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Apparently, TES lore is "disturbing" and "inappropriate"
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✭AlwaysOnFire wrote: »You're boring and whiny, MythicEmperor. I don't think anybody here is saying that there should be no depictions of slavery in The Elder Scrolls. What I think (in interpretation) was said to you amounts to that we need our depictions of slavery to be a useful comment on slavery, what it means to people and the descendants of enslaved people.
Like it or not, the original Elder Scrolls lore was written mostly by people who did not have significant ancestors who experienced slavery (don't give me that 'everybody has been enslaved' crap. Some people's ancestors have been enslaved within the past 200 years) or cultural knowledge of slavery other than that it was a tragedy that happened to other people. And so, it stands to reason that an effective comment or sufficient perspective on slavery was missing from prior games. Yes, even Morrowind. Doesn't matter if it's a good game. Still was written mostly if not totally by white people for whom the orientialist trappings of much of the art are just "exotic flavor" and the themes of slavery and cultural trauma are "interesting," "angsty," and "for intrigue." Rather than having even a shred of intellectual commentary on them whatsoever. Beyond, you know, that slavery and oppression are bad and hurt people I guess. And even then you could choose to play a character for whom that's not even a problem and the whole topic would fly fifty feet over their head.
Button up, buttercup. You just can't handle being called gross for wanting slaves. That's your entire deal and you'd rather whine than realize that you maybe don't have the greatest grasp on a topic that's faraway and abstract to you, rather than something that requires actual finesse to handle. Rather than your meaty pawing suggestions to do the least sensitive thing whatsoever: allow characters to become a slaver, but not a liberator of slaves. There's a reason why the game allows you to give to the poor as well as kill them, you great tweedbeetle.
So are you saying that you would be ok with his suggestion if they also added content where you could liberate slaves? I don't think the OP claims to be calling slavery not "gross" just that he wants to be able to further immerse himself into the lore of the Dunmer. Also yes slavery was a tragedy IRL, but this was also, as you said, 200 years ago. You need to grow up and make something of yourself instead of hiding behind the atrocities committed on your ancestors. For example look at the Jewish people, do you see them using the tragedy of the holocaust (which happened much later than slavery) to claim "privilege" and infringe on free speech under the flag of being triggered? No, they have moved on with their lives and are working towards furthering their people. In short yes slavery was bad but you need to learn to put the past behind you and move on.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.
Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.
Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.
Let us not forget what goes on in the lowest level of the Ebony Flask.
At that point, I can honestly say, if you want to go find other players, who will pay you to dance naked for them... go for it. We'll hear about it on the boards, and laugh ourselves sick, but if it's two consenting adults RPing. Just make sure none of them is a kid or an FBI agent.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.
Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.
Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.
Daggerfall has a Prostitution guild that was supposed to be joinable, and you could have sex with NPCs. But it got axed, tho there are leftovers in the game files (and a lot naked/semi naked women around. Including Daedric Princes). And afterwards, there have been only subtle referrences to it like that Inn in Morrowind, or NPC dialogue but never more than that
Slavery has been a thing as well:
- Daggerfall has Nocturnal referrence to her worshipper as a slave
- Morrowind has slaves
- And then there's this game: Khajiit Slaves in Stonefalls, Argonian captives in Deshaan,..."Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »FluffyReachWitch wrote: »For once I wish we had an "lol" button.
That thread was not a discussion of lore.
That thread was you arguing that the player character should be allowed to have slaves. Many people found that disturbing.
A large percentage of Morrowind-based RP guilds have a slavery system in place. BAN EM ALL! Right? Wrong. I find it disturbing that some people wish to silence the lore. No wonder so many people exclude this game from their headcanons. The game has strayed from the lore in so many ways, and I find it disturbing that people wish to further remove it from the single player games.
You know, if you have two consenting RPers, who want to do a Master/Slave thing... that's their choice. It's weird, messed up, but they're participating together, so it's clearly a mutual decision. That wasn't what you were asking for, though.
