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What has ZOS said about the DLC being called an Expansion to charge players?
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notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭MornaBaine wrote: »Actually, in the video announcing this they shied away from the term expansion, literally said they don't want to call it an expansion, and instead referred to it as a "chapter." Apparently using a NEW word makes it different somehow.
This "chapter" is just as expensive as the entire original game purchase. And indeed it includes the base game. But guess what? I already HAVE the base game! So why isn't it HALF PRICE for existing players and only full price for those buying into ESO for the first time with it?
Otherwise, for the price of AN ENTIRE NEW GAME I expect to GET the same amount of content as a new game, not a mere 30 more hours.
And even IF it were half price it would still need at least TWICE the land mass and content of Wrothgar.
That might just be PART of why people are upset.
Again it comes down to people being upset because they arent very intelligent.
Most games dont include the base game when they release an expansion (they shied away from it because they are adding to the story, not moving on from it). You are buying the expansion like everyone else, all adding the base game is for is to simplify new players joining.
ZoS doesnt owe you anything. Not now, not ever. Demanding what they should give you for X price is stupid.
I know forum qq is kinda your thing, but seriously think things through before you spout off like a fountain.Edited by notimetocare on February 6, 2017 10:19AM1 -
Nahtal✭✭✭Welcome in the real world: But let me say this first.
ESO base content is huge! the DLC content is a part of the elders scrolls series, personal this must be within the game. Im a sub and love ESO because there is so much to do. Morrowind for what i have hear it will be also huge! and this is not part of DLC you can not place it in DLC, its a expansion. I'm gonna buy it, because i love ESO and love the series and love to contribute to it. And yes prices are insane, but if you save 5$ each month till June you have it. This game has potential to live very long, and glad that there come mote content to the game.Love to crind, to sell, to explore, to heal, and to have fun.
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Entegre✭✭✭As long as these fanbois pay ridiculous amount of money, ZOS will never step back from breaking their word. They have assured us that crown store would be only cosmetic yet they have put crown store exclusive motifs for a limited time and introduced unfair competition in end game crafters. The fanbois have only one argument and it is: "don't like don't buy"...
But it is not that easy. We love this game and we don't like it to suffer under greedy money store. Orsinium is much larger zone, it could be expansion as well but they have called it DLC. Subscribers have supported this game and hoarded some crowns thinking they could buy any further addition to the game. But ZOS called this last DLC an expansion... Warden was already in the game files. Stop supporting something blindly please. You are damaging the game more than you are supporting it. Huge paywalls divide the player Base and scare the newcomers.3 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭As long as these fanbois pay ridiculous amount of money, ZOS will never step back from breaking their word. They have assured us that crown store would be only cosmetic yet they have put crown store exclusive motifs for a limited time and introduced unfair competition in end game crafters. The fanbois have only one argument and it is: "don't like don't buy"...
But it is not that easy. We love this game and we don't like it to suffer under greedy money store. Orsinium is much larger zone, it could be expansion as well but they have called it DLC. Subscribers have supported this game and hoarded some crowns thinking they could buy any further addition to the game. But ZOS called this last DLC an expansion... Warden was already in the game files. Stop supporting something blindly please. You are damaging the game more than you are supporting it. Huge paywalls divide the player Base and scare the newcomers.
You do realize motifs are cosmetic, yes?
Huge paywall? Morrowind include ESO base to make it easier on new players.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »I wiChilly-McFreeze wrote: »You can't tell me that this expansions/chapter is what broke your camels back when not a single time someone complained about not getting and DLC before.
Nope. I remember there have been A LOT of complains about Zenimax releasing too few and too little dlcs. However, loyal subscribers have continued to support them, giving them the equivalent of four Morrowind content a year (about €150 a year).
And now, what does Zenimax do? Do they say "Well, loyal customers, for compensating your support and your patience, we will give you not only the new big content Morrowind, but its collector edition"? This is what a serious company, with managers who know how to run a business, should have said: they would have encouraged subscription a lot, from which they can get the equivalent of two new complete games a year instead of 40€ una tantum.
