PTS Patch Notes v2.7.2

Rataroto · January 2017

How about some changes to the entire stamina vs magicka?

From the end game trials perspective there is NO advantege on having a stamina character at all. Less buffs need casting, better sets for healers and offtanks to improve recovery, dps and survivability, every magicka person has acess to Harness Magicka, to protect themselves, they have the highest damaging ultimate in the game (Elemental Storm), they are getting extra buffs on staves too. On the other hand, stamina guys have nothing, they ahve lower dps, lower survivability (don't say bone shield, because it sucks and everyone knows it), not to say they all feel exactly the same!, rapid strikes meta's been here for far too long, orsinium is already 1 year and 3 months old, its time for balance changes come and allow for diferent build paths, vMA dagger and axe are pretty much mandatory for everyone, because they run a dot based build.

If magicka is to have such ultility and survivability with 100% of acess to their class kit (stamina toons have 3 class skills TOPS), at least make it so stamina is dealing more damage, i mean, somewhat of a 10%-20% more damage than magicka, so it comes down to high risk-high reward, instead of ultra risk-no reward.

Reguarding pvp, please, please, pleeeeeeeeease, just get rid of proc sets, taking the crits away won't do ANYTHING to it, you're just hurting pve even more. Give pve the turn of balance at least once. we all know stamina has a high burst, but if you FIX viper/tremor, and some heavy armor passives, pvp becomes skillfull again without hurting pve.

PVE NEEDS ATENTION, AND STAMINA USERS NEED LOVE, ORTHERWISE WE'RE ALL JUST BE RUNING WITH A DRESS AND A STICK SOON.

Pallio · January 2017

Appreciate the effort on Stamplar, hope that continues.

helediron · January 2017

Writs are dropping "Anniversary Jubilee Gift Box". Are these something for 2017-04-04?

nml · January 2017

Pangnirtung wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

is this a joke?

Still working on Macs? That is a joke.

Yes it is quite poor that Mac users are unable to provide feedback on any PTS versions as they crash on game launch.

Wreuntzylla · January 2017

A+ on adding comments. I rate it right up there with crafting bags and tel var alchemy ingredients!

ToRelax · January 2017

From what I was told and now see here, I am very positively surprised.
More communication with the playerbase, taking feedback seriously, giving us the reasons for most balance changes and making smaller tweaks instead of simply nerfing overperforming things into oblivion to be replaced by something new.
And although I can perfectly understand the frustration many players (including myself, actually) may still feel as the issues they are most passionate about still won't be addressed now, this change in policy is certainly most welcome.
In fact, I couldn't have hoped for anything more for the short time the update was available for testing now.
I only hope you will keep this policy up, so it can actually change this game's balance for the better.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

Lukums1 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

WTF IS THIS BULL &@%* ARE YOU ON CRACK!

Alchemy
Reduced the duration of Major Vitality from potions. The base duration is now 12.5 seconds, down from 47.5 seconds.

WTF is that!

I actually like that change. These were pretty OP. This brings them inline with other powerful potion buffs like Immovable, etc. Still great situationaly, but not something you can have 24/7.

This is crap, I"m gonna offload my potions so bloody fast it's not funny before they aint worth jack

@Lukums1
So you dont like the change for balance reasons or because you made a bunch of Potions. I can understand being upset about the later, but these potions are simply OP in their current state. It is a good change for the state of the game, but perhaps not your personal bank account. This is not a buff you should have access to 24/7. It's too strong.

If it makes you feel better, I am not particularly thrilled that I just spend over a million gold on Gear and Gold mats to setup my DK with Desert/black rose, on the promise that DKs were actually getting a meaningful buff. At least you werent lied too....

rustic_potato · January 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Can you please put a developers comment on why rearming trap was nerfed from 12% crit dmg to 10%, and the dmg by 30%?

that one seemed pretty straight forward.. it was doing too much for a single skill.. even magika users we getting around 1.5k dps out of trap..

Anti_Virus · January 2017

Great wrath change,( imo get rid of it)

But the Constitution change is a no no, especially since heavy armor has no cost reduction.

FLambda · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

UI
Addons
Effects that last longer than 30 seconds now follow the same rules as effects that last less than 30 seconds: they are only available to player-made addons if they are cast by the player or cast on the player.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Uh-oh... does this mean I can no longer use an add-on to monitor my vampirism level? Cause that would really suck....

