Ahnastashia wrote: »Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
And spare me your tales of your righteous crusades against corporate money grabbing.
If you think something is not worth the price, don't buy it!
It's that easy.
You think it looks good and you will get a lot of entertainment for the announced price. That's okay.
You think that you are being scammed and you won't get enough for the price. That's okay as well.
What is not okay is behaving like a bunch of manchildren over 40$.
And yes I realize that this amount of money is quite large for people in some countries. But as with anything else - if you can't afford it, don't buy it. I can't afford a BMW. I don't *** and complain on the BMW forums that their cars are too expensive for me.
Yeah.. I'm completely with you OP. I just can't even grasp the concept that an expansion would be part of the sub..
ZOS must feel like this is a nightmare they want to wake up from.. They made this awesome expansion, charged a reasonable price for it, offered several versions (price ranges), and people are upset they don't get it for free or can't buy it with crowns...
I'd like to add.. at least for me.. ESO is the only MMO I have ever played that has sales on their cash shop credits.. gives their subscribers crows/credits to use to either buy DLC content or stuff in their shop. MMOs like WOW and FFXIV just offer certain bonuses to subbing... and always charge for expansions.
I have to reiterate what the OP already said really.... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!!!!!!
Nyghthowler wrote: »Oh, well, since you put it that way I guess since I DOWNLOADED the original ESO at relase instead of getting a physical copy of it I should get a refund because I had to pay for it....NovaShadow wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »Technically, you're wrong. This is the first one since the original release that is available with a hard copy of the game, i.e. a disk, and is available with physical items. So this becomes an Expansion, not just DLC.NovaShadow wrote: »old_mufasa wrote: »aheck1111_ESO wrote: »What if you agreed to pay BMW a monthly fee and in return you could drive any car they offered at the time and in the future. Then one day, they release the car of your dreams and you expect to have access to drive that car. However, BMW says, 'Sorry, this is actually an automobile, not a car, so you'll have to pay full price for this one.'
Except for the fact that this analogy is bad and a complete lie.
FACT: ZOS never promised that ESO+ gave you the ability to play free* all content that will ever be produced, ever, until the end of time.
This is a better analogy for you blockheads:
You agreed to pay BMW a monthly fee and in return you could drive any sedan released at no extra charge. Then one day, they release an awesome SUV and you expect to have access to drive that SUV. However, BMW says, 'Sorry, that's an SUV, not a Sedan.
All car companies are in agreement the differences between a Sedan and SUV. Just because you choose to disagree with what an SUV is, doesn't mean you are right. You aren't the decision-maker.
Everyone in the videogame world knows, and agrees, on the distinction between DLC and Expansion. Get with the program.
Maybe you need to read what the ESO plus said it would be giving...
It said ALL DOWN LOADABLE CONTENT...
Morrowind is down loadable content...
So better analogy for you tiny minded people is
You agreed to pay BMW a monthly fee and in return you could drive any sedan released at no extra charge. Then one day, they release a green sedan's as green Sedan XL edition and you expect to have access to drive what is a sedan. However, BMW says, 'Sorry, that's an Sedan XL, not a Sedan.
Just because they relabel it does not change that it's down loadable content.
Downloadable Content. DLC. Downloadable Content. DLC. Downloadable Content. DLC. DownLoadable Content. How is this confusing? DLC has always, for years, been handled separately from Expansions, in every single MMO produced.
Technically you'll still be DOWNLOADING Morrowind, so technically it IS downloadable content.
If the majority of you forum trolls had played anything besides Hello Kitty Island you might understand this.
WTF is Hello Kitty Island???
The DLC can be downloaded (and used via disk as you say). I guess you're ignoring the fact that those who digitally upgrade will be DOWNLOADING the update not using a disk, therefore, it's a DLC.
Expansion/DLC. It is just a name. ZOS are calling it an expansion to get more money out of people, all these collectables are simply pulling on people's nostalgia from the old days.
I don't know what trolling you're talking about, point out the facts is NOT trolling. Facts are facts. If you refuse to believe the facts take your 'alternative facts' elsewhere.