So it's fine if two RPers consent but because an NPC can't... ? Heh
#NPCLivesMatter
Or, you know, just disgusting behavior.starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game
WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!
Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so
Well, then, your Dunmer can deal with that problem on their own. They've currently sworn fealty to a political and military alliance that has outlawed the practice.
Actually, my Dunmer is of House Telvanni, which never joined the Pact. Even if he wasn't, only Pact races are illegal to own as slaves.
Might want to double check that. When you're on the character select screen, or look at his character screen, which icon is on his sheet?
It's called ESO pre-order Explorer's Pack
Well, this one's simple. If it's Covenant, you're not allowed to own slaves. If it's Pact, you can own Khajiit, in theory, but not in practice. If it's Dominion, you can own goblins. So... which is it?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »FluffyReachWitch wrote: »For once I wish we had an "lol" button.
That thread was not a discussion of lore.
That thread was you arguing that the player character should be allowed to have slaves. Many people found that disturbing.
A large percentage of Morrowind-based RP guilds have a slavery system in place. BAN EM ALL! Right? Wrong. I find it disturbing that some people wish to silence the lore. No wonder so many people exclude this game from their headcanons. The game has strayed from the lore in so many ways, and I find it disturbing that people wish to further remove it from the single player games.
You know, if you have two consenting RPers, who want to do a Master/Slave thing... that's their choice. It's weird, messed up, but they're participating together, so it's clearly a mutual decision. That wasn't what you were asking for, though.
So it's fine if two RPers consent but because an NPC can't... ? Heh
Whatever two people are getting up to in tells... I don't want to know. Unless someone's feeling aggrieved, I really don't care. It's their choice, note the plurality there. I'm not going to get into a qualitative assessment, because I've seen how terrible some RPers are, but, no matter how you cut it, it's not actual slavery.
Sticking a collar on an NPC and dragging them around, while stuffing random crap down their pockets, because you want to live the life of a slaver... that's all kinds of messed up.
Not saying its not messed up but I mean that's what we are doing with companions in Skyrim and Fallout and such already. If they call it a companion the only difference is the lack of a collar, really.Edited by Sigtric on January 22, 2017 12:06AM
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game
WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!
Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so
Well, then, your Dunmer can deal with that problem on their own. They've currently sworn fealty to a political and military alliance that has outlawed the practice.
Not all Dunmer houses joined the Pact
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
Show Me Your Dunmer
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game
WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!
Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so
Well, then, your Dunmer can deal with that problem on their own. They've currently sworn fealty to a political and military alliance that has outlawed the practice.
Not all Dunmer houses joined the Pact
Same goes for the other 2 races as well"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »AlwaysOnFire wrote: »You're boring and whiny, MythicEmperor. I don't think anybody here is saying that there should be no depictions of slavery in The Elder Scrolls. What I think (in interpretation) was said to you amounts to that we need our depictions of slavery to be a useful comment on slavery, what it means to people and the descendants of enslaved people.
Like it or not, the original Elder Scrolls lore was written mostly by people who did not have significant ancestors who experienced slavery (don't give me that 'everybody has been enslaved' crap. Some people's ancestors have been enslaved within the past 200 years) or cultural knowledge of slavery other than that it was a tragedy that happened to other people. And so, it stands to reason that an effective comment or sufficient perspective on slavery was missing from prior games. Yes, even Morrowind. Doesn't matter if it's a good game. Still was written mostly if not totally by white people for whom the orientialist trappings of much of the art are just "exotic flavor" and the themes of slavery and cultural trauma are "interesting," "angsty," and "for intrigue." Rather than having even a shred of intellectual commentary on them whatsoever. Beyond, you know, that slavery and oppression are bad and hurt people I guess. And even then you could choose to play a character for whom that's not even a problem and the whole topic would fly fifty feet over their head.
