Apparently, TES lore is "disturbing" and "inappropriate"

Gilvoth · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

FluffyReachWitch wrote: »

For once I wish we had an "lol" button.

That thread was not a discussion of lore.

That thread was you arguing that the player character should be allowed to have slaves. Many people found that disturbing.

A large percentage of Morrowind-based RP guilds have a slavery system in place. BAN EM ALL! Right? Wrong. I find it disturbing that some people wish to silence the lore. No wonder so many people exclude this game from their headcanons. The game has strayed from the lore in so many ways, and I find it disturbing that people wish to further remove it from the single player games.

and that is the truth. you right but ...

MythicEmperor · January 2017

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

starkerealm · January 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if you look at youtubes new rules and regulations ? that is just a small taste of what our society has become.

So, this is a little off topic, but... yeah, no. YouTube's "new" rules and regulations? Yeah, that's not that different from TV's Standards and Practices. It turns out, most advertisers don't want to associate with someone who's just screaming profanity at the screen. Those aren't new rules, just stuff you already had to deal with from advertisers if you were working in TV before.

AlwaysOnFire · January 2017

You're boring and whiny, MythicEmperor. I don't think anybody here is saying that there should be no depictions of slavery in The Elder Scrolls. What I think (in interpretation) was said to you amounts to that we need our depictions of slavery to be a useful comment on slavery, what it means to people and the descendants of enslaved people.

Like it or not, the original Elder Scrolls lore was written mostly by people who did not have significant ancestors who experienced slavery (don't give me that 'everybody has been enslaved' crap. Some people's ancestors have been enslaved within the past 200 years) or cultural knowledge of slavery other than that it was a tragedy that happened to other people. And so, it stands to reason that an effective comment or sufficient perspective on slavery was missing from prior games. Yes, even Morrowind. Doesn't matter if it's a good game. Still was written mostly if not totally by white people for whom the orientialist trappings of much of the art are just "exotic flavor" and the themes of slavery and cultural trauma are "interesting," "angsty," and "for intrigue." Rather than having even a shred of intellectual commentary on them whatsoever. Beyond, you know, that slavery and oppression are bad and hurt people I guess. And even then you could choose to play a character for whom that's not even a problem and the whole topic would fly fifty feet over their head.

Button up, buttercup. You just can't handle being called gross for wanting slaves. That's your entire deal and you'd rather whine than realize that you maybe don't have the greatest grasp on a topic that's faraway and abstract to you, rather than something that requires actual finesse to handle. Rather than your meaty pawing suggestions to do the least sensitive thing whatsoever: allow characters to become a slaver, but not a liberator of slaves. There's a reason why the game allows you to give to the poor as well as kill them, you great tweedbeetle.

Tryxus · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

MythicEmperor · January 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we should let bethesda and zenimax take the lead on this and put it in thier hands friends.
this is more complex and legal issues in this then we know about.
i would hate to see Elderscrolls both single player and this mmo be deleted due to legal issues and lawsuits.

lets let zenimax and bethesda lead us the way we should go.
it is for the best.

.... what?

You need to have your sarcasm detector checked.

in no way shape or form was i being sarcastic.
my statement is with pure honesty.

if you look at our society today, it is much different then it was back in the time of morrowinds day and creation.

today, people are greatly offended by things much less then what is found in TES Lore.

We should not have to cater to children and triggered SJWs. The Elder Scrolls lore is amazing and unique, filled with depth and moral angst. It should not be diluted to the point of being unrecognizable. Evil and conflict are what turn the wheels of plot. Slavery is a gear in the lore, and removing it renders the clock(work city) broken. Also, how is the time of Morrowind's creation much different from today? As hard as it may be to believe, people then understood that slavery is evil and barbaric. Sometimes barbarism is needed in a fictional and relatively primitive world.

oh, i agree with you 100% friend but, its not the case with society at present.

if you look at youtubes new rules and regulations ? that is just a small taste of what our society has become.
right now they will not monitise videos that include swearing or anything that mentions murder.
that includes video game reviews.

now those rules are not yet being enforced, but those rules none the yet are infact now inplace as of 1/1/2017

Ah, I see what you are saying. I take issue with this grand sensitivity and coddling, so I feel that it is necessary to try to prevent it in whatever way possible.

