Overall, I think the changes are nice.

Whip is good, obviously.

People can complain about stone fist, but remember all projectiles can be dodged. Double speed increases qol. The damage on stone giant is substantial and the heal on obsidian is large, just gotta hit it. Or take petrify, and have an unavoidable cc that breaks on damage.

I actually like major expo in chains. Closing the gap and being able to move around the opponent is useful. Only want it to be reliable.

Leap change is pretty big. Everyone knew it would be ferocious that would be changed to fire damage. Shields are biased towards magicka. It does good damage, higher tooltip than soul harvest, is aoe, and gives a large shield. Also, it's 125 ult. Of course it doesn't do as much damage as meteor or eots, but they are much more expensive. I'm not mad at that change either.

I don't like the new cdb, but it can have its uses. I would prefer something else.

Standard nerf is disappointing.

Wings still had its use. There aren't many projectiles that are slow enough to use them reactively, and it's been like this for a while. The force shock change makes sense. Its a beam and gives mag range characters some offense against the ability. I would like to see a root and snare cleanse on wings though.

Mdk has definitely improved with these changes. It's not the strongest, but you cannot deny that the class is being buffed (unless you really hate cdb and think minor vital is absolutely necessary to your build.)

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Just wanted to thank everyone for all the feedback in this thread. We have some updates/changes coming for the next PTS build that we’d like to share:

• Obsidian Shard – Doubled the speed of the projectile.
• Fiery Grip (and morphs) – This ability is no longer dodgeable. Also reduced the duration of the expedition buff by 2 seconds. (6s instead of 8s) Note: the damage portion of this ability can still be blocked.
• Dragon Leap (and morphs) – This ability is no longer dodgeable. (it is an AOE after all). In addition we fixed an issue where the CC immunity while leaping was not being added correctly – you are now immune to all forms of CC, including roots while leaping. Note – players can still out range this ability while the DK is in the air if the DK leaps from max range and the player immediately runs away.

As a note, we are still evaluating the changes to Coagulating Blood. We do hear your feedback on this ability and will continue to monitor it closely on PTS.

So when are we getting the buffs Wrobel talked about in the reddit ama? https://ds.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/welcome_to_the_one_tamriel_eso_ama/d7zerx0/

So far we've got a small buff to Whip, a nerf to standard, a strange new coagulating DB that's (imo) worse than what we had before and some PvP focused changes to a few skills. Is that all? Is this what we've been getting our hopes up over?

I'm not looking for much. I don't want a huge unbalancing DPS increase. I want quality of life changes.

Make the duration of our DOTs line up better.
Give us a reliable heal that doesn't require us to either be right in the face of our opponent or be completely out of health or magicka to be useful.
Fix chains too high/too low on flat ground.
Stop nerfing our skills again and again and again (wings, standard).

Many others in this thread have given some great suggestions.

I ask again. Is this it?

I did a few duels in LA. I was stuck with the template character and so I was highly limited on the sets I could choose. I noticed a few things right away.

• You pretty much have to go with a lit staff if you ever want to have a chance against a perma roller turn and burst. Everything else is going to be dodged and you will do no damage. You might be able to get away with it in a duel but open world you need to be prepared for everything.
• Wings no longer works against any portion of the lit heavy attack. It will not reflect the particle at the end.
• It is extremely difficult to rely on shields without a second shield to stack with annulment.
• The DK I was fighting had wings on and despite me being in a ranged build there was nothing the wings could reflect.
• Even with 27 cp in break free, block disabled, and regular use of molten armaments and earthen heart stam return I very quickly ran out of stam to break free with and had to use tripots pots.
• There is no reliable ranged root outside frost clench. IE no encase to give your shields a break, no mines to hide behind or cloak to reposition. There is nothing outside of hard CC to stall melee pressure on you.
• With no increased healing from heavy armor the defiles are brutal, I had to use healing ward and slow heal underneath.
• You have 1 shield, and you have to drop a lot of health for magicka to make that shield even close to viable. Since the shield is always going to pop and hit your health you can't lose impenetrable for infused.