Beardimus · January 2017

I think these patch notes are awesome with the Dev notes, really great to see things explained. LOVE to see more of.this.

Id love to hear the logic behind cutting the Ultimate pool in half, its a huge impact to a small number of niche Overload builds, that are quite invested in their builds. (Gold Kena / Elegance / Sharp weopons etc)

Also if you have the Destro in hand does the 8% apply when you switch to Overload or is the 8% solely on Destro skills?

Loving the push on Pets, for an Alt build, but why no targetting on Consoles? It really seems missing the more you push pets

dotme · January 2017

Kas wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH

Alliance War
General
Increased the base amount of AP for capturing resources to 1,500 AP.

Increased the base amount of AP for capturing a keep to 6,000 AP.

Increased the base amount of AP for capturing a town to 1,500 AP.

Increased the base amount of AP for capturing an Imperial City District to 1,500 AP.

this doesn't work. while this is a nice idea and absolutely in balance for normal gameplay, it is extremely exploitable.

grab two groups of opposing faction that are large enough to quickly flip flags.
take turns turning a resource
if you have a map for yourself, you could even do that with keeps.
flipping every 30sec should be reasonnable and that'd be ~180k AP/h which is VERY decent (actually great) even for the most successful groups if maintained over a long time. If you do that at night on a rather empty campaign, it's easily sustainable for the whole night....

Well, if it's a concern, this could be addressed fairly easily I would think - perhaps by tying the capture AP reward amount to the keep or resource "level" - For example, a Level 5 keep could be worth more than a Level 1 keep. The longer it sits, the more it's worth when it's flipped, maxing out after 30 mins.

I do like that the main campaign objectives (which benefit the whole faction) seem to be getting more love from ZOS. All the farming that's been going on lately is not great for the PVP aspect of game IMHO.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2017

I read the first 6 pages so please excuse me if this has been addressed. The changes to Cyrodiil AP have the potential to either be the greatest thing imaginable or terribly exploitable depending on how they are implemented.

As someone who frequently solos resources and only gets 25 AP for it, getting 1500 AP is a boon for players like myself. My worry is that if there is not a cooldown of, say, 30 minutes on a single resource (or possibly longer) then there WILL be cross faction guilds exploiting this. Ideally what we should avoid is a case where one group can flip it and then advance on and the next group do the same right after to get max AP. If this is possible some resources will be a conga line of AP farming. If one person can only get AP from a single resource every 30 minutes this would be avoidable.

As for the solo player, which I'm thinking was the reason for this addition, it should work great. Even in ideal circumstances we're still looking at at least 10 minutes to flip all 3 resources.

Anyway, as long as there is a cooldown on a single resource I think this is a GREAT change for solo players who want to actively help their alliance by flipping resources.

Lukums1 · January 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

WTF IS THIS BULL &@%* ARE YOU ON CRACK!

Alchemy
Reduced the duration of Major Vitality from potions. The base duration is now 12.5 seconds, down from 47.5 seconds.

WTF is that!

I actually like that change. These were pretty OP. This brings them inline with other powerful potion buffs like Immovable, etc. Still great situationaly, but not something you can have 24/7.

This is crap, I"m gonna offload my potions so bloody fast it's not funny before they aint worth jack

@Lukums1
So you dont like the change for balance reasons or because you made a bunch of Potions. I can understand being upset about the later, but these potions are simply OP in their current state. It is a good change for the state of the game, but perhaps not your personal bank account. This is not a buff you should have access to 24/7. It's too strong.

If it makes you feel better, I am not particularly thrilled that I just spend over a million gold on Gear and Gold mats to setup my DK with Desert/black rose, on the promise that DKs were actually getting a meaningful buff. At least you werent lied too....

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

To be fair, I only made a few LOL. Sometimes I just like complaining for the sake of complaining if you get my meaning.
I liked the "idea" of these potions as they are currently OP I don't it was ever intended to be so insanely OP however I don't like when they changed things with no reasoning behind changes, that's just not cool man...

It's only effecting tanks heavily... who cares... lol

ArgoCye · January 2017

I like the increases to the AP you get for capturing resources and keeps etc. Makes it feel more worthwhile. Good change ZoS, keep them coming, goodness knows Cyrodiil needs them.

Neowit · January 2017

A lot of great changes here! Thank you for jumping on Incap Strike and Tremorscale!

But:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Exploration & Itemization
[*]Armor of the Trainee: Reduced the Max Magicka, Stamina, and Health granted by this item set to 1250 from 2500.