Bouldercleave · January 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

Yes, My SINCERE apologies. I mistook the wrong thread. I still don't agree, but I'm 100% wrong and I apologize for the error.

starkerealm · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.

starkerealm · January 2017

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

Yes, My SINCERE apologies. I mistook the wrong thread. I still don't agree, but I'm 100% wrong and I apologize for the error.

Well, more like 45% wrong, really. Don't sell yourself short.

Sigtric · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

FluffyReachWitch wrote: »

For once I wish we had an "lol" button.

That thread was not a discussion of lore.

That thread was you arguing that the player character should be allowed to have slaves. Many people found that disturbing.

A large percentage of Morrowind-based RP guilds have a slavery system in place. BAN EM ALL! Right? Wrong. I find it disturbing that some people wish to silence the lore. No wonder so many people exclude this game from their headcanons. The game has strayed from the lore in so many ways, and I find it disturbing that people wish to further remove it from the single player games.

You know, if you have two consenting RPers, who want to do a Master/Slave thing... that's their choice. It's weird, messed up, but they're participating together, so it's clearly a mutual decision. That wasn't what you were asking for, though.

So it's fine if two RPers consent but because an NPC can't... ? Heh

MythicEmperor · January 2017

AlwaysOnFire wrote: »

You're boring and whiny, MythicEmperor. I don't think anybody here is saying that there should be no depictions of slavery in The Elder Scrolls. What I think (in interpretation) was said to you amounts to that we need our depictions of slavery to be a useful comment on slavery, what it means to people and the descendants of enslaved people.

Like it or not, the original Elder Scrolls lore was written by people who did not have significant ancestors or cultural knowledge of slavery other than that it was a tragedy that happened to other people. And so, it stands to reason that a sufficient comment, perspective, and critical commentary on slavery was missing from prior games. Yes, even Morrowind. Doesn't matter if it's a good game. Still was written mostly if not totally by white people for whom the orientialist trappings of much of the art are just "exotic flavor" and the themes of slavery and cultural trauma are "interesting," "angsty," and "for intrigue." Rather than having even a shred of intellectual commentary on them whatsoever. Beyond, you know, that slavery and oppression are bad and hurt people I guess. And even then you could choose to play a character for whom that's not even a problem and the whole topic would fly fifty feet over their head.

Button up, buttercup. You just can't handle being called gross for wanting slaves. That's your entire deal and you'd rather whine than realize that you maybe don't have the greatest grasp on a topic that's faraway and abstract to you, rather than something that requires actual finesse to handle. Rather than your meaty pawing suggestions to do the least sensitive thing whatsoever: allow characters to become a slaver, but not a liberator of slaves. There's a reason why the game allows you to give to the poor as well as kill them, you great tweedbeetle.

Tweedbeetle. I like it.
Anyways, I don't see what Morrowind being developed by white people has to do with anything. I am white, and I am sure that 10,000 years ago my primal ancestor was enslaved by another person's primal ancestor. I don't cry about it. Slavery, at least in the west, is something of the past. The Elder Scrolls is obviously not meant to be in a modern setting, where we would recognize slavery as evil and sadistic, therefore it is not out of character.

Vrienda · January 2017

I'd just like to point out that there's a quest in Bethesda's nuka world DLC for Fallout 4 that has the player capture slaves and bring them back to the raider infested park.

If the creators of elder scrolls will do it I'm sure ZOS can too.

MythicEmperor · January 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so

MythicEmperor · January 2017

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

Yes, My SINCERE apologies. I mistook the wrong thread. I still don't agree, but I'm 100% wrong and I apologize for the error.

Thank you for being reasonable and mature. At least we can agree to disagree.

starkerealm · January 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

FluffyReachWitch wrote: »

For once I wish we had an "lol" button.

That thread was not a discussion of lore.

That thread was you arguing that the player character should be allowed to have slaves. Many people found that disturbing.

A large percentage of Morrowind-based RP guilds have a slavery system in place. BAN EM ALL! Right? Wrong. I find it disturbing that some people wish to silence the lore. No wonder so many people exclude this game from their headcanons. The game has strayed from the lore in so many ways, and I find it disturbing that people wish to further remove it from the single player games.

