Apparently, TES lore is "disturbing" and "inappropriate"

Molydeus

starkerealm wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Question for me is, is slavery anymore disturbing than sneaking up behind a npc with the blade of woe, and sticking it through their skull?

Yeah. Missynced animations are kinda freaky, but slavery is an all to real evil.

Murdering innocent people is an "all too real evil" that occurs daily around the world, yet we engage in it freely in ESO. Your argument doesn't make sense.

AzuraKin

only the unenlightened are against slavery. all inferior beings must bow down to the superior race of dark elves. we will ensure you are clothed, fed, and warm enough to stay alive. we will breed you with women slaves to ensure you have a legacy. why do you bleet so against our hand? is life under a dark elf taskmaster so wrong that you prefer to be cold, wet and hungry? do you wish our cold steel and burning magicks destroying you and your children? repent and come back to the light of the tribunal and accept the yoke that has been deemed yours for being born an inferior being.

Cadbury

Now I understand why Bethesda made the decision to not include kids in ESO.

AzuraKin

Cadbury wrote: »

Now I understand why Bethesda made the decision to not include kids in ESO.

bah that thier worst mistake, i wanna play as the evil 2 year ol super genius that conquers the world.

Manpoints

Cadbury wrote: »

Now I understand why Bethesda made the decision to not include kids in ESO.

Eso has lots of kids, they are full grown though and its their feefees that got the game censored down to warm milk.

Cadbury

AzuraKin wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Now I understand why Bethesda made the decision to not include kids in ESO.

bah that thier worst mistake, i wanna play as the evil 2 year ol super genius that conquers the world.

So you want to RP the Baby Geniuses movie, huh?

NOW I'm disturbed...

MasterSpatula

Man, OP, great job of rousing my sympathy then very quickly losing it.

Cadbury

Manpoints wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Now I understand why Bethesda made the decision to not include kids in ESO.

Eso has lots of kids, they are full grown though and its their feefees that got the game censored down to warm milk.

So PvPers?

I kid I kid

Rosveen

starkerealm wrote: »

Or, you know, don't fantasize about being able to buy slaves, because that's all kinds of messed up.

No more messed up than people demanding elaborate killcams, often and loudly. I've always found this extremely disturbing: yes, "murder's the name of the game", but it doesn't necessarily include an obsession with graphic brutality. Yet it's usually considered perfectly normal and game developers cater to these requests.

I don't think anyone here wants to own slaves in real life. What they want is to roleplay engaging in an important aspect of the world they play in. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's an RPG, we should be allowed to explore the less heroic and even downright horrid sides of the lore. It's not even anything new - as mentioned earlier, previous Bethesda games allowed us to get involved in slavery and cannibalism, among other things. Fallout New Vegas, developed by Obsidian but published by Bethesda, allowed us to side with the leader of a slave army who considers women sub-human and uses crucifixion as a punishment. Now that's messed up. I could never bring myself to side with him. But you know what? I think the fact that I can makes New Vegas a better game.

Personally I don't care one way or another, but I believe it would be possible to implement slavery in ESO in a way that is not overly disturbing (beyond the fact that it exists at all) and is not actively encouraged. It could even be paired with quests allowing us to abolish slave rings - I'm sure there are still some remaining in the Pact despite it being outlawed, and Vvardenfell is a different thing altogether. Be the good guy if you want.

anitajoneb17_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

actually slavery is not inherently wrong.

What the snot did I just read?

You read the very exact type of arguments that this sort of thread can derail into, which is why the other thread was closed and this one will be closed, too.

Vrienda

Having a Twin Lamps-style anti slavery organisation trying to raid my plantation would be interesting. I'd be happy for there to be consequences to owning slaves.

starkerealm

Browiseth wrote: »

it's a thing that happens in the world sometimes, it's not some important event that changes the face of tamriel or anything. it's just a part of one ingame race's culture

Probably worth remembering that Alessia lead a slave revolt, overthrowing the Alyieds, and bringing about the first Cyrodiilic Empire. So, in that sense, yes, Slavery did change the face of Tamriel, and lead to the ascension of men (as opposed to mer) as a political and military force on par with, and in some cases, superior to, the elves.

So... there is that. Otherwise, yeah, I agree with what you're saying.

starkerealm

AzuraKin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That is probably why slavery is more offensive then murder to some .

Also, murder is, kinda, the name of the game. From the moment we roll up a new character, our default interaction with the world is finding new and interesting people, killing them, and taking their stuff. Slavery on the other hand is not a part of that core loop. We're not beating on people, sticking them in a cage, taking their stuff, and breaking their free will so we can sell them at a profit. That degree of sadism just isn't fun, or palatable, for most players.

Also, whether you agree with it or not, because of idiosyncrasies about how we view the world, slavery is on a different tier of offensiveness than simply killing someone. It's not because there's an easily articulable metric that puts it in a different class, it's simply a function of how our socialization has prepared us to view the world. Complain about it if you want, but slavery is a fate worse than death, and viewed accordingly by a lot of people.

what are you talking about? have you done the quests? running around meet up with a girl hiding. help me she cries, i am a runaway slave my dark elf master is pursuing me. you walk her down to her boat to find her master there. there the poor bewildered girl wonders why her dark elf "supposed rescuer" would return a inferior being to her dark elf master.

Wait, what quest? I don't remember ever running across this at all.

Woeler

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Real_Barenziah,_Part_III

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Enjoy, lore at its finest.

Spottswoode

Cadbury wrote: »

Now I understand why Bethesda made the decision to not include kids in ESO.

Fun fact: In the original Fallout games, you could kill children and eat them. While Bethesda did make children invincible in Fallout 3, they did not remove the extreme depictions of violence, cannibalism, slavery, murder, and in some cases, genocide when they bought the series. Methinks violence toward tykes gets a little too much attention all things considered. I'm not saying child murder isn't a sore spot but with the overall level of pure evil we get to commit in the ES series and Fallout series pretty much anyone shouldn't be offended by a medieval-esque society selling slaves at this point if they've been fans of the series for a while.

ZOS_Ragnar

While there is a basis for slavery from a lore perspective most people believe that slavery is morally wrong and the idea of introducing something like that into the game is disturbing to them. We can understand your desire to discuss this topic however, because it is hard for people to draw a distinction between real world slavery and slavery in a game we have decided to close this thread. If you have any questions about this or any decisions made by our moderators feel free to reach out to them directly using the private message system.