IMO, this set needs a nerf about as much as tristat enchants do. You get more resources, but there's the drawback of of being spread out of the B&B resource and into the supplementary resource. The health bonus may have deserved to be cut in half, but the resource gain nerf will really hurt MagDKs. MagDK already feels very limited in the choices it has for pvp gear, and this change feels like the closing of another option.

Then the nerf to Vitality potions will hit Stamblades more heavily than anything else. Survivability is already tough, and this nerf will force us to lean way more heavily on cloak (which I currently don't slot because Vitality pots put us on par with the other classes healing potentials). The nerf also feels a little more difficult to swallow when Malubeth is still proc'ing constantly, and healing for way more than vitality/sustained health potions do.

miahus · January 2017

"Fixed an issue where abilities that remove and grant immunity to snares and roots (Shuffle, Forward Momentum, Rapid Maneuvers, etc.) were only working against snares but not working against roots."

Mist form is currently only working against roots but not working against snares, is it going to be fixed?

CadaCosa · January 2017

Hello Development team,

Please roll back this change, this is simply not needed. Please do not change the Trainee Armor 5 piece bonus in anyway. Needs to stay at 2500. Too many players (not myself) have invested in this set and spent large amounts of gold and time getting this set.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Exploration & Itemization
[*]Armor of the Trainee: Reduced the Max Magicka, Stamina, and Health granted by this item set to 1250 from 2500.

Thank you,
@CadaCosa

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · January 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert Also yeah uh the death stroke (incapacitating strike) needs to be at a minimum 100 for ultimate cost not 70. There still hasn't been a change in the fact that the 20% extra damage when using it also applies to proc sets not just nightblade abilities. If possible make it only apply to nightblade abilities and I'll be fine with the 70 cost for now at-least. You can just say well ok viper sting and selene or veli gets 20% extra damage if they so happen to proc during the 6 second buff duration.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

There was no need for Training Armor nerf! It helps a lot in PVE tanking!

Incapstating strike is still OP, should have been nerf!

It's a single target attack on a class with little to no AoE where AoE is king 70 is too much. It's blockable and can be dodged now it's more expensive it hits one guy and can be countered with a block. Even if you take the hit blocking still saves you.

rfennell_ESO · January 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[/list]
Developer Comments
Changed as part of our overall Area of Effect consistency pass as described earlier.

Weapon
Bow
Hawk Eye: Increased the duration of the buff granted by this passive to 5 seconds from 4 seconds.

Just pointing out how you might have missed the "area of effect consistency pass" on Bombard/Acid spray!

I mean if we're going that route and handing out free undodgeables to classes... might as well give people a weapon option that fits.

potirondb16_ESO · January 2017

Isn't magicka build are going to struggle with the diminution of sustain skill... shouldn't siphon spirit cast time be reduce to make the skill any usefull...

Will the increase heavy Attack cast time won't be an issue for sustain as well ?

MrGorv · January 2017

Strange that you've nerfed Tremorscale, while leaving all the other proc sets to be, but, anyway, the patch is a nice one. Good job, ZOS. No sarcasm this time.

Delta_Dragon_7 · January 2017

I am very happy with the changes. These are pretty beneficial to my Templar!!!

The_Saint · January 2017

FLambda wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

UI
Addons
Effects that last longer than 30 seconds now follow the same rules as effects that last less than 30 seconds: they are only available to player-made addons if they are cast by the player or cast on the player.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Uh-oh... does this mean I can no longer use an add-on to monitor my vampirism level? Cause that would really suck....

@FLambda
no. you can monitor your vampirism level like before. also your mundus
You "just" will not see these informations at other players anymore

Dymence · January 2017

CadaCosa wrote: »

Hello Development team,

Please roll back this change, this is simply not needed. Please do not change the Trainee Armor 5 piece bonus in anyway. Needs to stay at 2500. Too many players (not myself) have invested in this set and spent large amounts of gold and time getting this set.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Exploration & Itemization
[*]Armor of the Trainee: Reduced the Max Magicka, Stamina, and Health granted by this item set to 1250 from 2500.

Thank you,
@CadaCosa

While I agree with your comment, your reasoning behind it is bad. Imagine a set is bugged and it gives you god mode, and everyone spends gold getting it. Should it not be fixed then?