You know, if you have two consenting RPers, who want to do a Master/Slave thing... that's their choice. It's weird, messed up, but they're participating together, so it's clearly a mutual decision. That wasn't what you were asking for, though.

So it's fine if two RPers consent but because an NPC can't... ? Heh

Whatever two people are getting up to in tells... I don't want to know. Unless someone's feeling aggrieved, I really don't care. It's their choice, note the plurality there. I'm not going to get into a qualitative assessment, because I've seen how terrible some RPers are, but, no matter how you cut it, it's not actual slavery.

Sticking a collar on an NPC and dragging them around, while stuffing random crap down their pockets, because you want to live the life of a slaver... that's all kinds of messed up.

MythicEmperor · January 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

FluffyReachWitch wrote: »

For once I wish we had an "lol" button.

That thread was not a discussion of lore.

That thread was you arguing that the player character should be allowed to have slaves. Many people found that disturbing.

A large percentage of Morrowind-based RP guilds have a slavery system in place. BAN EM ALL! Right? Wrong. I find it disturbing that some people wish to silence the lore. No wonder so many people exclude this game from their headcanons. The game has strayed from the lore in so many ways, and I find it disturbing that people wish to further remove it from the single player games.

You know, if you have two consenting RPers, who want to do a Master/Slave thing... that's their choice. It's weird, messed up, but they're participating together, so it's clearly a mutual decision. That wasn't what you were asking for, though.

So it's fine if two RPers consent but because an NPC can't... ? Heh

#NPCLivesMatter

AlwaysOnFire · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Tweedbeetle. I like it.
Anyways, I don't see what Morrowind being developed by white people has to do with anything. I am white, and I am sure that 10,000 years ago my primal ancestor was enslaved by another person's primal ancestor. I don't cry about it. Slavery, at least in the west, is something of the past. The Elder Scrolls is obviously not meant to be in a modern setting, where we would recognize slavery as evil and sadistic, therefore it is not out of character.

You don't cry about a theoretical thing that may or may not have happened to an unknown ancestor 10,000 years ago. What a hero.

Someone give this guy the White Tears Chalice of Bravery award.

Aeladiir · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

So, I recently made a thread discussing slavery in the Elder Scrolls Online. It is now closed. Why?
"This conversation is not producing constructive conversation and as many find it disturbing and inappropriate we will be closing the thread."
Now, I can understand the reasoning behind the first part. The problem is that the thread had not devolved into anything near petty name calling, so I find this strange. The second part is what truly bothers me. Slavery, as wrong as it is, is an integral part of the Elder Scrolls lore. It is a focal point in Morrowind's main questline. It is the primary reason for tension and distrust in the Pact (creating conflict, and thus plot). It is also a huge part of Dunmer and Ayleid lore and culture. Cultures having evil and cruel elements such as slavery add depth and moral conflict, which makes the world feel more alive.

Before you get on your high horse: Slavery is wrong. So is murder, torture, cannibalism, ritualistic sacrifice, discrimination, racism, thievery, and lying, which are all parts of the Elder Scrolls lore (and yes, even ESO) as well. Slavery is already in ESO (and it is featured in several quests), yet it is not allowed to be discussed on the forums? These are just a few thoughts, feel free to share your own.

Checked out the thread and saw nothing wrong. In fact, the way some people reacted seemed pretty out of place. That being said, the people were - as most SJWs do - mostly focusing on the WORDS you said and not the CONTEXT, in which those WORDS were said. The topic could serve as an interesting debate about a possible in-game mechanic and about the state of slavery in the era in which ESO is set in. While I honestly doubt anything like that would be implemented - ever -, I still think it's not so controversial that the topic should be closed.

Oh, look at the bright side, though: technically, Crown Store merchant & banker are slaves.

starkerealm · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so

Well, then, your Dunmer can deal with that problem on their own. They've currently sworn fealty to a political and military alliance that has outlawed the practice.

MythicEmperor · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.

Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.

starkerealm · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

FluffyReachWitch wrote: »

For once I wish we had an "lol" button.

That thread was not a discussion of lore.

That thread was you arguing that the player character should be allowed to have slaves. Many people found that disturbing.