But no, they didn't say this, they said it's not a dlc but an expansion (LOL...) and they said that their loyal supporters won't even get the normal edition... This is how greed ruins a business, even in these little things.
I'll take back what I said when I see these threads.
As you wish: here there are some, I found them in half a minute just typing "too few new content" in search bar:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/168435/we-want-new-content
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/308671/new-content
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/271640/be3-no-new-content-to-speak-of
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/310839/is-zos-dropping-the-ball-on-new-content
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Okay, you've got me on this one! ^^0 -
Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can you name one B2P MMO that has a voluntary sub that does this?
Strawman arguments here... because your stipulations are so narrow that only 1 triple A MMO fits the description.This is the stinking pile of igorance, half truths and lies. lets start with all companies do that. Name 1 b2p MMO that has optional sub and still charges subbers for additional content, please do ill wait.
In other words there are no "B2P" MMOs with voluntary subs that have expansions!
I can pick MMOs that have most of those but not all three.
Wildstar hasn't had an expansion.
SWTOR isn't b2P with an optional sub.
Elite Dangerous doesn't have an optional sub but has payed expansions.
Asheron's Call has payed expansions but hasn't had an expansion one since they went F2P
Wild Terra hasn't had an expansion.
Rift doesnt have an optional subscription
Star citizen doesn't even exist yet.
And nearly every other MMO is F2P, or has no voluntary sub.
So in other words ESO is the first and only Mainstream B2P MMO with a voluntary Sub that has had an expansion.
Either way, my point stands. This is now things are done in the game industry, and this is how things are done in the MMO industry.
Wrong,
SWTOR is F2P with Optional Sub, with this get access to all new content no restrBlazingDynamo wrote: »I just don't understand why anyone is pissed about this. HOLY CRAP IT'S A FRIGGIN EXPANSION YO!!
Like be happy who cares if you gotta pay for it. You spend more money on subs in 3 months than you would buying this Xpack.
They just don't want to pay for anything. Its the biggest content they have added since launch. It is not dlc. Its a whole freaking massive continent. If they played Morrowind they would know how big it is.
Actually if you look at the Map in game, if you have knowledge of the game you will know which area is Morrowind, you can then compare the sizes. You will notice that this is only slightly larger than Orsinium.
I think the argument would be those that SUB are already paying for the additional content, you know content that was promised to be free as long as we SUB. Personally, I've just cancelled my SUB as I believe it will now be more cost effective to buy the "Expansion DLC" and any subsequent DLC i want, than have a SUB and still have to Pay.
Whilst I'll still be getting Morrowind, I'm unhappy that ZOS have lied to us once again, although I have to say I'm no longer surprised.
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✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »
yep totally agree...after paying over £50.00 for the game and also paying a monthly subscription... to make you pay again for another expansion or whatever theyre calling it, is a disgrace
World of Warcraft has expansion's their players must pay for and they even went a whole year without any content. FFXIV does the same thing.
ESO DLC's are similar to WoW and FFXIV larger patches and the chapters are just expansions. I see nothing wrong with what they are doing.
@Jimmy562
I think you should look at whats included in a WOW expansion before you make these type of statements, with the exception of an new Class this DLC is no different from either Orsinium or IC.0 -
Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭notimetocare wrote: »As long as these fanbois pay ridiculous amount of money, ZOS will never step back from breaking their word. They have assured us that crown store would be only cosmetic yet they have put crown store exclusive motifs for a limited time and introduced unfair competition in end game crafters. The fanbois have only one argument and it is: "don't like don't buy"...
But it is not that easy. We love this game and we don't like it to suffer under greedy money store. Orsinium is much larger zone, it could be expansion as well but they have called it DLC. Subscribers have supported this game and hoarded some crowns thinking they could buy any further addition to the game. But ZOS called this last DLC an expansion... Warden was already in the game files. Stop supporting something blindly please. You are damaging the game more than you are supporting it. Huge paywalls divide the player Base and scare the newcomers.
