What has ZOS said about the DLC being called an Expansion to charge players?

corrosivechains · February 2017

at this point I just can't wait to see those people defending this who aren't obvious ZoS dummy accounts(you know the ones, the ones that still end in _ESO, have zero or 1 star, using buzzwords like expansive or colossal, etc... ) when they finish this "expansive content" in less than a day on release and realize that no, this isn't any bigger than any of the other additions to the game.

You really gotta remember whenever a developer describes content as being a certain length time wise, they're including their intended routes through the content, listening to all the full dialogue, any lorebooks or skyshards, and anything else you can interact with to pad this time, again, in their intended route.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

NovaShadow wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

I just don't understand why anyone is pissed about this. HOLY CRAP IT'S A FRIGGIN EXPANSION YO!!

Like be happy who cares if you gotta pay for it. You spend more money on subs in 3 months than you would buying this Xpack.

It's NOT the money.

It's the lies/deception.

I see no lies or deception ? It says you gain access to DLC but it never says when you will as a sub?

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

But if you don't buy Morrowind DLC, you will not be able to play as Warden. And other Wardens will be invisible to you. And they will not be able to damage you in PvP because of that

Also they won't be invisible you could see Demon Hunters in WoW without purchasing Legion they wouldn't do that, you will still download the content for expansions but just don't have access to it

Audigy · February 2017

NovaShadow wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

I just don't understand why anyone is pissed about this. HOLY CRAP IT'S A FRIGGIN EXPANSION YO!!

Like be happy who cares if you gotta pay for it. You spend more money on subs in 3 months than you would buying this Xpack.

It's NOT the money.

It's the lies/deception.

I don´t recall them saying that a future Expansion would be Free of Charge. DLC´s are not free either, you just borrow them with your sub and could potentially buy them with crowns.

What a lot of people seem to forget is the huge amount of work that an expansion takes. These additions always feature brand new aspects, like a potential DX 12, a new class, new textures, new voice acting, play modes but also a bigger marketing strategy.

MMO´s or any game for that matter, will charge it´s customers for such a big package of new features, it´s a given and should not surprise anyone tbh.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · February 2017

I don't mind at all. Bought the expansion Day one in the Store.

Bouldercleave · February 2017

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

I don't mind at all. Bought the expansion Day one in the Store.

You and me both - I have realistic expectations though. This is an expansion with a new class and many more things that we may not even know about yet. This is not some small DLC or a few new dungeons.

I sub because I feel that what I get for subbing justifies the cost. This Expansion is much more than that and deserves to have it's own cost.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

I don't mind at all. Bought the expansion Day one in the Store.

You and me both - I have realistic expectations though. This is an expansion with a new class and many more things that we may not even know about yet. This is not some small DLC or a few new dungeons.

I sub because I feel that what I get for subbing justifies the cost. This Expansion is much more than that and deserves to have it's own cost.

Even more than justifies the cost tbh, 1500 crowns alone is 15$

Surak73 · February 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

So people are angry about subscribing for years under the impression they will have access to content released in the future

Well, calling it an "impression" is pretty reductive... It's what they say, even now and even in the loading screens themselves, inside the game:

"Available DLC is automatically unlocked when you are an ESO Plus Subscriber"

So, in order to not be automatically unlocked, Morrowind should not be downloadable, or should not be a content. Apparently, however, it will be a content - and a big content, they say - and it will be downloadable.

Wifeaggro13 · February 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

I'm genuinely curious what @ZOS_RichLambert or @ZOS_GinaBruno have to say about this. I'm seeing a lot of angry discussions about the DLC being called an Expansion, and thus they aren't obligated to share it with subscribers, instead everyone has to buy it.

So people are angry about subscribing for years under the impression they will have access to content released in the future and then this expansion is an exception. Why should I continue subbing and supporting Zos if this is the case? What was your thinking behind making this decision? I'm want to know before I jump on the #hatetrain and uninstall.

PS: Yes I will send you guys my stuff if I uninstall.

the only thing wrong with it being called an expansion is its really light on content. do i think its a DLC? no its not a DLC but its worth 25 bucks top they are taking the dungeons out of it and the game system change and canning it to sell as dlc to the churn player that does not subscribe . its cheesy marketing once again. and really this is not a premium MMO its a online RPG that is primarily a solo game.

FearlessOne_2014 · February 2017

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

I just don't understand why anyone is pissed about this. HOLY CRAP IT'S A FRIGGIN EXPANSION YO!!

