Is ZOS dropping the ball on new content?

BossXV

After much reading in forum there seems to be the common complaint that new content is not meaty enough.

An MMORPG is not meant to be call of duty with DLC to get you back a bit and done, it's for the the long run, the fans that love the game and play it a lot, perhaps the fans like us that actually hang out on forum lol


What do you think? At the 3 year marker has there been great growth? Or has the progress made not match how far the game should be in 3 years?

Vanthras79

ZOS may be working on game systems still, rather than new zones or dungeons. That said, Matt Firor said that DLC zones would be smaller and episodic. I wonder if ZOS is becoming cheap and not investing that much into new content that is not bound in some cheap gimmicky crate or on sale for $45.00 on the Crown Store. I have noticed that once the crown store came out content started lagging behind, until they announced quarterly DLCs. Perhaps ZOS is in such another transition? Perhaps time will tell.

andreasranasen

Well if nothing is announced very soon and no REAL DLC is released within 6 months this game is done.

You can't go more than a year without releasing anything worthy to be called a DLC.

BossXV

What I do know is ZOS has had a huge budget, what I don't want is ZOS to become Call of Duty with DLC that will not give hardcore fans playability, and become money hungry with overpriced DLC and micro transitions like crown crates


It is normal for mmo's to have content droughts and for hard core fans to become board, but it doesn't change the fact that expansions should be handled well

What I am concerned about is we have no idea what ZOS plans on, will we have good NEW Content, new land scapes and concepts, not 2 over priced dungeons

andreasranasen

BossXV wrote: »

What I do know is ZOS has had a huge budget, what I don't want is ZOS to become Call of Duty with DLC that will not give hardcore fans playability, and become money hungry with overpriced DLC and micro transitions like crown crates


It is normal for mmo's to have content droughts and for hard core fans to become board, but it doesn't change the fact that expansions should be handled well

What I am concerned about is we have no idea what ZOS plans on, will we have good NEW Content, new land scapes and concepts, not 2 over priced dungeons

ESO can never have content drought. There's just too much lore and stuff to build on to ever have a drought lol. They were just never ready to have an MMO from the beginning.

BossXV

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BossXV

Vanthras79 wrote: »

ZOS may be working on game systems still, rather than new zones or dungeons. That said, Matt Firor said that DLC zones would be smaller and episodic. I wonder if ZOS is becoming cheap and not investing that much into new content that is not bound in some cheap gimmicky crate or on sale for $45.00 on the Crown Store. I have noticed that once the crown store came out content started lagging behind, until they announced quarterly DLCs. Perhaps ZOS is in such another transition? Perhaps time will tell.

For the love of Tod Howard! I don't think people are interested in anymore crap 2 dungeon DLC's. The last 3 DLC are all together around 5500, that's like 40$ for slim content, if they do this, I will literly wait a year at a time to buy the 4 DLC bundle to get my money's worth

Rohamad_Ali

I think we are all wanting new content soon . I've been through everything twice .

Nestor

New Content has to appeal to both new and existing players, and with existing players, this means all levels as some people really take their time leveling in TES games, which is unusual for an MMO. It took me a year to get a character to Vet and another 6 months to get them to max rank. My last character hit L50 in 30 hours and this was not during an Experience Event.

I think the work done on the game systems that scale the content goes a good job of clearing the way for new content that can appeal all players. Thieves and DB is new content in smaller zones, but the content covers the map. Wrothgar was all new content contained in one zone so it had to be bigger. We may continue to see a mix like this, small zones, far reaching content, large zones, contained content.

I think we will see more content 2017. I hope we see more content in 2017. We better see more content in 2017.....

kargen27

they didn't drop the ball, they jabbed it with a stick and deflated it.

Pandorii

I believe they've already confirmed that update 13 will not include new content. =(

JD2013

Were you here for the almost one year that nothing was really released besides the justice system and provision updates post Craglorn?

That was a real content drought.

Pirsius

Although small compared to earlier DLCs, I enjoyed the overall concept of TG and DB: add new zones, a new style of play, and add a story line. As long as future DLC as like those, I'll be happy. No more SotH-esque 2-dungeon DLC please.

Wifeaggro13

andreasranasen wrote: »

BossXV wrote: »

What I do know is ZOS has had a huge budget, what I don't want is ZOS to become Call of Duty with DLC that will not give hardcore fans playability, and become money hungry with overpriced DLC and micro transitions like crown crates


It is normal for mmo's to have content droughts and for hard core fans to become board, but it doesn't change the fact that expansions should be handled well

What I am concerned about is we have no idea what ZOS plans on, will we have good NEW Content, new land scapes and concepts, not 2 over priced dungeons

ESO can never have content drought. There's just too much lore and stuff to build on to ever have a drought lol. They were just never ready to have an MMO from the beginning.

