It finally happened!

darkllord · January 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

darkllord wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

darkllord wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

It is their guild to run how they see fit. Your rage is at a cancerous level.

This guy is right.

darkllord wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

darkllord wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

We work for hours each day with drawings, group compositions, tactics, plans, applicants etc. Its basically a full time job for us.

No offense meant, but this must be sad life ...but to each their own I guess.

People have their passions/hobbies, I for one am a team type of person rather than a solo worker. I love playing with my friends for competition.

I do like playing with my guildies as well. Thats the reason Im playing MMO. But spend hours by planning tactics for content that can be made by pug and have it as full time job id just sad to me.

kmate pug vmol pls, or vmol hardmode. Have you done it? No? oh... almost thought you had a point, turned out it was just a dumb judgemental remark by a nobody. To each their own I guess.

And are you sure about this or it is just your guess? Believe it or not, but I don´t need to prove anything to a random guy on the internet. And in the computer game above that. I just said my opinion, thats all. And yes, you are right, I´m as nobody as the next guy - you, here on the internet.

| World First Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj Hard Mode clear |
People still use their strategies when going for hardmode clears. I think he's sure about it

Ok, I was not speaking of HM.

Um, what kind of endgame progression guild wouldn't be doing hardmode though? Isn't that exactly the point of a progression guild? To continually strive to be top of the leaderboards for the hardest content in the game?

Dude, this was not my point. I dont want to argue if somebody is doing hm or non hm or is doing strategies plans and whatnot. My original thought and reaction was, that I find sad, that somebody can invest so much time into the computer game, that he can say, that it is like full time job. But that is just my opinion, nothing more. Everyone can do whatever pleases him/her as long as its legit.

Bloody-Goodbyes · January 2017

I would have left a long time ago had I been in that situation. Wanting good numbers is one thing, wanting them bad enough to *** in my lap? No ty. Plenty of other endgame guilds around who are pleasant and reasonable to have to deal with that rubbish.

Live to your own standards and expectations, if someone has a problem with that you don't need them anyway.

Valiaron · January 2017

nordsavage wrote: »

It is their guild to run how they see fit. Your rage is at a cancerous level.

Cold dude, ice cold. You would fit in nicely there

G0ku · January 2017

Can´t see what´s the meaning of this discussion other than taking revenge on the guild that kicked you.

Progression -> improving your scores further and further

Endgame -> beat trials for beating it, probably not hardmode

Casual -> finish trials in normal mode to get the gear

Choose one, and choose right. You were in the wrong place, no reason to badmouth anyone. People who sneak in to get the achievement while not being able to pull their own weight are just a burden to the other players in the raidgroup. Personally I´m trying to do the step from endgame to progression right now. As soon as I get the impression I´m a leech on my fellow players I will happily step back and give my spot to someone better suited. If that mindset is not your cup of tea then progression is not made for you.

tunepunk · January 2017

On one hand i can understand the competitiveness of some guilds who wants to rise on the leaderboards. But that wouldn't be for me. If someone asked me to change gear, skills, playstyle, and participate on their terms I wouldn't wanna be part of that guild.

I'm pretty satisfied with my current setup as a DPS, and I don't even have a clue what my current DPS is (I uninstalled all addons), and I don't care. All i know is that I've sacrificed a little bit of DPS for survivability, because a dead DPS is no DPS at all, and i think that's one factor some groups should keep in mind. I wouldn't feel safe running around doing endgame content as a complete glass cannon, just to meet a DPS criteria, putting more strain on healers.

More DPS usually means Less survivability. If you die, you don't DPS, and someone has to rez you. In my eyes that's less desirable than a bit lower DPS.

aetherial_heavenn · January 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

I won't lie I know all sets in game. this is a game and it's supposed to be fun but if you think Soulshine and Soul Assault is bad and that there are other alternatives, name them, defend your argument, because I'm searched a lot and didn't find *much* (let's emphasize this) information about Magicka Templar in one Tamriel.