Like be happy who cares if you gotta pay for it. You spend more money on subs in 3 months than you would buying this Xpack.

@BlazingDynamo - Calling it expansion doesn't make wrong into right. Can you tell the difference between DLC and expansion? How do we determine the difference between 2? and if that was the case, why ZOS was not specific about this before?

Facts-
1. as a ESO+ member you are supposed to get all future DLC content for free. Along with 4 DLC every year.
2. T-1 Was not DLC but a update. SoTH- Only 2 Dungeons.
3. Till date only Sizable DLC came out was Orsinium with 20Hrs of game play and now Morrowind has 30 Hrs, so that makes it expansion?
4. Housing is not DLC, it's a another ingame feature update.

So maybe, people should stop calling it right because ZOS just changed the term of how they will cal their content. It does not make it right.

I agree with yall it doesn't make it right. However this sort of thing is the norm. The only things you can possible do in this situation is.

A.) Just never ever support another game again.

B.) Just deal with the minor lies, that game publishers, and developers. Are able to do legally by law now. It's a capitalistic society so these types of things should be expected of businesses these days. Again I'm not saying it's right.

But really their is little any of us can do other then just not buy any video games or make the video games our self.

corrosivechains · February 2017

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

I'm genuinely curious what @ZOS_RichLambert or @ZOS_GinaBruno have to say about this. I'm seeing a lot of angry discussions about the DLC being called an Expansion, and thus they aren't obligated to share it with subscribers, instead everyone has to buy it.

So people are angry about subscribing for years under the impression they will have access to content released in the future and then this expansion is an exception. Why should I continue subbing and supporting Zos if this is the case? What was your thinking behind making this decision? I'm want to know before I jump on the #hatetrain and uninstall.

PS: Yes I will send you guys my stuff if I uninstall.

the only thing wrong with it being called an expansion is its really light on content. do i think its a DLC? no its not a DLC but its worth 25 bucks top they are taking the dungeons out of it and the game system change and canning it to sell as dlc to the churn player that does not subscribe . its cheesy marketing once again. and really this is not a premium MMO its a online RPG that is primarily a solo game.

If they do that then it's another shot in the foot for them. They have stated that no future DLC's available to subs will be locked behind Morrowind, so if they release dungeons specific to Morrowind as DLC, they'll have to spin yet again and find some new buzzword to justify it.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Surak73 wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

So people are angry about subscribing for years under the impression they will have access to content released in the future

Well, calling it an "impression" is pretty reductive... It's what they say, even now and even in the loading screens themselves, inside the game:

"Available DLC is automatically unlocked when you are an ESO Plus Subscriber"

So, in order to not be automatically unlocked, Morrowind should not be downloadable, or should not be a content. Apparently, however, it will be a content - and a big content, they say - and it will be downloadable.

How else are we supposed to get the content if its not downloadable?

Balamoor · February 2017

Just want to point out a couple of truths.

The teeth gnashing and hair pulling is going to do Jack and Ship
No one side is going to convince the other of anything.
No matter how many threaten to leave they will still complain on the forums
At the end of the day those who are happy with the game will still be happy and those who hate it will still hate.

Please feel free to Insert; disappointed/sad/disturbed/morally outraged/having that not so fresh feeling, for hate.

I'm actually sorry people genuinely feel ripped off, I'm sorry some people feel the need to complain about something/anything every 24 hrs or so....but having worked in the industry for a number of years I can tell you, complaining until you get more free stuffs rarely works, and you are never going to change a producers/developers vision, nor the person who controls the money demand.

just my 2 bob.

EDIT: I think many folks will be glad to know that ZoS plans to do some value added things to ESO plus I'm actually surprised this happened but I don't see it quelling complaints of folks who are going whizz and moan regardless.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2017

Why didn't so many people raged when they announced ONE TAMRIEL? You people knew you wouldn't get a DLC in autumn because of 1T but I can't remember you raging back then. Why didn't subscribers complained about missing DLC when it was clear that this quartal they launch HOMESTEAD instead of a DLC?

Both where free for everyone but not even once I saw a thread about broken promises to subscribers back then. And I didn't saw complains about changed conditions to ESO+ when they added stuff. You can't tell me that this expansions/chapter is what broke your camels back when not a single time someone complained about not getting and DLC before. But suddenly you all jump on that bandwagon and say how much it *** you that you didn't get an DLC in Q3/16 and Q1/17 and that 1T and Housing are merely basegame patchets.

