The whole argument against letting people hide vampirism is ridiculous

Aliyavana · January 2017

In reading another thread here I feel the whole argument that's being thrown around is that its one of the downsides of looking like a vampire and to deal with it, use a skin etc... stop telling us to deal with it, if you want to look like a vampire its fine but don't force it on us and tell us how to play the game just because you think vampires should look like it. you can hide vampirism with wearing covered motifs and you can use disguises and with skins that i earned which are equally hidious so why cant i earn a skin to look normal? plus addons tell you if a person is a vampire anyway on pc. quest in friggin rivenspire and you can see varandis ravenwatch hiding his vampirism perfectly fine so don't give me this "its a different strain so its lore" as if a npc can hide it why cant we? I am a master vampire so why havnt I learned the ability to hide it by now? I would spend one of my 327 skillpoints if I could to hide my vampirism or love to unlock it as a skin from being a master vampire. At this point I would even buy it from the crown store...

tldr its cute that you all think vampires shouldn't be able to hide their vampirism but I gave you a lore reason along with equally restrictive and hideous bypasses for hiding it. if you want vampires to look like that just stay looking like a vampire? a smart vampire would blend in to the crowds in the city anyway. cosmetic changes will not increase my dps or give me an advantage over other players...

starkerealm · January 2017

It's a different bloodline, so lore.

Amusingly, if we go by Daggerfall's bloodlines, Varandis shouldn't be able to hide his nature either.

But, yeah. Personally, I think it'd be cool if we got all four stages as skins, and a normal human skin, as we went up through the skill line. Maybe 1 and 2 when first infected, then 3, 4, and mortal when we hit master.

EnemyOfDaState · January 2017

The only argument I ever made one way or another about it is that ZOS should revamp vampires so you actually look like a vampire. I'm tired of people looking for ways to cover up ZOS's stupid design choices, just make your designs better.

LordGavus · January 2017

I used to think that vamps shouldn't be able to hide their vampirism, then I realised I was using a costume that hid my vampirism (not the reason I was wearing it).
So I figure if any costume or skin can hide vampirism, then I see no issue with vamps wanting to use a plain skin or something to hide it too.

Ankael07 · January 2017

At this point people are arguing for the sake of arguing online. I heard some people say '' Meridia hates undead she wont work with a vampire'' while in the same storyline Sir Cadwell admits to be working for Meridia.
That being said I dont see Zos making such thing available in short time otherwise people wouldnt buy new costumes or DLCS for the skins.

Pixel_Zealot · January 2017

I get why people would like to hide it, but I don't think hiding it would solve the problem.

I believe they need to rework the vamp and ww looks as it's pretty lazily done. It does look bad and they need to make it look better, not give people a reason to want to hide it.

old_mufasa · January 2017

Mainly because people here just like to beat down other peoples ideas and like to argue....

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

The only argument I ever made one way or another about it is that ZOS should revamp vampires so you actually look like a vampire. I'm tired of people looking for ways to cover up ZOS's stupid design choices, just make your designs better.

This is my opinion as well . Everyone likes good art and design . Make vampire look like past franchise vampires . They were great . The bloated drowned corpse and bleached fur , scales and tattoos is just lazy design , not canon .

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

The ironic part is the one who turned us into vampires is Lamae Bal wasn't it and in the other post someone talked about her being the mother of our vampire kind, but she hardly looks anything like we do

Arundo · January 2017

Welcome to the ESO forums where every discussion or thread gets the attention of the forum trolls who's sole purpose is to disagree with the OP, even if it does not affect them at all.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Arundo wrote: »

Welcome to the ESO forums where every discussion or thread gets the attention of the forum trolls who's sole purpose is to disagree with the OP, even if it does not affect them at all.

If your talking about me, I have a Vampire which I hide my face behind Velidreth's mask the spider queen of horror

TheShadowScout · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

It's a different bloodline, so lore.

Amusingly, if we go by Daggerfall's bloodlines, Varandis shouldn't be able to hide his nature either...

...but whoever says its a bloodline thing? Count Ravenwatch IS a mage after all, so it might be a spell, or some enchanted item, right?

The point here is - we have seen a NPC do it, so there should be a way for players to do it as well.
Doesn't matter if it was a toggleable skill (which would have the drawback of taking up a skill slot), or an enchanted ring (which would have the drawback of taking up a jewelry slot) or a disguise (which would have the drawback of preventing stealth and poofing at taking damage).
And the effect may be to lower the appearance one level - meaning you can look mortal at stage one, but if you let yourself go to stage two, the disguise fails, one way or another...

And of course if we do get the option... then player vamps also should get some incentive to use it, aka... city guards attacking the "bloodsucking fiends" on sight if they realize their undead-ish state.

And while we're at it... also dig into the vampire clichees and add more to ESO. An additional debuff during sublight, balanced by a buff at nighttime. Halved swimming speed to show why vamps dislike "running water". No food buffs, but added drink recipes for vamps, to make more drinks with stat buff and feeding effects. Voluntary feedings from blood donor NPCs and possibly even willing player characters. And perhaps even a vampire sanctuary, with crafting stations, and vampire-only vendors who sell stuff for vamps. (Personally I would even dish out a drawback when breaking and entering, due to "enter without permission" thing, but I guess that may be a little too much...)

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's a different bloodline, so lore.

Amusingly, if we go by Daggerfall's bloodlines, Varandis shouldn't be able to hide his nature either...

