ZOS, thank you for the MASSIVE BUFFS to mageblade (I'm dead serious)

Ishammael · January 2017

thankyourat wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Also, I don't know where this mdks are gods at dueling came from, but I don't agree. I don't think mdks are very good at dueling at all.

Its a stupid misconception.

It really isn't. Magdk is probably the best dueling class in the game. They just have too much crowd control and battle roar will pretty much give them a new fight every time they cast a ultimate. Plus all the dots they stack on you really start to add up and cost you resources to relieve the pressure. Magdk is definitely top tier in dueling, dks in general are top tier

Make your "dueling" mDK and go fight Kena or Leif. Guarantee you won't win.

thankyourat · January 2017

Ishammael wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Also, I don't know where this mdks are gods at dueling came from, but I don't agree. I don't think mdks are very good at dueling at all.

Its a stupid misconception.

It really isn't. Magdk is probably the best dueling class in the game. They just have too much crowd control and battle roar will pretty much give them a new fight every time they cast a ultimate. Plus all the dots they stack on you really start to add up and cost you resources to relieve the pressure. Magdk is definitely top tier in dueling, dks in general are top tier

Make your "dueling" mDK and go fight Kena or Leif. Guarantee you won't win.

Can't duel Kena he's on PC. I seen some of his videos though it seems like it would be fun I always like to fight good magblades it's always a challenging fight that helps both players get better. As for guaranteeing I won't win that's a pretty bold statement how would you know if I could win or not especially since If I'm playing magdk I'm playing a magblade counter class somewhat, so I have an advantage lol. If you can win that doesn't mean no one can win. That statement you made was very "pugish". Maybe the reason Kena is beating magicka dks is because he is better than them. Playing a certain class will not make up for a huge lack of skill in a 1v1

bubbygink · January 2017

Magicka DK has always seemed like one of the best, if not the best, dueling classes to me. Granted that could be because I play a ranged magblade so it is quite a tough match up for me with wings. But a magicka DK's CC capabilities combined with its pressure from DoTs and sets like skoria/grothdarr make them very tough in my opinion.

To get this back to the point of the thread, I am considering trying out crushing shock in place of funnel health next patch in part due it being unreflectable now. @NightbladeMechanics @thankyourat or anyone else think crushing shock may be viable over funnel for magblades next update? Or is the still substantially lower cost and HoT of funnel just too good to give up in your opinions?

Edit: I also think crushing shock has some interesting synergies with some mechanics due to it being 3 hits, e.g. Red Mountain.

NightbladeMechanics · January 2017

bubbygink wrote: »

Magicka DK has always seemed like one of the best, if not the best, dueling classes to me. Granted that could be because I play a ranged magblade so it is quite a tough match up for me with wings. But a magicka DK's CC capabilities combined with its pressure from DoTs and sets like skoria/grothdarr make them very tough in my opinion.

To get this back to the point of the thread, I am considering trying out crushing shock in place of funnel health next patch in part due it being unreflectable now. @NightbladeMechanics @thankyourat or anyone else think crushing shock may be viable over funnel for magblades next update? Or is the still substantially lower cost and HoT of funnel just too good to give up in your opinions?

Edit: I also think crushing shock has some interesting synergies with some mechanics due to it being 3 hits, e.g. Red Mountain.

In my opinion, if you're in light armor using shields, then Crushing Shock is a strong contender, if not stronger outright than Strife. I haven't been able to test, so I don't know. In light armor with shields, heals over time don't exactly do much for you. Strife will still 100% be stronger for heavy armor mageblade because heavy armor increases the effective health returned by those hots.

NightbladeMechanics · January 2017

bubbygink wrote: »

Edit: I also think crushing shock has some interesting synergies with some mechanics due to it being 3 hits, e.g. Red Mountain.

L33t op hybrid procblade incoming?

I'd honestly love to see this work.

bubbygink · January 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

L33t op hybrid procblade incoming?

I'd honestly love to see this work.

@NightbladeMechanics I have been wanting to try something involving crushing shock/flame reach/WoE (if it procs it?)/etc. + 5 red mountain for a while. Inspired from another player on xbox who has run RM on a magblade. Been thinking about something interesting to pair it with. Actually thought about using 5 piece torug's + infused destro staff with a flame damage glyph. Numbers would be low but seems like insane pressure (especially against vamps) from red mountain and flame damage glyph each proccing about every other weave. Light attack + crushing shock would be 40% chance alone for each weave to proc RM and cooldown on flame damage glyph would be less than 2 seconds (and it would 50% stronger). I would have to miss out on skoria with this setup though, may be better to just go with it. But I have also been wanting to try out the torug's + infused + flame damage glyph synergy for a while too lol

thankyourat · January 2017

bubbygink wrote: »

Magicka DK has always seemed like one of the best, if not the best, dueling classes to me. Granted that could be because I play a ranged magblade so it is quite a tough match up for me with wings. But a magicka DK's CC capabilities combined with its pressure from DoTs and sets like skoria/grothdarr make them very tough in my opinion.