You do realize motifs are cosmetic, yes?
Huge paywall? Morrowind include ESO base to make it easier on new players.
Morrowind contains the Base game because it's a DLC and there would be no real content without the Base game!1 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cherryblossom wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »
yep totally agree...after paying over £50.00 for the game and also paying a monthly subscription... to make you pay again for another expansion or whatever theyre calling it, is a disgrace
World of Warcraft has expansion's their players must pay for and they even went a whole year without any content. FFXIV does the same thing.
ESO DLC's are similar to WoW and FFXIV larger patches and the chapters are just expansions. I see nothing wrong with what they are doing.
@Jimmy562
I think you should look at whats included in a WOW expansion before you make these type of statements, with the exception of an new Class this DLC is no different from either Orsinium or IC.
Pretty much the same as Morrowind minus new levels. You are confused in understanding each patch for wow raids is the same as dlc subs get free. I know thinking is hard, but you will get it next time1 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cherryblossom wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »As long as these fanbois pay ridiculous amount of money, ZOS will never step back from breaking their word. They have assured us that crown store would be only cosmetic yet they have put crown store exclusive motifs for a limited time and introduced unfair competition in end game crafters. The fanbois have only one argument and it is: "don't like don't buy"...
But it is not that easy. We love this game and we don't like it to suffer under greedy money store. Orsinium is much larger zone, it could be expansion as well but they have called it DLC. Subscribers have supported this game and hoarded some crowns thinking they could buy any further addition to the game. But ZOS called this last DLC an expansion... Warden was already in the game files. Stop supporting something blindly please. You are damaging the game more than you are supporting it. Huge paywalls divide the player Base and scare the newcomers.
You do realize motifs are cosmetic, yes?
Huge paywall? Morrowind include ESO base to make it easier on new players.
Morrowind contains the Base game because it's a DLC and there would be no real content without the Base game!
Morrowind isnt a dlc. There will be plenty of content in the Morrowind expansion. It includes the base game to make getting into the game easier for new players, just like Gold edition. This forum is so full of clueless people lol0 -
stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »NovaShadow wrote: »
It's NOT the money.
It's the lies/deception.
You've NOT been lied to.
You'll still be getting DLC for free.
What you won't be getting for free is an Expac.
Anyone who has played any MMORPG other than ESO understands the difference.
You buy smart phone, periodically you'll get software and firmware updates for free - DLC.
3 Years down the line they company releases a new model, you don't get that for free - Expansion.
All The Best
not sure which country you live in, but where i live Telcos very often upgrade your phone for free as part of your contract...for which you pay a monthly subscription
you most likely have to renew your contract .. so not free check the small print
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✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm genuinely curious what @ZOS_RichLambert or @ZOS_GinaBruno have to say about this. I'm seeing a lot of angry discussions about the DLC being called an Expansion, and thus they aren't obligated to share it with subscribers, instead everyone has to buy it.
Well, basically what they are saying is this: That is EXACTLY what is going to happen.
Coming from games where there is a clear understanding among the playerbase as to the difference between a DLC and an Expansion I have no real issue with it to be honest.
If that is it what is required to get high quality new content then I am happy to pay it; and when it gets to the point where I am no longer happy to pay it I'll stop paying, and probably take a break from the game.
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I've done a little looking, and I can easily see why I need to pay cash for this 'chapter'. I will break it down for you, looking at what I'm getting when I buy my collector's edition upgrade:
1) warden class (lots of extra work going into that)
2) new region and trial (that would be a dlc by itself)
3) 2 new regular pets, 1 pet that might be a combat pet (more than the 1 pet promised with each dlc)
4) treasure maps (as per the separate crown store item for treasure maps)
5) 1 new mount (always sold separately or as in things like the imperial white horse in the imperial edition/imperial upgrade, sold separately on the crown store)
6) personalities (sold separately as crown store items usually)
7) free costume (usually included in a dlc, so not too much here)
8) free change to a new crafting motif for all characters, as per imperial edition's imperial motif change (sold separately as either the imperial edition or imperial upgrade, for example).