...but whoever says its a bloodline thing? Count Ravenwatch IS a mage after all, so it might be a spell, or some enchanted item, right?

The point here is - we have seen a NPC do it, so there should be a way for players to do it as well.
Doesn't matter if it was a toggleable skill (which would have the drawback of taking up a skill slot), or an enchanted ring (which would have the drawback of taking up a jewelry slot) or a disguise (which would have the drawback of preventing stealth and poofing at taking damage).
And the effect may be to lower the appearance one level - meaning you can look mortal at stage one, but if you let yourself go to stage two, the disguise fails, one way or another...

And of course if we do get the option... then player vamps also should get some incentive to use it, aka... city guards attacking the "bloodsucking fiends" on sight if they realize their undead-ish state.

And while we're at it... also dig into the vampire clichees and add more to ESO. An additional debuff during sublight, balanced by a buff at nighttime. Halved swimming speed to show why vamps dislike "running water". No food buffs, but added drink recipes for vamps, to make more drinks with stat buff and feeding effects. Voluntary feedings from blood donor NPCs and possibly even willing player characters. And perhaps even a vampire sanctuary, with crafting stations, and vampire-only vendors who sell stuff for vamps. (Personally I would even dish out a drawback when breaking and entering, due to "enter without permission" thing, but I guess that may be a little too much...)

They could do a whole DLC worth of material on vampires and players would buy it up . Same with werewolves . Players love the monster classes , they are everywhere in game .

Mojmir · January 2017

deal with it, you want the skill line? take the ugly that goes with it.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

deal with it, you want the skill line? take the ugly that goes with it.

^^this.

you chose to be a parasite.....

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

deal with it, you want the skill line? take the ugly that goes with it.

The ugly part is what vampires always conceal in almost every generation, they mask themselves to blend in. As people have mentioned if they just left the yellow eyes and take away the pale bloated skin it would come to a middle conclusion imo.

Also you can literally just wear a helmet now and you wouldn't even know if someone is a vampire or not, which is the main Pvp excuse just doesn't cut it tbh.

DigitalShibby · January 2017

Seriously? You're upset because you want to be vampire but not look like a vampire...
Next you'll be pissed because you want to be an orc but look like an imperial lol.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Seriously? You're upset because you want to be vampire but not look like a vampire...
Next you'll be pissed because you want to be an orc but look like an imperial lol.

No next thing I want is that all the races in game to become Yordle's instead

ArchMikem · January 2017

You know, I've argued against hiding Vampirism more than once because I'm always trying to support keeping things logical and lore friendly, but now I just don't care anymore. Go ahead and give them the option, doesn't affect me whatsoever.

Aliyavana · January 2017

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Seriously? You're upset because you want to be vampire but not look like a vampire...
Next you'll be pissed because you want to be an orc but look like an imperial lol.

Racials have lore to back then up so doing that would break lore

Darkonflare15 · January 2017

Ankael07 wrote: »

At this point people are arguing for the sake of arguing online. I heard some people say '' Meridia hates undead she wont work with a vampire'' while in the same storyline Sir Cadwell admits to be working for Meridia.
That being said I dont see Zos making such thing available in short time otherwise people wouldnt buy new costumes or DLCS for the skins.

Sir Caldwell is a soul shriven not a vampire thus not undead. They are not consider undead because they function more like daedra than undead.

Zbigb4life · January 2017

Why would you hide what you are? Aren't you proud of your blood line

Jemcrystal · January 2017

Did not know this was an issue. I was looking to vamp my Dunmer. So is there links to pics to show exactly what is wrong? Or at least can you tell me. Is the skin to pale? Eyes sunken in? What?

DPShiro · January 2017

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Seriously? You're upset because you want to be vampire but not look like a vampire...
Next you'll be pissed because you want to be an orc but look like an imperial lol.

Yeah I want this!
Then all my ugly Redguards, Imperials etc can look like the glorious and superior Altmer!

OT: Deal with it or just don't be a vampire.

pattyLtd · January 2017

While i prefer to just get rid of the look all to getter i would be fine with the look of current stage 1 to be stage IV and just the red eyes at stage 1 or something.

You know just to keep it simple to adjust haha.
Stage IV looks so bad that it's just unplayable for me

Tryxus · January 2017

The only thing I want is that my bodymarkings become nice and visible again

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

Trolls arrived breathing heavy at the title .

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

deal with it, you want the skill line? take the ugly that goes with it.

The ugly part is what vampires always conceal in almost every generation, they mask themselves to blend in. As people have mentioned if they just left the yellow eyes and take away the pale bloated skin it would come to a middle conclusion imo.

Also you can literally just wear a helmet now and you wouldn't even know if someone is a vampire or not, which is the main Pvp excuse just doesn't cut it tbh.

Only when fully fed though. If you were a stage 4 vampire in skyrim / oblivion and Morrowind even you were always a fully fledged vampire. Oblivion even people attacked you on sight.

Titansteele · January 2017

Does it bother me if Zos made this change? No, it is cosmetic so "meh"

Does it bother me if time spent on this change took away from doing something worthwhile? Yes

kieso · January 2017

Do watever. Lore in this game has been butchered so hard most elder scrolls fans don't even consider this game canon.

Aliyavana · January 2017

kieso wrote: »

Do watever. Lore in this game has been butchered so hard most elder scrolls fans don't even consider this game canon.

Explain how zos butchered canon lol