Sausage · February 2017

40 bucks per year is absolutely nothing, mate.

Katahdin · February 2017

Dont care.

They have made their decision to go this route and it isnt going to change.
Its a major expansion.
30 hours storyline not including side quests
Biggest zone in the game with the exception of possibly Cyrodiil
Battlegrounds
New class

Housing, whether you care about it and consider it DLC or not was a HUGE effort and took a lot of dev time and resources
The detail in all the items plus the editor was a ton of work.

I think its is unrealistic for me as a subber to expect everything for free.

I love the game and I have gotten every penny that I have spent out of it
I have been subbed since the beginning and I buy crowns occasionally.
I am buying the expansion (already preordered)
I am going to enjoy every minute of it along with the base game.

Surak73 · February 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

You can't tell me that this expansions/chapter is what broke your camels back when not a single time someone complained about not getting and DLC before.

Nope. I remember there have been A LOT of complains about Zenimax releasing too few and too little dlcs. However, loyal subscribers have continued to support them, giving them the equivalent of four Morrowind content a year (about €150 a year).

And now, what does Zenimax do? Do they say "Well, loyal customers, for compensating your support and your patience, we will give you not only the new big content Morrowind, but its collector edition"? This is what a serious company, with managers who know how to run a business, should have said: they would have encouraged subscription a lot, from which they can get the equivalent of two new complete games a year instead of 40€ una tantum.

But no, they didn't say this, they said it's not a dlc but an expansion (LOL...) and they said that their loyal supporters won't even get the normal edition... This is how greed ruins a business, even in these little things.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2017

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Surak73 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

You can't tell me that this expansions/chapter is what broke your camels back when not a single time someone complained about not getting and DLC before.

Nope. I remember there have been A LOT of complains about Zenimax releasing too few and too little dlcs. However, loyal subscribers have continued to support them, giving them the equivalent of four Morrowind content a year (about €150 a year).

And now, what does Zenimax do? Do they say "Well, loyal customers, for compensating your support and your patience, we will give you not only the new big content Morrowind, but its collector edition"? This is what a serious company, with managers who know how to run a business, should have said: they would have encouraged subscription a lot, from which they can get the equivalent of two new complete games a year instead of 40€ una tantum.

But no, they didn't say this, they said it's not a dlc but an expansion (LOL...) and they said that their loyal supporters won't even get the normal edition... This is how greed ruins a business, even in these little things.

I'll take back what I said when I see these threads.

_adhyffbjjjf12 · February 2017

this is what you get for your sub,

Access to DLC game packs for free.
Crowns to spend on the in-game store
Access to Costume Dyeing at Dye Stations
Expanded crafting inventory3
10% bonus to experience points gain¹
10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain¹
10% bonus to trait research time¹
10% bonus to gold acquisition¹

And just like every other mmorpg in the market you pay for expansions. Expansions usually mean larger zones, new classes or skills, new dungeons. Just because someone has decided in their head that an expansion is a DLC does not make it so.

TequilaFire · February 2017

Sausage wrote: »

40 bucks per year is absolutely nothing, mate.

No it is $180 + $40.00 for subs per year.
Not including other purchases.

_adhyffbjjjf12 · February 2017

the $180 is for renting the DLC and all the other bonuses like crowns. You dont' have to go down that route, its an option and nothing to do with an expansion price (40$ is a good price for an expansion)

Access to DLC game packs for free.
Crowns to spend on the in-game store
Access to Costume Dyeing at Dye Stations
Expanded crafting inventory3
10% bonus to experience points gain¹
10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain¹
10% bonus to trait research time¹
10% bonus to gold acquisition¹

Surak73 · February 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

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Surak73 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

You can't tell me that this expansions/chapter is what broke your camels back when not a single time someone complained about not getting and DLC before.

Nope. I remember there have been A LOT of complains about Zenimax releasing too few and too little dlcs. However, loyal subscribers have continued to support them, giving them the equivalent of four Morrowind content a year (about €150 a year).

And now, what does Zenimax do? Do they say "Well, loyal customers, for compensating your support and your patience, we will give you not only the new big content Morrowind, but its collector edition"? This is what a serious company, with managers who know how to run a business, should have said: they would have encouraged subscription a lot, from which they can get the equivalent of two new complete games a year instead of 40€ una tantum.