9) crown crate (usually sold separately for crowns)
10) experience scrolls (usually sold separately or in bundles on crown store)
Looking at all of this, and you get half of this if you're doing the preorder even without the collector's edition, I can justify paying for the collector's edition upgrade. I've included where the similar costs are in this, to show you that this is indeed much more than a dlc, and should be paid that way. It's still your opinion whether you want this or not, but I don't consider it a cheat, not with that much being offered. For myself, I have bought the preorder, and will be quite pleased when it comes, knowing that my money is well spent.0 -
Stanelis✭✭✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »With even a minor background in MMOs, I wholely expected that anything large in scope would get called an "expansion" and would not be covered by the subscription. I subscribe, thinking about pre-ordering the collector's edition, and the only thing that has me upset is being unsure that class change will be available in the future
Large in scope? How do we know that 30 h of story content is large in scope? 1 trial, 1 new class (that is really nice), battlegrounds that will cause more problems than solve?
Exactly, 1 Trial & 1 Class they are selling for 40$. Liek they opt their way out in SoTH with just 2 dungeons. And no dungeons/ trials in DB but 1 trial in T. So how does this new zone makes it any difference.
Clearly speaking, it's no larger than Craglorn and was supposed to be 2nd adventure zone after it, but now it's being called Expansion.
As much as you may not like it, you can't say all you are getting is a class and battle grounds. 60hrs+ of gameplay aswell.
How do you know that ? Have you played the "expansion" ?0 -
Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »NovaShadow wrote: »
It's NOT the money.
It's the lies/deception.
You've NOT been lied to.
You'll still be getting DLC for free.
What you won't be getting for free is an Expac.
Anyone who has played any MMORPG other than ESO understands the difference.
You buy smart phone, periodically you'll get software and firmware updates for free - DLC.
3 Years down the line they company releases a new model, you don't get that for free - Expansion.
All The Best
Microsoft.
Windows 10.
That is all.Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »You guys are ridiculous. Angry about the price? Don't buy it. Less lag for everyone else.
The problem is, I thought I had already bought it. That's what I was told I would be getting for my subscription anyways. If not, where is the last 2 quarters worth of DLC I've paid for?
Dw, us ESO+ subs will get another 2 dungeons for free, with one that drops an absolute SHITE monster helm. Because, why create a new zone or whatever, when you can make 2 dungeons?Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
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✭silvermistktralasub17_ESO wrote: »I've done a little looking, and I can easily see why I need to pay cash for this 'chapter'. I will break it down for you, looking at what I'm getting when I buy my collector's edition upgrade:
You do indeed get a lot when you look at it in isolation. But when you compare Morrowind with the DLCs, you are effectively getting Orsinium, Thieves Guild and IC rolled into one. The only thing extra is a new class. Then you realise there has been no paid for DLC for the previous 3 quarters, and next to 3 DLCs the amount of extra content you are paying for, doesn't look that much. This is the problem as some perceive it.
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Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nightenhowl wrote: »Very simple unsub till June and you can afford the expansion.
You're REALLY not understanding the prominent point being made, are you?Edited by Blackbird_V on February 6, 2017 12:23PMDifficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
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✭✭Its a much bigger dlc with a new class. In their opinion thats an expansion. The good thing about it is that you can access engame gear and progress to max level without buying it, all you will lose is the ability to play the warden and access the new area with its trial and sets.
I think I can live with that, I can buy the non trial sets from other players and have them craft me what is only available there.