Button up, buttercup. You just can't handle being called gross for wanting slaves. That's your entire deal and you'd rather whine than realize that you maybe don't have the greatest grasp on a topic that's faraway and abstract to you, rather than something that requires actual finesse to handle. Rather than your meaty pawing suggestions to do the least sensitive thing whatsoever: allow characters to become a slaver, but not a liberator of slaves. There's a reason why the game allows you to give to the poor as well as kill them, you great tweedbeetle.
So are you saying that you would be ok with his suggestion if they also added content where you could liberate slaves? I don't think the OP claims to be calling slavery not "gross" just that he wants to be able to further immerse himself into the lore of the Dunmer. Also yes slavery was a tragedy IRL, but this was also, as you said, 200 years ago. You need to grow up and make something of yourself instead of hiding behind the atrocities committed on your ancestors. For example look at the Jewish people, do you see them using the tragedy of the holocaust (which happened much later than slavery) to claim "privilege" and infringe on free speech under the flag of being triggered? No, they have moved on with their lives and are working towards furthering their people. In short yes slavery was bad but you need to learn to put the past behind you and move on.
I couldn't have said this better. I agree completely.With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
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✭✭✭✭Vampires also have slaves, they go a step further and farm people like cattle.
Maybe someone just doesn't realize the ES series is not for little children, it's like the fantasy version of GTA.
For instance.....
- Uncle Sweetshare / He is a Drug Dealing Santa Claus like character who has been sneaking Moon Sugar into the guards food, He is from the Morrowind Bloodmoon DLC.
- Barenziah / Read the Real Barenizah from Daggerfall, it mentioned in great detail about the time when Barenizah slept with a Khajiit.
- Falanu Hlaalu / The Alchemist in Skingrad who asks you what the fine for *** is in Cyrodiil.
- What about the Cannibalism in Skyrim? or the tortue of the Boethiah Priest in the Molag Bal quest? oh yeah and talking about Molag Bal, the very reason vampires exist is because he *** a young woman.
Need I continue?Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on January 22, 2017 12:23AM4 -
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✭starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.
Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.
Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.
Let us not forget what goes on in the lowest level of the Ebony Flask.
At that point, I can honestly say, if you want to go find other players, who will pay you to dance naked for them... go for it. We'll hear about it on the boards, and laugh ourselves sick, but if it's two consenting adults RPing. Just make sure none of them is a kid or an FBI agent.
This is nowhere near what I am arguing for or want. I am simply pointing out that a post which only referenced Elder Scrolls lore was closed.With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »FluffyReachWitch wrote: »For once I wish we had an "lol" button.
That thread was not a discussion of lore.
That thread was you arguing that the player character should be allowed to have slaves. Many people found that disturbing.
A large percentage of Morrowind-based RP guilds have a slavery system in place. BAN EM ALL! Right? Wrong. I find it disturbing that some people wish to silence the lore. No wonder so many people exclude this game from their headcanons. The game has strayed from the lore in so many ways, and I find it disturbing that people wish to further remove it from the single player games.
You know, if you have two consenting RPers, who want to do a Master/Slave thing... that's their choice. It's weird, messed up, but they're participating together, so it's clearly a mutual decision. That wasn't what you were asking for, though.
So it's fine if two RPers consent but because an NPC can't... ? Heh
Whatever two people are getting up to in tells... I don't want to know. Unless someone's feeling aggrieved, I really don't care. It's their choice, note the plurality there. I'm not going to get into a qualitative assessment, because I've seen how terrible some RPers are, but, no matter how you cut it, it's not actual slavery.
Sticking a collar on an NPC and dragging them around, while stuffing random crap down their pockets, because you want to live the life of a slaver... that's all kinds of messed up.
Not saying its not messed up but I mean that's what we are doing with companions in Skyrim and Fallout and such already. If they call it a companion the only difference is the lack of a collar, really.
It's significant. In Skyrim, you're hauling around mercenaries, or pledged bodyguards. They may not like you, but they are getting paid. Or, in the case of Serana, she's there voluntarily.