More even! Give publicly the advice or the "mentoring" it should be given while in the guild, instead of giving me a a worthless Magicka DK video.

This is another reason I don't think a progression guild is suited for you, you're arguing what is good and what is not with a theorycrafter. You shouldn't be stubborn to those offering advice to up your damage, like I previously said, most of your damage comes from how you are built.

For Magicka DPS

Twice Born Star (Crafted)
Infallible Aether (Dropped)
Moondancer (Dropped)
Burning Spellweave (Dropped)
Julianos (Crafted)
Scathing Mage(Dropped)
Grothdarr (Dropped)
Skoria (Dropped)
Ilambris (Dropped)

These are the sets you want to focus on as an end game player, no other set should be included here. I do not want to argue it if you ask me to, take the advice how you want to.

This bears repeating. For those who wish to progress. Even casual, just learning normal trials, players like me find this kind of advice useful. Some of us enjoy progressing, just more slowly and gently than the mini-maxers.

To the OP:
Personally I feel progression trials guilds are a bit too much like competitive A grade sports clubs for my taste. I am not cut out for it. I prefer the more casual end game approach. Less stress. And hitting those numbers on a magicka templar in that dungeon is hard. Specially when you lag, so weaving and swapping slows you down. This is one reason I never DPS on my templar. She's not built for it, I'm not good enough at rotations, and lag adds 300-500ms per second and plays havoc with cancelling. I heal. Templars are good at that.

But some people thrive on mini-maxing, shaving seconds off completions, comparing parses, no death runs, leaderboard scores,.....progression guilds are where they live. They select others who can play at the same level and get better week by week. They expect training and commitment and hold themselves to those standards. And they enjoy it. Just like in A-grade sports tams in real life, there is no obligation on these teams to select someone who doesn't meet those standards. Doing so would prevent their fun.

Each to their own.

Finding the right fit with any type of guild...social, end game, progressive, PvP, role play, whatever, can take a few attempts. It is bad manners to bad-mouth your 'ex's though. It doesn't win you friends, long term.

I do hope you find a nice end game guild where you can bring your experience to others who are just learning. Who knows, you may be leading them in vet trials yourself in a few months!

edit: i hope the last sentence didn't come across as trolling or condescending. It was genuine. One of our GMs decided vet trials were not possible for him due to the mad lag atm. So he's been leading our social guild members thru normals on gear runs. We think we may be ready to start learning /wiping in vet trials in a couple of months: the healers are geared and so are the tanks, 4 dps meet the requirements so far. It will take time to get another 4 ready and a second tank. Lots of end game guilds would welcome you for similar reasons.

pattyLtd · January 2017

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Nifty2g wrote: »

pattyLtd wrote: »

I'm sure this is already been sad but i didn't read all the responses.

Anyway I wouldn't even want to be part of this so called "end-game guild" but what surprises me most is that they kick loyal members that been part of the guild for a year.

I mean I am sure you played end game stuff with them in that time and then it's extremely rude imo to kick someone if they fail to meet some requirements they have made up or read somewhere else on the internet.

Not sure what's going on here but i find it odd. Either way *** them sounds like you have less idiots to deal with in your life while playing a GAME. let it go!

There is a DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROGRESSION END GAME AND END GAME guilds.

Progression means you are EXPECTED to improve and want to improve as a group and go for scores and be competitive which means you are trying/are in the 1%

End Game just means you run end game content at a casual type level.

OP WAS IN A PROGRESSION END GAME GUILD, and did not want to do what was expected. This is not the GM's problem or the officers in there, they are simply enforcing rules to keep their guild in check for those who want to succeed.

EDIT: I guess this post comes off as rude, but really stop blaming the guild for their actions, it's very hard to run a progression end game guild, and I feel as if OP had gotten himself into a guild that thought had a different meaning. I can understand that, but the guild should not have this written over the forums, especially when the GM is putting in so much effort and is a great player.

Nah, don't really think it's rude at all actually find the capped parts in your post quite usefull.