To get this back to the point of the thread, I am considering trying out crushing shock in place of funnel health next patch in part due it being unreflectable now. @NightbladeMechanics @thankyourat or anyone else think crushing shock may be viable over funnel for magblades next update? Or is the still substantially lower cost and HoT of funnel just too good to give up in your opinions?

Edit: I also think crushing shock has some interesting synergies with some mechanics due to it being 3 hits, e.g. Red Mountain.

I was thinking about using crushing shock next patch because you need a destro ability to get the extra 8% damage from the passives, and I prefer fear over flame reach for open world, I was planning on testing it with a extra heal on the back bar because I use heavy armor with no damage shield just healing ward and would need to make up for the loss of the swallow soul hot. That red mountain build hits hard. The damage takes you by surprise, I came across a magblade in AD using this build it seems pretty solid

bubbygink · January 2017

thankyourat wrote: »

I was thinking about using crushing shock next patch because you need a destro ability to get the extra 8% damage from the passives, and I prefer fear over flame reach for open world, I was planning on testing it with a extra heal on the back bar because I use heavy armor with no damage shield just healing ward and would need to make up for the loss of the swallow soul hot. That red mountain build hits hard. The damage takes you by surprise, I came across a magblade in AD using this build it seems pretty solid

That is another good reason for slotting it that I hadn't really considered. I don't use any destro staff abilities now in open world so I will have to make room on my bar to put one of them on there for the 8%. I also wouldn't want to give up fear in my standard open world build and I feel like for open world magblades, path > WoE and sap > impulse. Also don't see a reason slot elemental drain because magblade has better options in its toolkit to sustain or inflict major breach. Leaves me with crushing as the only option really unless I want to give up a good skill on my bar.

In my opinion they should change it to "With a destruction staff equipped" instead of being "With a destruction staff skill slotted" (or whatever the exact phrasing is now).

Edit: Just realized I could run EotS. Suppose that would give me the bonus.

arkansas_ESO · January 2017

Ishammael wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Also, I don't know where this mdks are gods at dueling came from, but I don't agree. I don't think mdks are very good at dueling at all.

Its a stupid misconception.

It really isn't. Magdk is probably the best dueling class in the game. They just have too much crowd control and battle roar will pretty much give them a new fight every time they cast a ultimate. Plus all the dots they stack on you really start to add up and cost you resources to relieve the pressure. Magdk is definitely top tier in dueling, dks in general are top tier

Make your "dueling" mDK and go fight Kena or Leif. Guarantee you won't win.

I can't see why a mag DK would lose to an equally skilled mag NB. All the mag DK really has to do is keep wings up and the mag NB can't do much.

willlienellson · January 2017

thankyourat wrote: »

pretty bold statement

A lot of that going around.

NightbladeMechanics · January 2017

bubbygink wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

L33t op hybrid procblade incoming?

I'd honestly love to see this work.

@NightbladeMechanics I have been wanting to try something involving crushing shock/flame reach/WoE (if it procs it?)/etc. + 5 red mountain for a while. Inspired from another player on xbox who has run RM on a magblade. Been thinking about something interesting to pair it with. Actually thought about using 5 piece torug's + infused destro staff with a flame damage glyph. Numbers would be low but seems like insane pressure (especially against vamps) from red mountain and flame damage glyph each proccing about every other weave. Light attack + crushing shock would be 40% chance alone for each weave to proc RM and cooldown on flame damage glyph would be less than 2 seconds (and it would 50% stronger). I would have to miss out on skoria with this setup though, may be better to just go with it. But I have also been wanting to try out the torug's + infused + flame damage glyph synergy for a while too lol

I would think Pelinal's or Trainee or something else hybrid, since you'll be getting stam stats from RM and distribute CP between the two sides.

Jbugz97 · January 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Majic nightblade is good at two things , healing and escaping . CC and speed . Damage is abysmal compared to stamina side nightblade . These "buffs" to magic nightblade , cloak getting repaired ... Not a buff , a fix . Path , the least used ability in PVP good only for tagging targets , a minor speed buff and mostly only good healing with a transmutation set is hardly note worthy .

I've heard a lot of talk about how good op is at Majic nightblade but have never seen video or ran into them in PVP . I would like to see op in PVP or duels showing off said skill . To this day I can count on one hand the great PVP Magblades and the reason they are great has more to do with access to top line gear more then anything . A couple of them are great even with subpar sets but they all have one thing in common . They work their butts off to master rotations and struggle at fights after the element of surprise is over . They have to be great escape artists .

So how about it op ? In my years of playing it's the hardest class to manage so will you show off your skill ?

@NightbladeMechanics i dont think grim focus should be change the way others here want and many here have back you up the example that @LeifErikson gave was the first thing that came to my mind when i thought of how it would impact the change, keep grim the way it is.

i highlight the quote above because i laugh when i see comment like this on certain skills and people dont really know what this skills is used for, you explain it very well on your build video why you use the path (skill) which is greatly buff by heavy armor,

ever since i went heavy armor on my nightblade i will never take this skills off and now that its being buff.

i use path to activate my transmutation buff but it also procs a active skill on your shadow tree !!!!!!! check it out