In the case of Fallout 4, companions will actually leave you if you *** them off enough. It's actually, the only way you can kill some of them. Keep them happy, and they'll stick with you. Betray their values enough, and they'll (in some cases) try to kill you.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game
WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!
Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so
Well, then, your Dunmer can deal with that problem on their own. They've currently sworn fealty to a political and military alliance that has outlawed the practice.
Not all Dunmer houses joined the Pact
No, but by mechanical necessity, all player characters are bound to one of the alliances. You cannot roll up a neutral character who isn't a part of any alliance. You may want to, but it's not an option. Just like how you can't roll up a daedra. It may be your character concept, but the game does not permit that choice.2 -
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✭AlwaysOnFire wrote: »like i don't know what your problem is. You can still enjoy the wonders of slavery in Stonefalls, where it's still legal to enslave political prisoners like the Khajiit. Oh, it's just pretty outwardly framed as cruel and wrong and an injustice the Dunmer still perpetuate, because that's the story that is being told here, instead of your creepy power fantasy where you'd love to own slaves and you think that Bethesda or Zenimax should support or endorse your icky dreams by devoting money to developing a system to accommodate it just for you. Gross.
What people roleplay in their spare time can be as screwed up as they please-- they aren't doing it for money, aren't using the money of subscribers to develop it, and aren't endorsing that content by subjecting everybody to the possibility of participating.
Ever heard of roleplaying? Kinda hard to be a Dunmer slaver without any slaves. Obviously it's not something we endorse in real life, but we want to play as Dunmer are portrayed in the franchise. Get off your high horse.Desperate for Roleplaying servers to bring open world non-organised RP to Elder Scrolls Online. Please ZOS.6 -
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✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Vampires also have slaves, they go a step further and farm people like cattle.
Maybe someone just doesn't realize the ES series is not for little children, it's like the fantasy version of GTA.
I completely forgot to mention this. Yes, in Castle Volkihar in Skyrim there are slaves, called "thralls", which serve no purpose other than to be fed upon. They lie on tables being eaten alive. How is my idea of implementing something from the lore, which is rather PG compared to this, any worse?With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
Fargoth of Morrowind, Bosmer commoner1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.
Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.
Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.
Let us not forget what goes on in the lowest level of the Ebony Flask.
At that point, I can honestly say, if you want to go find other players, who will pay you to dance naked for them... go for it. We'll hear about it on the boards, and laugh ourselves sick, but if it's two consenting adults RPing. Just make sure none of them is a kid or an FBI agent.
This is nowhere near what I am arguing for or want. I am simply pointing out that a post which only referenced Elder Scrolls lore was closed.
You know you're not allowed to do that, right? I mean, discussions on moderation are prohibited by the board's code of conduct. Basically to prevent exactly what you did here, jumping around a closed thread to start it back up, or to start an argument with the moderators who looked at the original one, went, "WTF," and fed the original thread to ravenous wombats.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭True on fallout but I've never paid anyone in Skyrim. It's all imaginary... Just like my argonian house lizard.
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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✭AlwaysOnFire wrote: »like i don't know what your problem is. You can still enjoy the wonders of slavery in Stonefalls, where it's still legal to enslave political prisoners like the Khajiit. Oh, it's just pretty outwardly framed as cruel and wrong and an injustice the Dunmer still perpetuate, because that's the story that is being told here, instead of your creepy power fantasy where you'd love to own slaves and you think that Bethesda or Zenimax should support or endorse your icky dreams by devoting money to developing a system to accommodate it just for you. Gross.
What people roleplay in their spare time can be as screwed up as they please-- they aren't doing it for money, aren't using the money of subscribers to develop it, and aren't endorsing that content by subjecting everybody to the possibility of participating.
Ever heard of roleplaying? Kinda hard to be a Dunmer slaver without any slaves. Obviously it's not something we endorse in real life, but we want to play as Dunmer are portrayed in the franchise. Get off your high horse.
Exactly! None here are arguing that slavery is good, simply that it is a needed feature for lots of Dunmer's RP.With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
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✭starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.
Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.
Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.
Let us not forget what goes on in the lowest level of the Ebony Flask.
At that point, I can honestly say, if you want to go find other players, who will pay you to dance naked for them... go for it. We'll hear about it on the boards, and laugh ourselves sick, but if it's two consenting adults RPing. Just make sure none of them is a kid or an FBI agent.
This is nowhere near what I am arguing for or want. I am simply pointing out that a post which only referenced Elder Scrolls lore was closed.
You know you're not allowed to do that, right? I mean, discussions on moderation are prohibited by the board's code of conduct. Basically to prevent exactly what you did here, jumping around a closed thread to start it back up, or to start an argument with the moderators who looked at the original one, went, "WTF," and fed the original thread to ravenous wombats.
I am not discussing moderation, I am discussing lore threads With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, TESO is kinda toned down compared to previous games.
I remember how I joined House Hlaalu on my first playthrough of Morrowind and my handsome male dunmer was molested by some nasty Imperial...
You know...
Or how my Skyrim char was seduced by some hagraven... Gross!Edited by LadyNalcarya on January 22, 2017 12:19AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, TESO is kinda toned down compared to previous games.
I remember how I joined House Hlaalu on my first playthrough of Morrowind and my handsome male dunmer was molested by some nasty Imperial...
You know...
Very true, but it is still rated M. Crassius was.... interesting, to say the least. I only ever joined House Telvanni, but I encountered him when I had to convince all the councilors to make me Hortator.With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
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✭✭✭✭✭True on fallout but I've never paid anyone in Skyrim. It's all imaginary... Just like my argonian house lizard.
The companions in Skyrim fall into three categories.
Quest Related and Allies: Go do a thing, this guy is going with you. Serana's one example that occupies your follower slot. This also includes guild members that are willing to give you a hand. Again, not your slaves, but they're running around murdering things with you by choice.
Housecarls: These guys are, basically, civil servants. Their job is to protect the Thane, and yeah, it is apparently a paid position.
Mercenaries: You'll find them in bars all over the province. Usually you pay them 500 gold or some similarly trivial amount, and they'll follow you until you accidentally murder them.Edited by starkerealm on January 22, 2017 12:41AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.
Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.
Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.
Let us not forget what goes on in the lowest level of the Ebony Flask.
At that point, I can honestly say, if you want to go find other players, who will pay you to dance naked for them... go for it. We'll hear about it on the boards, and laugh ourselves sick, but if it's two consenting adults RPing. Just make sure none of them is a kid or an FBI agent.
This is nowhere near what I am arguing for or want. I am simply pointing out that a post which only referenced Elder Scrolls lore was closed.
You know you're not allowed to do that, right? I mean, discussions on moderation are prohibited by the board's code of conduct. Basically to prevent exactly what you did here, jumping around a closed thread to start it back up, or to start an argument with the moderators who looked at the original one, went, "WTF," and fed the original thread to ravenous wombats.
I am not discussing moderation, I am discussing lore threadsMythicEmperor wrote: »So, I recently made a thread discussing slavery in the Elder Scrolls Online. It is now closed. Why?
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✭starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.
Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.
Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.
Let us not forget what goes on in the lowest level of the Ebony Flask.
At that point, I can honestly say, if you want to go find other players, who will pay you to dance naked for them... go for it. We'll hear about it on the boards, and laugh ourselves sick, but if it's two consenting adults RPing. Just make sure none of them is a kid or an FBI agent.
This is nowhere near what I am arguing for or want. I am simply pointing out that a post which only referenced Elder Scrolls lore was closed.
You know you're not allowed to do that, right? I mean, discussions on moderation are prohibited by the board's code of conduct. Basically to prevent exactly what you did here, jumping around a closed thread to start it back up, or to start an argument with the moderators who looked at the original one, went, "WTF," and fed the original thread to ravenous wombats.
I am not discussing moderation, I am discussing lore threadsMythicEmperor wrote: »So, I recently made a thread discussing slavery in the Elder Scrolls Online. It is now closed. Why?