That is the core issue. I think from the get go you had a game trying to be two things. One guy wanted a more MMO Tamriel and the other wanted a on line Rpg. Well one of them left and now you have a online RPG with micro transactions. They are basically mods at this point that you can't disable lol. With a quarterly adventure pack.

paulsimonps

You guys do understand that there is no possible way that a game company can EVER keep up with the speed of which players go through content right? It can take months to complete a DLC and we can go through a DLC in almost no time at all. I mean look at Dark Brotherhood, with the exception of the Achievements regarding the Black Sacrament everything else can be finished in just a few hours if you put your mind to it.

All MMO's of this type has a grind cause its the only way to keep most people playing. The grind and for some the Achievements. What would you do if you got all of your gear just the way you wanted it after just one run of each dungeons or trial? You would never have to do them again for gear, you had it all. What then? And lets say the game has no achievement system to speak of and you just do the content once and then boom done congratulations you have beaten the game. I will tell you what you would do, you would stop playing the game cause there would be nothing to do. That being said you don't HAVE to get the perfect gear and you don't HAVE to do the content multiple times, but you do, cause you want to, its how the system is set up. Its designed to make you want to do the content multiple times cause you want to do the best, or at least for some of us that is the case.

Role-players would always have a spot in the game and can keep themselves entertained and so can most of the PvP'ers. All the PvP'ers need is ever so often you give them a balance update and they will be happy for another weeks, or not if they don't like the changes but that is as inevitable as the fricking tide.

One thing people don't seem to understand as well is that the developers are not the guys with the final say in what is being created or for what price the things that are made are sold for, its not Zenimax Online Studios but rather Zenimax Media Inc. So for example that nice Elk mount that everyone complained was to pricey, well go complain to the right people about it. And as for content, right now they are releasing the Homestead update, got housing and a huge balance patch. And I bet you it will sell really fricking good and people will still play the game, cause there is still a lot of replayability in the game, and we have seen far longer times between updates and the game is still kicking. There was almost a full year between the Imperial City update and the last content update before that, Upper Craglorn.

So the fact that we are having DLC's Every 3 months is amazing. Sure the DLC's are small but its either that or wait a full year for a more Expansion like update. And having to change from the current model to that would ruin the game. There is a lot of replay ability in the DLC's ranging from gathering Motifs, to getting new gear or completing new Achievements or to beating new Trials and Dungeons and everything related to that. Look at Maw of Lorkhaj from the Thieves Guild update, I must say its one of my absolute favorite things about ESO right now. People are still playing it trying to either complete it for the first time or to complete its various achievements, all ranging from Speed runs, to Special criterias, to No deaths and its Hardmode. There is lots to do, and same can be said for trying to do the Hardmodes of the rescaled Aetherian Archives and Hel Ra Citadel.

But in the end you are the people that decide what is worth what to you. Don't think the price is right for the current updates? Well then don't buy it. No one is forcing you too. Same thing goes for anything on the crown store. In the end, there is far more to do in the game than most realize. And come on, this is a Themepark MMO, you are here cause of the theme, there are other MMO's with better Gameplay or Graphics if that is what you want, but this is a Elder Scrolls Themepark for us to run around and have fun in, so figure out what to do and entertain yourselves or leave and don't.

Stopnaggin

Pirsius wrote: »

Although small compared to earlier DLCs, I enjoyed the overall concept of TG and DB: add new zones, a new style of play, and add a story line. As long as future DLC as like those, I'll be happy. No more SotH-esque 2-dungeon DLC please.

Ah those 2 dlc were too short imo. I don't think ZOS is going to make everyone happy no matter what. The hard core players want harder content like more trials, the casual players like the slower paced story line. And then you throw in pvp, honestly I don't pvp often but they have been left behind content wise. Seriously capture the flag in Imperial City Sewers was lazy.

Now with all that, I'm ok so far on lack of content if, big if, they fix the game. I've stated before that new content is useless if you can't play it. And they year ahead speech was a pretty good start. We will have to see how it all plays out, removing proc crit wasn't the answer most people were looking for, a global cool down would have served better, but at least it's a start towards balance.

I also think any future dlc should have a dungeon, and maybe every second one add a trial. Especially if they areduce going to make them small. There's alot of map to play with still.

Danikat

This game does seem to have fewer new releases than my other MMO, and people are forever complaining on that game's forum that it has unacceptably long content droughts and what they do release is finished to quickly and the game can't possibly survive unless they pick up the pace. Although that's been going on for 4 years (including one stretch when they didn't release anything for about 8 months) and there's no signs that it's going to shut down any time soon.