Hard expansion to sell, they gotta do better next time. That was my first impression.
Stovahkiin wrote: »Hard expansion to sell, they gotta do better next time. That was my first impression.
Vvardenfell? I really don't think that's anything near being hard to sell. It was actually pretty smart imo, there are a ton of TES: Morrowind fans out there (including me) that are going to snatch this up very quickly.
Stovahkiin wrote: »Hard expansion to sell, they gotta do better next time. That was my first impression.
Vvardenfell? I really don't think that's anything near being hard to sell. It was actually pretty smart imo, there are a ton of TES: Morrowind fans out there (including me) that are going to snatch this up very quickly.
From MMORPG's gamers perspective, this aint nothing special and in modern world, this aint gonna make it. Hopefully it generates at least a bit of hype.
Stovahkiin wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Hard expansion to sell, they gotta do better next time. That was my first impression.
Vvardenfell? I really don't think that's anything near being hard to sell. It was actually pretty smart imo, there are a ton of TES: Morrowind fans out there (including me) that are going to snatch this up very quickly.
From MMORPG's gamers perspective, this aint nothing special and in modern world, this aint gonna make it. Hopefully it generates at least a bit of hype.
Welp, like I was saying, they seemed to be targeting the older ES audience with this expansion, as well as providing other things that should/would/might appeal to other gamers (battlegrounds and a new class)
A gaffe is a gaffe no matter who says it.
andreasranasen wrote: »You cannot walk into Louis Vuitton with $10 in your pocket and expect to walk out with a bag.
I can't afford a BMW. I don't *** and complain on the BMW forums that their cars are too expensive for me.
Totes-Bode wrote: »I can't afford a BMW. I don't *** and complain on the BMW forums that their cars are too expensive for me.
I'm sure you can conceive that there is a difference between 'crying that you can't afford a BMW' and being vocally miffed that BMW's Subscription Program which you already purchased, allowing you to test drive any future BMW as long as you want for free, was suddenly completely truncated based on weasel words.
Totes-Bode wrote: »I can't afford a BMW. I don't *** and complain on the BMW forums that their cars are too expensive for me.
I'm sure you can conceive that there is a difference between 'crying that you can't afford a BMW' and being vocally miffed that BMW's Subscription Program which you already purchased, allowing you to test drive any future BMW as long as you want for free, was suddenly completely truncated based on weasel words.
"Weasel Words"? Please expound. I love alliteration and this one sounds like fun to use in standard conversation.
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old_mufasa wrote: »Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
And spare me your tales of your righteous crusades against corporate money grabbing.
If you think something is not worth the price, don't buy it!
It's that easy.
You think it looks good and you will get a lot of entertainment for the announced price. That's okay.
You think that you are being scammed and you won't get enough for the price. That's okay as well.
What is not okay is behaving like a bunch of manchildren over 40$.
And yes I realize that this amount of money is quite large for people in some countries. But as with anything else - if you can't afford it, don't buy it. I can't afford a BMW. I don't *** and complain on the BMW forums that their cars are too expensive for me.
Take your own advice and grow up..
Maybe when you grow up and understand that when you pay for a service that said certain obligation will be met per year and they renege on said obligation the consumer has every right to complain.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »No sense in just adding to the existing threads. In the next 48 hours:
I predict at least 3 more threads started about the perceived injustice.
I also predict at least 2 more threads trying to reason with or calm the perturbed.
aheck1111_ESO wrote: »What if you agreed to pay BMW a monthly fee and in return you could drive any car they offered at the time and in the future. Then one day, they release the car of your dreams and you expect to have access to drive that car. However, BMW says, 'Sorry, this is actually an automobile, not a car, so you'll have to pay full price for this one.'
Hard expansion to sell, they gotta do better next time. That was my first impression.
From MMORPG's gamers perspective, this aint nothing special and in modern world, this aint gonna make it. Hopefully it generates at least a bit of hype.
Thats fine, Ive said it all along, its ES players who remain in this game. But they didnt exactly hit homerun with this.