If this is the goal of the guild and it's clear it is for anyone that joins it then it's fair enough but then i'm surprised OP is upset about it as i'm sure he been through these evaluations before.

It's not my cup of tea though but i won''t join a guild with requirements like this in the first place.

efster · January 2017

op

you have a literal laundry list of complaints about a guild that you didn't even get to know. you claim you rolled a tank which is "not so common" a role, except, uh, this guild is stacked with some of the best DK tanks in game and many of the non-main-tank players have raid-ready tank alts

maybe next time try to really find out what you can do for your guild before demanding that the guild do things for you. just a suggestion

Iselin · January 2017

So many fail posts in this thread about elitism lol.

Look if there was only one level of difficulty for trials, you'd have a small point. But even then, that wouldn't account for those who want to play the game differently than you do. What should people who want to play the game at the highest possible level do? Make a guild, of course, and look for players that share their interest.

Just because you bought this game, it doesn't mean you're entitled to belong to every guild or do content you can't handle while others carry you.

So many people bring the "me, me, me" solo mindset to group play it isn't even funny.

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

tunepunk wrote: »

On one hand i can understand the competitiveness of some guilds who wants to rise on the leaderboards. But that wouldn't be for me. If someone asked me to change gear, skills, playstyle, and participate on their terms I wouldn't wanna be part of that guild.

I'm pretty satisfied with my current setup as a DPS, and I don't even have a clue what my current DPS is (I uninstalled all addons), and I don't care. All i know is that I've sacrificed a little bit of DPS for survivability, because a dead DPS is no DPS at all, and i think that's one factor some groups should keep in mind. I wouldn't feel safe running around doing endgame content as a complete glass cannon, just to meet a DPS criteria, putting more strain on healers.

More DPS usually means Less survivability. If you die, you don't DPS, and someone has to rez you. In my eyes that's less desirable than a bit lower DPS.

Just one issue with your logic. You assume that going full into DPS mode means you are more likely to die. That actuslly isnt correct. Speccing fully offensively still leaves you with enough health to survive anything in the game. People die a lot not because they specced offensively, but because they are bad at being aware..

tunepunk · January 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

On one hand i can understand the competitiveness of some guilds who wants to rise on the leaderboards. But that wouldn't be for me. If someone asked me to change gear, skills, playstyle, and participate on their terms I wouldn't wanna be part of that guild.

I'm pretty satisfied with my current setup as a DPS, and I don't even have a clue what my current DPS is (I uninstalled all addons), and I don't care. All i know is that I've sacrificed a little bit of DPS for survivability, because a dead DPS is no DPS at all, and i think that's one factor some groups should keep in mind. I wouldn't feel safe running around doing endgame content as a complete glass cannon, just to meet a DPS criteria, putting more strain on healers.

More DPS usually means Less survivability. If you die, you don't DPS, and someone has to rez you. In my eyes that's less desirable than a bit lower DPS.

Just one issue with your logic. You assume that going full into DPS mode means you are more likely to die. That actuslly isnt correct. Speccing fully offensively still leaves you with enough health to survive anything in the game. People die a lot not because they specced offensively, but because they are bad at being aware..

Hmmmm, well it works both ways. If you're constantly roll dodging/blocking and avoiding stuff you're potentially losing a fair amount of DPS, right? High DPS on best case scenario is on a boss that hits like wimp, without a any major area damage. My current approach is a little less DPS but a bit more survivability, so in many cases I don't even bother to move out of most red circles, and just keep hammering. (Except for one shot mechanics, and really hard hits)

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

tunepunk wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

On one hand i can understand the competitiveness of some guilds who wants to rise on the leaderboards. But that wouldn't be for me. If someone asked me to change gear, skills, playstyle, and participate on their terms I wouldn't wanna be part of that guild.

I'm pretty satisfied with my current setup as a DPS, and I don't even have a clue what my current DPS is (I uninstalled all addons), and I don't care. All i know is that I've sacrificed a little bit of DPS for survivability, because a dead DPS is no DPS at all, and i think that's one factor some groups should keep in mind. I wouldn't feel safe running around doing endgame content as a complete glass cannon, just to meet a DPS criteria, putting more strain on healers.