Although I have no idea what a 'normal' release schedule is for an MMO because I don't play any others. I was under the impression most of them didn't release anything new between paid expansions, but apparently that's not the case.

It doesn't bother me, I'm one of the people who plays very slowly - I talk to everyone, even if I don't need to and I read all the dialogue (oh and I read slowly), I go wandering around to look at the scenery and find chests and materials in between quests. And I have a lot of characters (6 permanent ones at last count). So I have plenty to do.

But I can see how it would be frustrating for people who have done everything and don't want to repeat it.

Publius_Scipio

Ever hear of Vvardenfell? When Vvardenfell arrives then we shall answer this topic's question.

That being said, I think what happened over the last year or so is ZOS wanted to go back and implement a lot of new social aspects to the game, ultimately culminating with One Tamriel. I assume that with all these base systems in place ZOS will return to new zones and storyline content.

I think the Homestead update coming up is one of the last if not the last social/cosmetic heavy updates to ESO. Before we return to battling daedric princes.

Browiseth

BossXV wrote: »

An MMORPG is not meant to be call of duty with DLC

every derogatory COD comment i see gives me literal cringe disease

sorry i don't have anything constructive to add

Mojmir

balls been dropped on alot of things, the equivalent of the cleveland browns.

Savos_Saren

I realize that ZoS has been giving us small, incremental stories while they're working on larger projects... however, I do know that they've dropped the ball on several in-game promises. Remember Spell-Crafting??? Where the Oblivion did that go?

AlMcFly

Meh, there are plenty of people starting the game anew or returning to keep it afloat in bad periods. I just returned after leaving in early 2015. I started a character from scratch and I still have a LOT of content to consume. Regarding DLC, other than WoW, no other mmo is doing it any different than ESO, so I further say "meh". Just try going to another game. You'll see the same sh*t: RNG loot crates, cash shop, thin DLC, F2P, grind grind grind, etc. Every game has it now. You aren't going to find any better, so you might as well spend the time in Tamriel.

Publius_Scipio

jaburns wrote: »

I realize that ZoS has been giving us small, incremental stories while they're working on larger projects... however, I do know that they've dropped the ball on several in-game promises. Remember Spell-Crafting??? Where the Oblivion did that go?

I believe ZOS mentioned that ended up on the backburner while they focused on other things. Not dead but on the shelf for the time being.

ArchMikem

Dark Brotherhood, which is an entire new zone complete with a Main Questline, side quests, two daily world bosses, two Delves and several new Motifs, was priced at $20.

When they released the Elk, a solitary mount that's so insignificant in comparison. It's somehow worth an extra $25, for a grand total of $45..

I'm VERY worried for the future of this game's content.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

They would have had to pick it up at some point, before they could ever drop it.

tinythinker

Mojmir wrote: »

balls been dropped on alot of things, the equivalent of the cleveland browns.

The Browns finally won a game last week, so...

Darkestnght

I think they lost the ball, as far as any NEW content I have not seen much. When I hear "new content" I imagine a new zone to play in.

Vanthras79

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I think we are all wanting new content soon . I've been through everything twice .

You Sir, are my hero.

Vanthras79

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Ever hear of Vvardenfell? When Vvardenfell arrives then we shall answer this topic's question.

That being said, I think what happened over the last year or so is ZOS wanted to go back and implement a lot of new social aspects to the game, ultimately culminating with One Tamriel. I assume that with all these base systems in place ZOS will return to new zones and storyline content.

I think the Homestead update coming up is one of the last if not the last social/cosmetic heavy updates to ESO. Before we return to battling daedric princes.

I really hope you are right. But I remain skeptical.

Korah_Eaglecry

Im absolutely fine with them spending a few Quarters on QoL rather than more buggy content. The games three years in and is still missing quite a bit of basic MMO QoL mechanics and features. Just look at how players interact with the game economy or the community building (Guilds) for a nice eye opener as to how much has been left untouched since almost the beginning. Buried deep beneath all the daily posts about nerf this or why RNGesus WHY! posts was a very long and detailed list of Guild Improvements that the community would have liked to see added to the game.

BossXV

Vanthras79 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Ever hear of Vvardenfell? When Vvardenfell arrives then we shall answer this topic's question.

That being said, I think what happened over the last year or so is ZOS wanted to go back and implement a lot of new social aspects to the game, ultimately culminating with One Tamriel. I assume that with all these base systems in place ZOS will return to new zones and storyline content.

I think the Homestead update coming up is one of the last if not the last social/cosmetic heavy updates to ESO. Before we return to battling daedric princes.

I really hope you are right. But I remain skeptical.

I hope so too, I think this year's plan will be make or break (obviously not end of ESO) but you know what I mean