FloppyTouch · January 2017

Dragon blood fix is MIA thanks for doing nothing about this ability if the low magic to get a heal goes live this mdk gives up all hope on mdk for pvp

DrummondWarrior · January 2017

Gotta admit... I have expressed frustration before about communication from Zos but these patch notes and the thread is awesome!!!! If this is a trend that continues then I very much look forward to what the future brings... Thank you for taking this direction.. it is greatly appreciated

@ZOS_GinaBruno

MrGorv · January 2017

@ZOS_RichLambert
Extending my previous post about proc sets.
Look at these:
1. Tremorscale. When you taunt an enemy, you have a 50% chance to cause a duneripper to burst from the ground beneath them, dealing 6500 Physical Damage to all enemies within 4 meters and reducing their Movement Speed by 70% for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.
2. Viper's Sting. Your Melee Attacks deal 6720 Poison damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds. 100% chance.
You nerfed the first one for 10%, while it has lower damage and twice lower proc chance with the same cooldown. I don't mean that Tremorscale shouldn't be nerfed. Point is, everything else should be ajusted too. Don't you see how ridiculos it is?

psxfloh · January 2017

sirinsidiator wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

The developer comments are a huge improvement, but please don't hide them in spoiler tags next time. I don't want to have to click every single one of them.

We figured this would be preferred so those who only want to see the changes can easily read them, but if you're interested in the reasoning, you can click to learn more. Not married to this formatting, though, and can consider doing it without the spoiler tags.

I think if you give them a different color and maybe make them italic that should make it easy enough for readers not interested in them to skip them. On the other hand I can't quickly skim through them without pressing the "show spoiler" button the way it is now.

if you know how to open the javascript console on your browser (usually by pressing F12 and looking for a "console" tab), open (or close) all spoiler tags at once by running:
var list = document.getElementsByClassName('SpoilerToggle'); [].forEach.call(list, function(e) {e.click();});

(to be more precise: this should switch the state of each spoiler tag, as if you clicked on it)

Minalan · January 2017

Zinaroth wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Item Sets
Armor of the Trainee: Reduced the Max Magicka, Stamina, and Health granted by this item set to 1250 from 2500.

Developer Comments
Armor of the Trainee was meant as an introductory set that required no advanced strategy to utilize. The attributes it was providing were too high as you could get the same amount of Stamina that Draugr Hulk’s 5-piece provided, as well as significant Magicka and Health bonuses. This set will now provide less Stamina than the Draugr Hulk 5-piece, but more overall stats.

PLAY THE WAY WE (ZOS) WANT

Give it a break already. That set is meant for a brand new player trying out their first dungeon, not a BIS end game PVP set.

It's not like we all don't have many other alternatives.

People are just frustratred that a set they golded out is becoming obsolete. Same thing every time a set is nerfed for the greater good. It's hilarious though to see them argue that it was part of some "unique" build. Nothing unique about flat increase in stats. It was simply overperforming hence why so many used it. Same with Black Rose who also got nerfed. I currently use a Black Rose set and I saw it coming a mile away. Either people lavk insight and objectivity or they are purposely derailing balance in this game to save some materials.

I'm a dual wield sorc. Want to buy some gold spinner swords? More than slightly used? Cost 700K new.

I understand gear becoming obsolete perfectly, which is why I'm saving up cash and farming BSW like everyone else.

I was quoting you because we agree.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I read the first 6 pages so please excuse me if this has been addressed. The changes to Cyrodiil AP have the potential to either be the greatest thing imaginable or terribly exploitable depending on how they are implemented.

As someone who frequently solos resources and only gets 25 AP for it, getting 1500 AP is a boon for players like myself. My worry is that if there is not a cooldown of, say, 30 minutes on a single resource (or possibly longer) then there WILL be cross faction guilds exploiting this. Ideally what we should avoid is a case where one group can flip it and then advance on and the next group do the same right after to get max AP. If this is possible some resources will be a conga line of AP farming. If one person can only get AP from a single resource every 30 minutes this would be avoidable.

As for the solo player, which I'm thinking was the reason for this addition, it should work great. Even in ideal circumstances we're still looking at at least 10 minutes to flip all 3 resources.

Anyway, as long as there is a cooldown on a single resource I think this is a GREAT change for solo players who want to actively help their alliance by flipping resources.

Got to agree with this guy. It's exploitable, and 1500 is a TAD high for PvDooring a resource guarded by dumb mobs. 1000 tops I'd say?