I dont have slots to play the warden anyways and I wont pay 30$ over the 40$ expansion just to play itEdited by Bigevilpeter on February 6, 2017 12:12PM0 -
I guess it's worth it to say that I've personally bought from the crown store every dlc's collector's edition except the Imperial city's, because I wanted some of their in-game additions, most notably mounts and pets. Even though I don't do dungeon running, at the time, the Shadows of the Hist collector's edition was running less than buying the mount and pet separately, so it was worth it. The imperial city, well, by the time I saw a collector's edition for that, I already owned the mount from it, and I didn't see a point in buying something I'm unlikely to ever play (I despise pvp) just for the costumes (which I ended up with anyway, later through crown crates) and the skin. I buy all of the other dlc's collector's editions because they have other things I want, in addition to having the dlc if I ever decide to unsub. That decision is largely unlikely because the craft bag and the ability to dye costumes is pretty much worth the sub in the first place, for me. but that's my opinion, and not everyone will share that.0
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Ryluk✭✭✭Why are players so spoilt and entitled?
The ESO business model is so player friendly? Other MMOs you are forced to pay to even have the right to play the game you already bought and then are basically forced to buy their expansions to progress in the base game because they lock levelling behind the expansion but ESO lets you sub optionally to receive great benefits and the minute they bring out a completely optional expansion that seems to add decent amount of content that will only lock this new areas content to the expansion, everyone begins to scream "yo what the hell why am I not getting this for free on top of all my other benefits, I'm your customer please kiss the ground I walk on"
Hell, they're even asking players what they'd like to see added to ESO+ as even more benefits for us subscribers but go ahead and take a big steamy turd on them, maybe they'll bring forced sub and then you guys can really complain about value.
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notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭.BlackbirdV wrote: »Nightenhowl wrote: »Very simple unsub till June and you can afford the expansion.
You're REALLY not understanding the prominent point being made, are you?
Could be that the prominent point is bullocks0 -
Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭notimetocare wrote: ».BlackbirdV wrote: »Nightenhowl wrote: »Very simple unsub till June and you can afford the expansion.
You're REALLY not understanding the prominent point being made, are you?
Could be that the prominent point is bullocks
Or you really cannot understand the fact that ZOS PURPOSELY changes the way the use "DLC" to "Expansion" just so it gives them more money by *** over ESO+ subscribers. That has left people upset, because it's a money *** move by ZoS, imo.Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why are players so spoilt and entitled?
Please read the rest of the thread to understand where players are from and why the issues have nothing to do with being spoilt and 'entitled'.Hell, they're even asking players what they'd like to see added to ESO+ as even more benefits for us subscribers but go ahead and take a big steamy turd on them, maybe they'll bring forced sub and then you guys can really complain about value.
Yep, that is a welcome sign. However it should be noted this came 3 days after the threads on this topic started. Some might say as a direct response to them.
Edited by esotoon on February 6, 2017 1:47PM0 -
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✭✭Some people need to earn the difference between a DLC and a game Expansion.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Some people need to earn the difference between a DLC and a game Expansion.
Some people need to stop being white knights when Z$S pulls all the crap it has all these years...
Imperial pay wall...
Paywall for crafting bags...
Paywall for fake expansion / DLC content....
Paywall...Paywall...Paywall....
I remember in the 90's onwards when MMO's had ALL THESE AT NO EXTRA COST ON LAUNCH DAY....Edited by Troneon on February 6, 2017 2:16PMPC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything0 -
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notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭BlackbirdV wrote: »notimetocare wrote: ».BlackbirdV wrote: »Nightenhowl wrote: »Very simple unsub till June and you can afford the expansion.
You're REALLY not understanding the prominent point being made, are you?
Could be that the prominent point is bullocks
Or you really cannot understand the fact that ZOS PURPOSELY changes the way the use "DLC" to "Expansion" just so it gives them more money by *** over ESO+ subscribers. That has left people upset, because it's a money *** move by ZoS, imo.
Point proven further. They changed nothing. They added a new tier of content and people are crying about it because 'omg u like said I would get all dlc but now I dont get this new thing even tho I call it dlc and u dont'0 -
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✭✭MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »Don't worry guys, for honor will be out soon. Make sure to try the open Beta 9th of februari.
Gets repetitive quite fast.
I'll consider ME Andromeda though. Well, after they release gameplay videos that aren't 1 minute long.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0
