM THE FIRST DAY!!!!!
OMG THE DEVS OPENED THE FACTIONS AND ALLOWED PEOPLE TO DO THINGS OUT OF ORDER!!!!!! NOW THINGS ARE CONFUSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE US MORE HANDHOLDING AND DIRECTIONS THAT PEOPLE STILL WON'T BOTHER TO READ TO DUMB THINGS DOWN EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The devs can't win, no matter what they do. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Know what? People who won't read quests, or who won't explore and talk to npcs won't bother paging through dozens of tabs in a journal. Doing the main quest pieces directs you to the next npc you need to talk to; only the Prophet showing up 5 levels apart could confuse new players until they figure it out. I actually had a problem trying to NOT do all the Wrothgar main quest pieces one after the other. Only the fact I kept running into the other npc quest givers while running around doing the main quest managed to space things out a bit.1 -
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Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »@Turelus
"MAKE ESO MORE LIKE A SANDBOX ELDER SCROLLS GAME!!!
ESO IS TOO MUCH LIKE A SANDBOX ELDER SCROLLS GAME!!!"
lol this! So true!
No one ever cmolained that this game was to close to skyrim or oblivion, or at least i have never seen it
That was one of the main complaints back in the early days.
From what I understand it was the exact opposite, people were complaning that eso was missing so many things from the original elder scrolls games and all their efforts until now is to give eso the atrractivness that the original games had
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✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »and annoys old players.
Most of my friends who I try to get into the game just get lost with all the quests scattered everywhere and no specific order or direction.
while side quests should be like that, the main alliance quests should have a tab on its own in the journal that directs you in where to go next just like all previous elder scrolls game.
Even as an old player who has 6 characters at max level I still get lost finding the next alliance quests and i need to do them for the skill points.
Wrothgar questline should have a tab of its own, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, etc. On wrothgar it took me a few months to discover the next main quest by accident.
I've had a couple of friends who left the game from the beginnging just from how unorganised the quest system was.
Please fix this ZOS, I think this is a simple enough fix that should greatly improve the quality of life for players.
THIS IS ELDERSCROLLS!!!!!!!!!! PLAYERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME NO MATTER WHAT THE FACTIONS ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOCKING THE FACTIONS ANYWHERE BUT IN THE WAR IS STUPID AND ISN'T THE ELDERSCROLLS WE EXPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZOS NEVER LISTENS TO WHAT THE PLAYERS WANT!!!!! THE DEVS DON'T EVER DO ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY PUSH FOR ON THE FORUMS!!!!!!!!!
Announcement of One Tamriel....now the factions aren't locked, any quests can be done in any order in any zone, despite the fact it plays merry hell with the story/progression.
FINALLY!!!! THIS IS THE WAY THE GAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROM THE FIRST DAY!!!!!
OMG THE DEVS OPENED THE FACTIONS AND ALLOWED PEOPLE TO DO THINGS OUT OF ORDER!!!!!! NOW THINGS ARE CONFUSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE US MORE HANDHOLDING AND DIRECTIONS THAT PEOPLE STILL WON'T BOTHER TO READ TO DUMB THINGS DOWN EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The devs can't win, no matter what they do. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Know what? People who won't read quests, or who won't explore and talk to npcs won't bother paging through dozens of tabs in a journal. Doing the main quest pieces directs you to the next npc you need to talk to; only the Prophet showing up 5 levels apart could confuse new players until they figure it out. I actually had a problem trying to NOT do all the Wrothgar main quest pieces one after the other. Only the fact I kept running into the other npc quest givers while running around doing the main quest managed to space things out a bit.
Dude chill no one here is complaining about one tamriel, this is just a thread about organising the questlines in you journal.
I really cant believe all these people who get very defensive as soon as someone suggests anything for the game
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AdamBourke✭✭✭✭✭My problem was that you can actually do parts of the zone questioned before you've done the previous quest, i had completed the riften quests before starting the rift questline.
This is worse in AD where the first three zone questlines are closely linked.PS4 - EU
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✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »while side quests should be like that, the main alliance quests should have a tab on its own in the journal that directs you in where to go next just like all previous elder scrolls game.
I hate when people use this as an argument without knowing what they're talking about.
Have you played any TES game prior to Oblivion? The journal systems were awful. Journal entries were chronological instead of sorted by questline, and it was all jumbled together. Morrowind had a topic search system but... yeah, it didn't really help much with regards to figuring out what quest was what. I remember when Oblivion came out, there was a mad furor over the introduction of quest markers and a sorted quest log, because it "dumbed down" the game too much, and took away some of the exploration element that were the previous games' strengths.
You can have your opinion, but don't drag what you think is "traditional" for TES into it without having played more than two of the games.
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My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
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Nocturnalan✭✭✭Well for new players it is a issue and was for me when they removed the area levels. I had no idea where to go next and prefer there to be at least some type of direction. So, I know where you're coming from OP.Templar Healer PVP/PVE
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Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nocturnalan wrote: »Well for new players it is a issue and was for me when they removed the area levels. I had no idea where to go next and prefer there to be at least some type of direction. So, I know where you're coming from OP.