Riiiigh.
Correctimundtisimo. That's a thing now, while we are inventing words. My quote about creating a thread is just that: me discussing a thread.With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
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✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MythicEmperor wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.
The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.
Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.
What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.
Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.
Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.
Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.
Let us not forget what goes on in the lowest level of the Ebony Flask.
At that point, I can honestly say, if you want to go find other players, who will pay you to dance naked for them... go for it. We'll hear about it on the boards, and laugh ourselves sick, but if it's two consenting adults RPing. Just make sure none of them is a kid or an FBI agent.
This is nowhere near what I am arguing for or want. I am simply pointing out that a post which only referenced Elder Scrolls lore was closed.
You know you're not allowed to do that, right? I mean, discussions on moderation are prohibited by the board's code of conduct. Basically to prevent exactly what you did here, jumping around a closed thread to start it back up, or to start an argument with the moderators who looked at the original one, went, "WTF," and fed the original thread to ravenous wombats.
I am not discussing moderation, I am discussing lore threadsMythicEmperor wrote: »So, I recently made a thread discussing slavery in the Elder Scrolls Online. It is now closed. Why?
Riiiigh.
Correctimundtisimo. That's a thing now, while we are inventing words. My quote about creating a thread is just that: me discussing a thread.
That was closed, because of course it was. So, yeah, that's discussing moderation.4 -
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✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »So, I recently made a thread discussing slavery in the Elder Scrolls Online. It is now closed. Why?
"This conversation is not producing constructive conversation and as many find it disturbing and inappropriate we will be closing the thread."
Now, I can understand the reasoning behind the first part. The problem is that the thread had not devolved into anything near petty name calling, so I find this strange. The second part is what truly bothers me. Slavery, as wrong as it is, is an integral part of the Elder Scrolls lore. It is a focal point in Morrowind's main questline. It is the primary reason for tension and distrust in the Pact (creating conflict, and thus plot). It is also a huge part of Dunmer and Ayleid lore and culture. Cultures having evil and cruel elements such as slavery add depth and moral conflict, which makes the world feel more alive.
Before you get on your high horse: Slavery is wrong. So is murder, torture, cannibalism, ritualistic sacrifice, discrimination, racism, thievery, and lying, which are all parts of the Elder Scrolls lore (and yes, even ESO) as well. Slavery is already in ESO (and it is featured in several quests), yet it is not allowed to be discussed on the forums? These are just a few thoughts, feel free to share your own.
Discussing slavery in ESO lore and asking for the PC ability to keep slaves are two different things, which you surely know by the way you couched this opening.
You refer to how the game currently has slavery as a part of it, however, to be clear and not misleading, the game currently has the impacts of slavery shown and referenced and aftermaths dealing with it, but so far in no way that i am aware of does it ever put the PC in the situation of owning a slave as a part of its quests or storyline.
So, no, what a thread about getting the pc ability to own slaves is not one about something already in the current game quests.
So, i have no problems with such a discussion being stopped and the game not including owning slaves as an option.
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »True on fallout but I've never paid anyone in Skyrim. It's all imaginary... Just like my argonian house lizard.
The companions in Skyrim fall into three categories.
Quest Related and Allies: Go do a thing, this guy is going with you. Serana's one example that occupies your follower slot. This also includes guild members that are willing to give you a hand. Again, not your slaves, but they're running around murdering things with you by choice.
Housecarls: These guys are, basically, civil servants. Their job is to protect the Thane, and yeah, it is apparently a paid position.
Mercenaries: You'll find them in bars all over the province. Usually you pay them 500 gold or some similarly trivial amount, and they'll follow you until you accidentally murder them. By
I'd pay an argonian 5500 crowns to stand around and hold my crap.
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✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, TESO is kinda toned down compared to previous games.
I remember how I joined House Hlaalu on my first playthrough of Morrowind and my handsome male dunmer was molested by some nasty Imperial...
You know...