A large percentage of Morrowind-based RP guilds have a slavery system in place. BAN EM ALL! Right? Wrong. I find it disturbing that some people wish to silence the lore. No wonder so many people exclude this game from their headcanons. The game has strayed from the lore in so many ways, and I find it disturbing that people wish to further remove it from the single player games.

You know, if you have two consenting RPers, who want to do a Master/Slave thing... that's their choice. It's weird, messed up, but they're participating together, so it's clearly a mutual decision. That wasn't what you were asking for, though.

So it's fine if two RPers consent but because an NPC can't... ? Heh

#NPCLivesMatter

Or, you know, just disgusting behavior.

starkerealm · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.

Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.

Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.

MythicEmperor · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so

Well, then, your Dunmer can deal with that problem on their own. They've currently sworn fealty to a political and military alliance that has outlawed the practice.

Actually, my Dunmer is of House Telvanni, which never joined the Pact. Even if he wasn't, only Pact races are illegal to own as slaves.

starkerealm · January 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so

Well, then, your Dunmer can deal with that problem on their own. They've currently sworn fealty to a political and military alliance that has outlawed the practice.

Actually, my Dunmer is of House Telvanni, which never joined the Pact. Even if he wasn't, only Pact races are illegal to own as slaves.

Might want to double check that. When you're on the character select screen, or look at his character screen, which icon is on his sheet?

corrosivechains · January 2017

Fun Fact:

There were indeed Irish Slaves in the U.S. at least into the late 1600's

http://glc.yale.edu/master-samuel-symonds-against-irish-slaves

MythicEmperor · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.

Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.

Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.

Let us not forget what goes on in the lowest level of the Ebony Flask.

Dhukath · January 2017

Weren't some of the comments in the other thread suggesting that players should be able to enslave other players they defeat in PVP?

Vrienda · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

Pretty sure it has been mentioned a few times. I can't remember a mention since Morrowind, however.

Well, it has been hinted at in Daggerfall, as @Tryxus pointed out. I completely forgot about that.

Pretty sure it was heavily hinted at in a few places on Vvardenfell. Including the use of slaves as prostitutes. It was explicitly mentioned in Daggerfall.

Not just hinted at. In one quest you buy and sell a slave to a dunmer who is using said slave to smuggle drugs. When you bring her to him he slits open her belly to get to the skooma. And you also give a slave as a gift to an Ashlander chieftain.

AlwaysOnFire · January 2017

like i don't know what your problem is. You can still enjoy the wonders of slavery in Stonefalls, where it's still legal to enslave political prisoners like the Khajiit. Oh, it's just pretty outwardly framed as cruel and wrong and an injustice the Dunmer still perpetuate, because that's the story that is being told here, instead of your creepy power fantasy where you'd love to own slaves and you think that Bethesda or Zenimax should support or endorse your icky dreams by devoting money to developing a system to accommodate it just for you. Gross.

What people roleplay in their spare time can be as screwed up as they please-- they aren't doing it for money, aren't using the money of subscribers to develop it, and aren't endorsing that content by subjecting everybody to the possibility of participating.

MythicEmperor · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I can't really believe that you are trying to bring lore into the picture at all.

The thread that got locked was your way of implementing actual slavery and prostitution into the game.

Lore has NOTHING to do with what you want. What you want is to be a predator.

What? I only mentioned slavery, never the latter. The latter has never been a part of the Elder Scrolls game. You do not perform that action as a part of the main questline in Morrowind. Slavery, on the other hand, is a part of the games.

I think he's got the wrong guy, there was some *** making a thread about adding Slavery & Prostitution to the game

WE'RE NOT IN THE DAGGERFALL ERA ANYMORE PPL!!!

Probably. Furthermore, I never condoned slavery in any sense, it is wrong and evil, but my Dunmer doesn't think so

Well, then, your Dunmer can deal with that problem on their own. They've currently sworn fealty to a political and military alliance that has outlawed the practice.

Actually, my Dunmer is of House Telvanni, which never joined the Pact. Even if he wasn't, only Pact races are illegal to own as slaves.

Might want to double check that. When you're on the character select screen, or look at his character screen, which icon is on his sheet?

It's called ESO pre-order Explorer's Pack