More DPS usually means Less survivability. If you die, you don't DPS, and someone has to rez you. In my eyes that's less desirable than a bit lower DPS.

Just one issue with your logic. You assume that going full into DPS mode means you are more likely to die. That actuslly isnt correct. Speccing fully offensively still leaves you with enough health to survive anything in the game. People die a lot not because they specced offensively, but because they are bad at being aware..

Hmmmm, well it works both ways. If you're constantly roll dodging/blocking and avoiding stuff you're potentially losing a fair amount of DPS, right? High DPS on best case scenario is on a boss that hits like wimp, without a any major area damage. My current approach is a little less DPS but a bit more survivability, so in many cases I don't even bother to move out of most red circles, and just keep hammering. (Except for one shot mechanics, and really hard hits)

You dont need to dodge/ block stuff...nothing in the game needs it. Proper positioning is what saves you during high outgoing damage phases. For the endgame playstyle you should never spec defensively (maybe only for learning the fight), you should use your awareness and good positioning to alleviate deaths.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2017

Why are so many people so keen on making judgements without like 1/5th of the facts?

Syrani · January 2017

robertberanek wrote: »

Syrani wrote: »

I am in 3 guilds that run trials on a regular schedule. Let's call them Guild #1, Guild #2, and Guild #3. Guilds 1 and 2 have no DPS requirements. Guild 1 has yet to beat the last boss of vMoL, Guild #2 has beat the last boss of vMoL several times now, and we even skip synergy phase. Guild #3 is a very competitive guild, has several teams within the guild, and some of those teams require 40K DPS...

You forgot to add, that Guild #2 has only one requirement - be there for raid or @Syrani will hunt you down and break your legs

LOL! That's right, because it's RAID DAY dangit!!

whyterose · January 2017

I never understood why people stay in such guilds, this guild sounds more like a job and not fun at all. I use to be in a similar end game guild in a few other MMO"s but decided when I started playing ESO I was just going to have fun, and not stress out on high-end gear or content.

I guess if the OP thinks this type of game play is fun, sounds like its best to just find a nicer group of people, which I hope they do.

Iselin · January 2017

whyterose wrote: »

I never understood why people stay in such guilds, this guild sounds more like a job and not fun at all. I use to be in a similar end game guild in a few other MMO"s but decided when I started playing ESO I was just going to have fun, and not stress out on high-end gear or content.

I guess if the OP thinks this type of game play is fun, sounds like its best to just find a nicer group of people, which I hope they do.

So you did it once yourself but you never understood why? Okay.

Soafee · January 2017

You can't really get mad at a guild that demands certain things from certain players. They have a "status quo" to upkeep and they want people to do it. However, there are hundreds of guilds that would accept you for who you are and won't kick you for not getting a certain criteria.

There are guilds like this in every game that has clans, guilds, or whatever. Some people out there aim to be the best of the best and if you hold them back they will remove you. They don't care if you have an infant child, a mother, a father. They want to win and they need people to do certain things. (I think most of the time they want you to do more work than they have to.)

The only thing you can do is just move on. Take it from someone that had to leave a guild in another game after being a dedicated member for almost 2 years because they decided someone else was worth more than I was after I had my daughter and couldn't dedicate 100% of my time with them. It's sad but don't let that bring you down, just move on.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

I think the problem lay squarely with you. I mean, if you felt bad enough that a weight was lifted from your shoulders, then why even hang around for a few minutes? It's a game, not some job that you needed to keep as to provide for your family and to keep a roof over your head. Bizarre in the extreme. We do enough shite and need to put up with enough shite in real life without incorporating that into a video game or at least something that's supposed to be fun.

I get some people like their games to be a matter of life and death, that their very online existence is at stake if they don't get all serious and risk having an aneurysm over trivial pixels and irrelevant "meta" data, but you're obviously not one of them.

magnusthorek · January 2017

It's been awhile since I don't play as I used to.