Very true, but it is still rated M. Crassius was.... interesting, to say the least. I only ever joined House Telvanni, but I encountered him when I had to convince all the councilors to make me Hortator.
Yeah... And Hlaalu questline involves some weird things.
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corrosivechains✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »True on fallout but I've never paid anyone in Skyrim. It's all imaginary... Just like my argonian house lizard.
The companions in Skyrim fall into three categories.
Quest Related and Allies: Go do a thing, this guy is going with you. Serana's one example that occupies your follower slot. This also includes guild members that are willing to give you a hand. Again, not your slaves, but they're running around murdering things with you by choice.
Housecarls: These guys are, basically, civil servants. Their job is to protect the Thane, and yeah, it is apparently a paid position.
Mercenaries: You'll find them in bars all over the province. Usually you pay them 500 gold or some similarly trivial amount, and they'll follow you until you accidentally murder them. By
I'd pay an argonian 5500 crowns to stand around and hold my crap.
I'll totally roll an argonian to hold your crap and follow you around for 5500 crowns"Could you post me a link to the official MMO rule book please." - clayandaudrey_ESO12 -
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✭MythicEmperor wrote: »So, I recently made a thread discussing slavery in the Elder Scrolls Online. It is now closed. Why?
"This conversation is not producing constructive conversation and as many find it disturbing and inappropriate we will be closing the thread."
Now, I can understand the reasoning behind the first part. The problem is that the thread had not devolved into anything near petty name calling, so I find this strange. The second part is what truly bothers me. Slavery, as wrong as it is, is an integral part of the Elder Scrolls lore. It is a focal point in Morrowind's main questline. It is the primary reason for tension and distrust in the Pact (creating conflict, and thus plot). It is also a huge part of Dunmer and Ayleid lore and culture. Cultures having evil and cruel elements such as slavery add depth and moral conflict, which makes the world feel more alive.
Before you get on your high horse: Slavery is wrong. So is murder, torture, cannibalism, ritualistic sacrifice, discrimination, racism, thievery, and lying, which are all parts of the Elder Scrolls lore (and yes, even ESO) as well. Slavery is already in ESO (and it is featured in several quests), yet it is not allowed to be discussed on the forums? These are just a few thoughts, feel free to share your own.
Discussing slavery in ESO lore and asking for the PC ability to keep slaves are two different things, which you surely know by the way you couched this opening.
You refer to how the game currently has slavery as a part of it, however, to be clear and not misleading, the game currently has the impacts of slavery shown and referenced and aftermaths dealing with it, but so far in no way that i am aware of does it ever put the PC in the situation of owning a slave as a part of its quests or storyline.
So, no, what a thread about getting the pc ability to own slaves is not one about something already in the current game quests.
So, i have no problems with such a discussion being stopped and the game not including owning slaves as an option.
YMMV
Hmm, if it came across like that, it was purely unintentional. I meant the previous thread more as a cool idea, which is backed by lore, but it seems that I turned 99% of the playerbase against me. Oh well. Anyways, I see no issue with the ability to purchase a slave in game, because, as has been stated many, many times, this is a major part of the main questline in Morrowind. I understand that some are shocked because they have never played that game, much less understand the impact of slavery on Dunmeri culture, but it still stands. There is something else I wish was changed that you brought up. In several parts of the Pact main quest, my Dunmer, being the evil, egotistical, and corrupt Telvanni he is, is saddened by the lack of pro-slavery dialogue. Instead, he is forced to ask how the Dres can stomach slavery. Anyways, that is just a side point.With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
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✭✭✭✭✭okay, feck...I can't believe I missed the whole inb4 "thing"...
I will say this - whenever someone asks about having kids in tamriel, I think of this kinda stuff...
the dogs, monkeys, cats and birds are just fortunate there's no way we can abuse them...
it's funny, I'm starting to recognize and recall the different user id's on the forums with different tones and "messages"...I always remember @starkerealm that you helped me get my poop together with my werewolf a few months ago
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