"Due to the overwhelming response..., we’ve decided .... Curse to retain its... PvP burst..."

CavalryPK · January 2017

Hey Guys can we get an overwhelming response to appropriately balance the mag night blade? Go to PTS for night blade and make an overwhelming response: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/311744/pts-feedback-thread-for-nightblade-balance-improvements#latest

Apparently we were not responding overwhelmingly...

Cheers

Lexxypwns · January 2017

Ranged mageblade got huge buffs man

Reverb · January 2017

Can we get more overwhelming feedback on this thread while we're at it? Maybe we can get the stun returned to Blazing Spear. Does anyone, anywhere actually support that change?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/311746/pts-feedback-thread-for-templar-balance-improvements/p1

willlienellson · January 2017

You know what would wreck this game completely (and largely already has)? Making balancing changes based on whatever outcry is most "overwhelming".

scrobey · January 2017

Nah

Derra · January 2017

willlienellson wrote: »

You know what would wreck this game completely (and largely already has)? Making balancing changes based on whatever outcry is most "overwhelming".

I´d argue that most of the concepts currently plaguing the game came from zos and ignoring feedback regarding them.

See CP system, poisons and proccsets as a popular example.

willlienellson · January 2017

Derra wrote: »

See CP system

You realize CP system was response to long term player outcry about Veteran ranks right? lol

NightbladeMechanics · January 2017

What if we made the Grim Focus proc do echo damage 8.5 seconds after landing one?

Play pattern on live:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

Play pattern following change:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
[continue weaving other abilities for 8.5s]
Spectral Arrow damage echos
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

This would be usable in pvp but would not alter class balance there. However, it would free up global cooldowns in pve dps rotations without turning the class into Spectral Arrow machine gun fragging sorcblades.

Note that if the ability were made to recast automatically on landing a proc, Grim Focus would work identically to frag in rotations. Frag on average casts every 4 abilities, normalized for rng, which is how often Grim Focus would fire if you didn't have to recast it.

Derra · January 2017

willlienellson wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

See CP system

You realize CP system was response to long term player outcry about Veteran ranks right? lol

Well that does not change the fact that it was terribly implemented as steep vertical progression system and all feedback regarding that fact has been ignored and the problem of 1500+ cp players has only been met with a CP cap instead of actually providing a horizontal progression system which should not have needed an artificial cap?

I´d argue the CP system was the complete opposite of what most players actually wanted as a longterm progression system.

kojou · January 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

What if we made the Grim Focus proc do echo damage 8.5 seconds after landing one?

Play pattern on live:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

Play pattern following change:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
[continue weaving other abilities for 8.5s]
Spectral Arrow damage echos
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

This would be usable in pvp but would not alter class balance there. However, it would free up global cooldowns in pve dps rotations without turning the class into Spectral Arrow machine gun fragging sorcblades.

Note that if the ability were made to recast automatically on landing a proc, Grim Focus would work identically to frag in rotations. Frag on average casts every 4 abilities, normalized for rng, which is how often Grim Focus would fire if you didn't have to recast it.

I personally think Grim Focus should just be active when you slot it, and you only cast it when it procs.

CavalryPK · January 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

What if we made the Grim Focus proc do echo damage 8.5 seconds after landing one?

Play pattern on live:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

Play pattern following change:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
[continue weaving other abilities for 8.5s]
Spectral Arrow damage echos
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

This would be usable in pvp but would not alter class balance there. However, it would free up global cooldowns in pve dps rotations without turning the class into Spectral Arrow machine gun fragging sorcblades.

Note that if the ability were made to recast automatically on landing a proc, Grim Focus would work identically to frag in rotations. Frag on average casts every 4 abilities, normalized for rng, which is how often Grim Focus would fire if you didn't have to recast it.

This sounds interesting. I wonder what @KenaPKK thinks about it.

Solariken · January 2017

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

What if we made the Grim Focus proc do echo damage 8.5 seconds after landing one?

Play pattern on live:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

Play pattern following change:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
[continue weaving other abilities for 8.5s]
Spectral Arrow damage echos
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

This would be usable in pvp but would not alter class balance there. However, it would free up global cooldowns in pve dps rotations without turning the class into Spectral Arrow machine gun fragging sorcblades.

Note that if the ability were made to recast automatically on landing a proc, Grim Focus would work identically to frag in rotations. Frag on average casts every 4 abilities, normalized for rng, which is how often Grim Focus would fire if you didn't have to recast it.

This sounds interesting. I wonder what @KenaPKK thinks about it.

He would probably have some good insight to offer if he weren't banned.

Strider_Roshin · January 2017

Solariken wrote: »

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

What if we made the Grim Focus proc do echo damage 8.5 seconds after landing one?

Play pattern on live:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

Play pattern following change:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
[continue weaving other abilities for 8.5s]
Spectral Arrow damage echos
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

This would be usable in pvp but would not alter class balance there. However, it would free up global cooldowns in pve dps rotations without turning the class into Spectral Arrow machine gun fragging sorcblades.