But no, they didn't say this, they said it's not a dlc but an expansion (LOL...) and they said that their loyal supporters won't even get the normal edition... This is how greed ruins a business, even in these little things.

I'll take back what I said when I see these threads.

As you wish: here there are some, I found them in half a minute just typing "too few new content" in search bar:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/168435/we-want-new-content

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/308671/new-content

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/271640/be3-no-new-content-to-speak-of

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/310839/is-zos-dropping-the-ball-on-new-content

...

Sinthrax · February 2017

Its because the 1000 that are willing to pay for it did and they don't come here to say they did. The only ones on the forums complaining is majority the freeloaders that complained the game has a sub too. We been ignoring you for almost 3 years. The choice is yours to make. Play or don't...no sweat off my back.

I am sorry if I sound rude. I am just so burned out on you guys. If the game really upsets you to the point you arent willing to spend ANY money on it and want it all for free. ZoS is probably better off if that group of people left anyway.

_adhyffbjjjf12 · February 2017

put it another way in all mmorpg adding a new class is a big deal and clearly expensive to develop - they only ever appear in expansions for this reason, they never appear in DLC or patches.

Sinthrax · February 2017

I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT!!! This is really DLC but it still cost the same amount. Now are all you happy. Stop playing on what it is called. It cost money...now chose. I say you drop your sub(if you had one) and leave.

corrosivechains · February 2017

Sinthrax wrote: »

Its because the 1000 that are willing to pay for it did and they don't come here to say they did. The only ones on the forums complaining is majority the freeloaders that complained the game has a sub too. We been ignoring you for almost 3 years. The choice is yours to make. Play or don't...no sweat off my back.

I am sorry if I sound rude. I am just so burned out on you guys. If the game really upsets you to the point you arent willing to spend ANY money on it and want it all for free. ZoS is probably better off if that group of people left anyway.

I didn't realize subscriptions and crowns were free. Can you elucidate me on where I can get my free subscription, and hence my free crowns?

Annalyse · February 2017

MornaBaine wrote: »

Actually, in the video announcing this they shied away from the term expansion, literally said they don't want to call it an expansion, and instead referred to it as a "chapter." Apparently using a NEW word makes it different somehow.

This "chapter" is just as expensive as the entire original game purchase. And indeed it includes the base game. But guess what? I already HAVE the base game! So why isn't it HALF PRICE for existing players and only full price for those buying into ESO for the first time with it?

Otherwise, for the price of AN ENTIRE NEW GAME I expect to GET the same amount of content as a new game, not a mere 30 more hours.

And even IF it were half price it would still need at least TWICE the land mass and content of Wrothgar.

That might just be PART of why people are upset.

This is exactly what upsets me. If it is only slightly bigger than Orsinium, it should be at most $20-25 for the upgrade. If it is going to be $50 it should be closer to the size of the base game itself. (CAD prices)

If it was reasonably priced for the upgrade version I would have no problem with it. But spending more money than I spent on the base game just to get Orsinium-sized content is ridiculous.

nimander99 · February 2017

NovaShadow wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

I just don't understand why anyone is pissed about this. HOLY CRAP IT'S A FRIGGIN EXPANSION YO!!

Like be happy who cares if you gotta pay for it. You spend more money on subs in 3 months than you would buying this Xpack.

It's NOT the money.

It's the lies/deception.

Its not lies and deception silly, its an ever evolving game! Plans are always changing and now we have 1 chapter a year for 40-100$ plus the evolving Crown Crates and all that other stuffs.

Evolution brah, its just nature

corrosivechains · February 2017

nimander99 wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

I just don't understand why anyone is pissed about this. HOLY CRAP IT'S A FRIGGIN EXPANSION YO!!

Like be happy who cares if you gotta pay for it. You spend more money on subs in 3 months than you would buying this Xpack.

It's NOT the money.

It's the lies/deception.

Its not lies and deception silly, its an ever evolving game! Plans are always changing and now we have 1 chapter a year for 40-100$ plus the evolving Crown Crates and all that other stuffs.

Evolution brah, its just nature

lol button back please

"It's not lies, it's redirecting the truth in another direction! Alternate facts and all that!"

notimetocare · February 2017

TequilaFire wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

40 bucks per year is absolutely nothing, mate.

No it is $180 + $40.00 for subs per year.
Not including other purchases.

Still basically nothing. If you cant afford that, gaming should not be you hobby. Recycling should