I'm still working on it but it's really terrible and our class doesn't mesh with it at all. It meshes with Heavy Armor and Melee, so I don't know why they are nerfing HA for both magicka and stamina. mDK needs all the sustain it can get.

Also I had a lot of mitigation on my shield too.

• 6% rugged
• ~20% spell/physical - (80/70 Hardy/elemental defender with some points in specific defense like L/H attacks, and dots, and a small bit in bastion. )
• 5% buffer of the swift (4 pieces)
• ?15% light of cyrodiil (I have not tested to see if it works for shields on lit channel)

@Armitas
Try sword and board with LA. I used to despise light because I always tired a destro. I use s/b resto and play basically the same except i srop block when my shields are up, since block doesnt mitigate damage for shields.

Armitas wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

@Armitas
Try sword and board with LA. I used to despise light because I always tired a destro. I use s/b resto and play basically the same except i srop block when my shields are up, since block doesnt mitigate damage for shields.

I'll try that. I have an anceints grace s/b I have been planning to try on it. What are you using to keep your stam up. I know s/b will reduce the block cost but, I can't even handle the stam with block turned off. I normally use bloodthorn myself but it's not available on these templates, even amberplasm is missing (not that I have the fortitude to farm that on live). (not sure where I stand with tripots, I only got 2 duels in before I had to quit)

If im getting low I'll kite with mist form. I keep my shields up a lot so that lets me keep block down. I also use 3-4 pieces of sturdy with around 70ish in block cost reduction champ point.

About the wings, I have the felling that there is a CD that you can reflect maximum 4 projectiles in 4 seconds. I cast wings in big fights and I recast the skill in the next second or two and I am still hit by projectiles. Did anyone have such experience?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

This is all I have to say on the DK "improvements".

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

This is all I have to say on the DK "improvements".

Ok I'm noob so please correct me if I'm wrong,now db scales with magic? Ok that sounds good for a magicka DK because of the bigger pool right?.What about my stamina DK? I only have 10k magicka so the healing is practically non existent.Wtf is this man,am I wrong?

Changes I would like to see:

• Dragon Blood: scale from max. Magicka / Stamina
• Wings: increase Duration to 6 seconds (still 4 projectiles) but gain Major Evasion too. OR break free from roots and root immunity for 6 seconds (I think both would make it a too strong ability)
• FOO: should act as an execute on one morph and a heal on the other morph. Something like: Morph1: When you deal damage against an enemy which is under 25% health, deal an additional x% (or flat amount) damage. This procs only on direct damage (no proc on dots). // Morph2: When you fall below 25% health, you are healed for x% of your health (or flat value). This can occure once every 10 seconds (could be a damage shield instead of a heal).

CubanRay wrote: »

@MaxwellC GDB is completely useless as it is right now,maybe meh imo ,well at least they increased the AP so I guess is vigor or nothing,as a newish I am I thought this game is good when I started but the more you play the more you realize how broken it is.
I don't know why but I have the feeling that this patch is going to rip stamina builds.

The problem with GDB is also the stam bonus is the same one as stam pots, making the bonus pretty useless.

Well I got no choice right now because my DK is low level and Rally is a little far away,been playing with no healing at all,but the beginning is easy,yea probably leave unmorphed and wait for this patch to go live and start grinding for Vigor.
Question to the DK pros out there.
I see this class have a lot of mending,increases healing received right?
The question is that mending works on self or only when received be other players? I'm confused. Help?

Oh ok so you get it on yourself,I was confused because is says "received ".Thanks

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

CubanRay wrote: »

@MaxwellC GDB is completely useless as it is right now,maybe meh imo ,well at least they increased the AP so I guess is vigor or nothing,as a newish I am I thought this game is good when I started but the more you play the more you realize how broken it is.
I don't know why but I have the feeling that this patch is going to rip stamina builds.

The problem with GDB is also the stam bonus is the same one as stam pots, making the bonus pretty useless.

Unmorphed dragons blood is your best option, save the skill point.

Not playing a DK is your best option, save the time and effort.