I really want to use this skill, i'd enjoy setting up burst but i don't want to if its bugged.

so 50k tooltip dmg for a full burst in 6s.

Assuming they don't dodge, block, cc, shield, line of sight etc... you.

Autolycus wrote: »

I've hit people with a single Strife for 15k before, Dizzying Swings for 12-14k, etc. You should not be concerned about balance when 10.3k is all you get hit with.

A bit off topic, but I would be extremely interested to see how in the world you hit a 15k strife. That seems impossible. Surely you meant spectral bow?

The issue here isn't that 10.3k is "all you get hit with," it is that you get hit with an additional 10.3k on top of what else your opponent is doing. Something like heavy attack + dawnbreaker + poison injection tick into executioner is already a strong combo, but it is balanced. Throwing on 10.3k damage on top of that, however, is not balanced. It is kind of a similar issue to stacking proc sets - it allows for too much damage stacking that has little to no counterplay.

Edit: I should add that I am on console so I haven't had a chance to test this. I am just going off others' statements that this will commonly hit for 10.3k, which I believe is OP. If it turns out that 10.3k is an over-exaggeration or an exceptional case then maybe the skill isn't OP. But a reliable 10.3k burst is way too strong for this skill in my opinion.

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

@Liam12548 careful Liam last time I sent you that tin foil hat ZOS removed it !

As for @Autolycus when I meant they stack, I didn't mean from yourself I meant from multiple Templars, sorry if wasn't concise enough.

Lol had to toss it in there. As for the stacking thing, multiple templars could be casting it in group play but those templars would also have to be doing proper damage in order to make use of the actual burst (obviously minor breach/fracture doesn't stack). Thus, healers spamming this in zerg balls would accomplish little to no actual damage (AFTER THE BUILDUP BUG IS FIXED).

olsborg wrote: »

Jabs arent dodgeable.

False, try walking 1m to either the left or right of the jabbing templar. He'll miss all the jabs, get charged the ability cost, and likely not even land the snare or extra damage hit!

(Obviously the skill itself is now undodgeable but is still the most inconsistent ability in the game to actually do damage with on moving targets)

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Jabs arent dodgeable.

False, try walking 1m to either the left or right of the jabbing templar. He'll miss all the jabs, get charged the ability cost, and likely not even land the snare or extra damage hit!

(Obviously the skill itself is now undodgeable but is still the most inconsistent ability in the game to actually do damage with on moving targets)

It hits pretty accurate if you get used to it.

This is my experience too.

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

They wouldn't have to do dmg as it counts allies dmg too so Templar in a large group spamming this skill from range whilst the rest of the group gap closes in leaves you exposed to the explosive 10/20/30k from however many Templars there are in the group.

My understanding of the skill was that only the caster's dps contributed to the final burst. Has this been proven otherwise or is there a patch note that contradicts this?

Okay did more testing.

It is currently completely bypassing CP for both the damage calculation (from the caster's CP) and the target's defensive CP.

Crap CP that provides no mitigation:
Still hit for 10,300.

Good CP that should provide high mitigation: Still hit for 10,300.

Furthermore, we tested with damage mitigation abilities. Standard of might did not give any damage reduction against the ability, and the fighters guild circle's 8% damage reduction also did nothing.

The vampire damage reduction should be kicking in on my character, too, but I haven't noticed any damage reduction from that either.

I also tried blocking the build-up damage, as suggested by someone who says the skill is working fine... and guess what happened?
I got hit by the full 10.3k damage again.

Even light attacks after applying purifying light will easily reach the damage cap.
You can see the initial damage from the application of the ability and the light attacks which result in the big hit.
It is possible to not do enough damage and therefore not reach the damage threshold, but the amount of damage required, and the build up to this damage cap is so fast, that this wouldn't happen when fighting in normal PvP/duels.
Here's an example:
This skill is horribly bugged and needs fixing.
Please take a look at it @ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert.

@RoyJade
Hey, definitely seems to be problems with the damage build up, can take a look at some of the data we have. Damage threshold does exist, but it is very low so can be reached with just dual wield light attacks on a magicka templar.

timidobserver wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

You have 6 seconds to deal with it. That is a lifetime in PvP where proc sets can help load 40k dmg into a player instantly.

Still, if that 10k burst is accurate that would be pretty broken.

1. If you are a Templar cleanse it.
2. If you are a magSorc shield it.
3. If you are a NB cloak to prevent the damage resulting in Purifying light not being built up.
4. If you are a DK or stam sorc you may be in trouble.

Cloak doesn't work.

Also, no stam build can counter this except stamplar. This is broken

If you aren't taking damage it isn't building. So passively stambuilds counter it by running Shuffle. Then there is cloak, dodge rolling, and los.

Considering this debuff will be refreshed immediately after proccing, are you suggesting players play in full defense all of the time?

This is still not as good as sorcs curse lol .. Sorc curse does roughly the same dmg and will now pop 2x.

I still don't get the logic behind giving Templars their own Velocious Curse.

Sandman929 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

This is still not as good as sorcs curse lol .. Sorc curse does roughly the same dmg and will now pop 2x.

10k on a curse? Which naked level 10 did that happen on?

Given the new scaling, it probably happened on a naked level 33.

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

@Ragnaroek93 You realise it's all CC's right xD? and my thread about that got no attention at all. CC does not work at all, Fear doesn't do anything, ALL knockbacks give you the old reverb cha cha chaaa slide no matter the skill. Only working ones I managed to test was disorients and Fossilise lol Just logged out after that because of crashes.

Hahaha I did not test much because the game crashes every few minutes At least Wrecking Blow CC seemed fine when I tested it ^^

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

@Ragnaroek93 It wasn't for me xD was sliding all over the place too, fear is the worse, test it xD. It literally does nothing lol

Hahahaha. Let's forget everything about balance, it's time to pray that they fix their bugs before this goes live xD

Man, the only thing we really know at the moment is the buildup damage is buggued. We don't even know what are the real buildup rules intended for the skill. If all mitigated damage take in account the mitigation for the buildup, purifying/PotL will hit for only a 2-3k damage most of the time. Not insane, not even dangerous, that's mean you take 16k damages in 6 second.
Don't cry now, or say it's overpowered (except because of the bug, of course, but that's a bug and not an intended feature just here to wreck your face in pvp). Wait for some real infos.

I'll perhaps finish the download this night, so I hope I'll be able to do the testings tomorrow. If I can determine how the damage buildup is done (taking mitigation or not, especially), I'll probably be able to know how powerful the skill may be. Unless there is even more bugs, of course.