Note that if the ability were made to recast automatically on landing a proc, Grim Focus would work identically to frag in rotations. Frag on average casts every 4 abilities, normalized for rng, which is how often Grim Focus would fire if you didn't have to recast it.

This sounds interesting. I wonder what @KenaPKK thinks about it.

He would probably have some good insight to offer if he weren't banned.

He got banned? Dang, he's been around for a while too.

Anhedonie · January 2017

This is clearly a L2C issue.

Mojmir · January 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

What if we made the Grim Focus proc do echo damage 8.5 seconds after landing one?

Play pattern on live:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

Play pattern following change:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
[continue weaving other abilities for 8.5s]
Spectral Arrow damage echos
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

This would be usable in pvp but would not alter class balance there. However, it would free up global cooldowns in pve dps rotations without turning the class into Spectral Arrow machine gun fragging sorcblades.

Note that if the ability were made to recast automatically on landing a proc, Grim Focus would work identically to frag in rotations. Frag on average casts every 4 abilities, normalized for rng, which is how often Grim Focus would fire if you didn't have to recast it.

This sounds interesting. I wonder what @KenaPKK thinks about it.

He would probably have some good insight to offer if he weren't banned.

He got banned? Dang, he's been around for a while too.

The names may change but the games still the same

CavalryPK · January 2017

Solariken wrote: »

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

What if we made the Grim Focus proc do echo damage 8.5 seconds after landing one?

Play pattern on live:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

Play pattern following change:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
[continue weaving other abilities for 8.5s]
Spectral Arrow damage echos
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

This would be usable in pvp but would not alter class balance there. However, it would free up global cooldowns in pve dps rotations without turning the class into Spectral Arrow machine gun fragging sorcblades.

Note that if the ability were made to recast automatically on landing a proc, Grim Focus would work identically to frag in rotations. Frag on average casts every 4 abilities, normalized for rng, which is how often Grim Focus would fire if you didn't have to recast it.

This sounds interesting. I wonder what @KenaPKK thinks about it.

He would probably have some good insight to offer if he weren't banned.

What ? lol I saw him yesterday in Raw... did he get banned today ?

Reverb · January 2017

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

What if we made the Grim Focus proc do echo damage 8.5 seconds after landing one?

Play pattern on live:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

Play pattern following change:
Cast ability before beginning combat
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Ability
Light attack
Fire Spectral Arrow
[continue weaving other abilities for 8.5s]
Spectral Arrow damage echos
Recast Grim Focus
(...Repeat)

This would be usable in pvp but would not alter class balance there. However, it would free up global cooldowns in pve dps rotations without turning the class into Spectral Arrow machine gun fragging sorcblades.

Note that if the ability were made to recast automatically on landing a proc, Grim Focus would work identically to frag in rotations. Frag on average casts every 4 abilities, normalized for rng, which is how often Grim Focus would fire if you didn't have to recast it.

This sounds interesting. I wonder what @KenaPKK thinks about it.

He would probably have some good insight to offer if he weren't banned.

What ? lol I saw him yesterday in Raw... did he get banned today ?

Banned from the forums, not the game

NightbladeMechanics · January 2017

Examine this account carefully.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

I don't want massive buffs . I want incredible buffs . Everyone's definition of massive is too low .

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

Scale all weapon damage off the highes stat between magic and stam . Then I'll be happy .

Tryxus · January 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't want massive buffs . I want incredible buffs . Everyone's definition of massive is too low .

Yeah, I wanna feel like an Assassin again, and have the right buffs in the right places

Also (@ OP), better not to beg for buffs for now. Let's see how the buff to Path and the changes to the Destro Staves will affect us, and then try to determine what needs changed.

Altho tbh, I do feel a little underwhelmed by the changes so far: 2 nerfs (not bad ones thank goodness, but it did cause me to get discouraged from playing my main. Nothing a good ol' rousing round of late night pvp won't fix

) and 1 buff to a useful skill in PvE (even tho the devs seem to want it be more attractice for pvp instead). But considering Rich said they are going to look into Grim Focus does give me hope (a tiny bit tho

)

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Examine this account carefully.

Can I insert a Muttley laugh here?

NightbladeMechanics · January 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Examine this account carefully.

Can I insert a Muttley laugh here?

They'll figure it out eventually.

CavalryPK · January 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Examine this account carefully.

Oh. Ohhhhhhh. Ohhhhhhhhh. I get it now. I guess the profile pic should have been a giveaway . I feel silly now.....

NightbladeMechanics · January 2017

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Examine this account carefully.

Oh. Ohhhhhhh. Ohhhhhhhhh. I get it now. I guess the profile pic should have been a giveaway . I feel silly now.....

@Solariken @Mojmir

Solariken · January 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Examine this account carefully.

Oh. Ohhhhhhh. Ohhhhhhhhh. I get it now. I guess the profile pic should have been a giveaway . I feel silly now.....

@Solariken @Mojmir

The fecund shadows birth frightful secrets @NightbladeMechanics...

But on topic, I don't see why they don't just make Grim Focus a normal 20s buff that refreshes automatically when the spectral bow is fired. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

MythicEmperor · January 2017

The only reason sorcs have a louder voice than us is because half of the magblades rerolled.