I don't think the zone levels is the problem nor one tamriel, I actually think its one of the best things they did in this game, but the just need to keep the main zone quests organised and easy to follow and for your case that would still solve your issue even if its all scaled
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✭✭BlackSparrow wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »while side quests should be like that, the main alliance quests should have a tab on its own in the journal that directs you in where to go next just like all previous elder scrolls game.
I hate when people use this as an argument without knowing what they're talking about.
Have you played any TES game prior to Oblivion? The journal systems were awful. Journal entries were chronological instead of sorted by questline, and it was all jumbled together. Morrowind had a topic search system but... yeah, it didn't really help much with regards to figuring out what quest was what. I remember when Oblivion came out, there was a mad furor over the introduction of quest markers and a sorted quest log, because it "dumbed down" the game too much, and took away some of the exploration element that were the previous games' strengths.
You can have your opinion, but don't drag what you think is "traditional" for TES into it without having played more than two of the games.
You said personally it was awful before, why would you want something to be awful in the game. Im not saying they should change it because it was in the previous elder scroll games, but because it was good.
I started the elder scrolls with oblivion so i dont know what it was like before, but it doesn't matter with my argument
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Llaren_Uvayn✭✭✭I find myself looking for the main faction quests for Cadwell's Silver & Gold a lot. When in doubt, I can refer to the Cadwell's Almanac checklist, but sometimes I'll just look at the map and go to a town marked in black and do quests there until I get a message saying I saved the town or something like that, making the town marked white in the map from then on.PS4 / EU
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I think it's a reasonable request.
It doesn't stop the purists from running around and doing whatever they feel like, and it helps those who want to be organized be organized.
I would prefer it if someone made an addon rather than ZoS spending time with it....but yeah.0 -
Astanphaeus✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »do what you like when you like....... non-linear
that's the beauty of the game.....
But I want to do the main quest line because it gives skill points and I can't figure out which ones those quests are.1 -
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Right, and it makes no sense if you do them out of order either.Astanphaeus wrote: »
But I want to do the main quest line because it gives skill points and I can't figure out which ones those quests are.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »do what you like when you like....... non-linear
that's the beauty of the game.....
Order here:
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✭The way I look at it - if you are just, grinding might fit here, the main questline for skill points - you are not a new player. You are at minimum the type of player who did some research, ergo you should be able to find the wiki hints others posted here.
Basically don't pick up any quest other than the first you get and then move along. There are only a few parts where you have to pick up the next quest pretty close to where you stop. Yes there can be a slight "what now" moment.
That said there should be no problem marking the quests in the tracker at least with a little symbol within the quest name, maybe the alliance symbol. Or bold font one size larger etc.Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett0 -
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I would say make my it clear which quests go with which guild would be a nice QoL it's not really needed since a quick look at the quest makes clear which guild it's for.0 -
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✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I have not had an issue with the quest system and have leveled 8 characters.
I would say make my it clear which quests go with which guild would be a nice QoL it's not really needed since a quick look at the quest makes clear which guild it's for.
again I noticed this was an issue for many new players you leveled 8 characters so you may be more used to it. Personally as a person who leveled 6 characters I still sometimes get lost finding the next main quest.
Th guild quest even sometimes don't show after you finish the one before it. I have one character with max level and everything and still didnt get the final quest of the mages guild cause i probably need to go the right city for the to find the npc who gives the questEdited by Bigevilpeter on February 6, 2017 5:58PM0 -
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✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »and annoys old players.
Most of my friends who I try to get into the game just get lost with all the quests scattered everywhere and no specific order or direction.
while side quests should be like that, the main alliance quests should have a tab on its own in the journal that directs you in where to go next just like all previous elder scrolls game.
Even as an old player who has 6 characters at max level I still get lost finding the next alliance quests and i need to do them for the skill points.
Wrothgar questline should have a tab of its own, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, etc. On wrothgar it took me a few months to discover the next main quest by accident.
I've had a couple of friends who left the game from the beginnging just from how unorganised the quest system was.
Please fix this ZOS, I think this is a simple enough fix that should greatly improve the quality of life for players.
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Having the faction quest line separated out perhaps under main quests would be better.AdamBourke wrote: »My problem was that you can actually do parts of the zone questioned before you've done the previous quest, i had completed the riften quests before starting the rift questline.
This is worse in AD where the first three zone questlines are closely linked.
And increase the cap on quests, now with all the repeatably crafting and guild quests, add undaunted and pvp and its full.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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Myyth✭✭✭✭✭The one thing I get confused about questing is that I have no idea which quests are part of my factions "main story quests" and which are just side quests. So to make sure I finish my faction story, I just do every single quest in each zone. I know there are quest add ons and guides , but in game, there doesn't seem to be any indication of which are main story quests.
For example my AD character is currently wandering Reaper's March right now but I don't know what the actual story is. And then I have one character of each faction doing each factions quests, so it adds to the confusion.Edited by Myyth on February 11, 2017 8:23PM0 -
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This. I'm a (relatively) new player, and once I figured out that the new quest giver appears close to the old one, my game has gone smoothly. It didn't make me rage or quit. It just makes it about 1% more challenging to finish the questlines, which is a non-issue.strebor2095 wrote: »For every main zone quest line, the quest giver appears basically as soon as you finish the current location. The Prophet appears, as well for the main actual quest line.
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