I broke bad because of the stuff related in this topic (and others worse cr*p I've omitted). I used to have fun doing pledges everyday (even the boring ones), 4~5 trials runs in a row in both weekend days... Heck, I even stopped PvP'ing for a while without being kicked from the lovely skillzful Guild I'm member (kiss in the butt for you guys S2)

Of course, I was fully committed when important events happened and I managed to get into, different of what some people thin and said because of the non-orthodox gear combo I use (which I may change to prove myself I was wrong from the start, who knows). But, then again, nowadays I have much more fun farming gear (even if I don't need) or if it's with PUGs or pursuing useless achievements.

It's being truly refreshing breathe fresh non-polluted air.

code65536 · January 2017

Disclaimer: I am a member of this guild. I'm not a part of the leadership, I don't know what words were exchanged between the OP and the guild's leaders, and everything that I say in this post is my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the guild.

You've complained in this thread--and in guild chat--about time zones. Brazil is UTC -3. Eastern US is UTC -5. It's not a huge gap. In addition to the bulk of US players, we have many players in the guild from Oceanic time zones (Australia, etc.) and even a number of people from Europe. It's a diverse range of time zones, and there are always people online at any given time. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are always things going on--people generally don't want to raid in the mornings, and most people make schedule accommodations so that they can be online during the various prime times. You can't expect a guild to shift their schedule for you. When I got my first vMoL clear last July, it was with the guild's Australian group, and as someone who lives in the US, it meant getting up very early--much earlier than someone in Brazil. I never found reason to complain about it--I did what I had to do.
You complained about the recent vMoL weeklies being formed up "in secret". They were not. They were announced in the guild's Discord server (and there were multiple in-game reminders for people to join the server) and people signed up for them in the Discord server.
You said, "During afternoon (here) which is when I usually play, I literally have to beg for pledges or trials for weekly and people don't even answer. I understand if people don't want to do or can't in that moment but why the silence?" I can tell you that a lot of times, when I say "LF1M DPS for all three pledges", I get complete silence too. And when someone else asks for a DPS for pledges, and I don't feel like doing them, I say... nothing. Do you really expect each online member to say, "nope, not interested"? If you're met with silence, it means nobody is interested. And you're not always met with silence--I've seen people respond to you plenty of times.
I don't know what DPS parses you sent to the leadership (or what they were looking for specifically). But I did see the two that you posted publicly in the old Discord server. One of them is the topside boss of vHRC, and the other was a 37s parse of the final boss of vHRC. Both are invalid--the decoys on the topside boss take inflated damage and the final 37 seconds is just Radiant Destruction execution. But the fact that you posted both of them for consideration for the DPS requirements suggests something more: that you don't really understand the game. This is further reinforced by things like your insistence on using Soulshine with Soul Assault or when you got the idea to spec your magplar into a 2-hander stamplar for PvE.
You recently wanted to try tanking. That's fine. The way to go about it is to get together some simple tank gear and go tank. You need to learn the role. This is what I and others told you. Instead of practicing tanking, you decided that what you needed most was to get Alkosh gear. Yes, Alkosh is an excellent set for tanking. No, you don't need to run Alkosh when tanking. I wasn't wearing Alkosh when I cleared vMoL on my tank (even though I had the Alkosh pieces available--I never got around to reworking my build for Alkosh until very recently). But more than that was how you approached it. Saying, "Nobody wants to farm nMoL with me. Don't you want me to tank for you?" in guild chat isn't the kind of thing that will win you many friends. Instead of mastering the mechanics and skills of tanking, you instead begged people for farm runs for optional tank gear. I have been on a number of runs where the stated goal was "let's help our healer get X gear and our tank get Y gear", but these are for people who are experienced healer and tanks who raid with us on a regular basis, and everyone is happy to help in situations like that. Why do you expect people to go out of their way to farm special gear for someone who hasn't fully grasped the role?
Ultimately, it comes down to attitude. You need to be receptive to advice. You often were not. You need to strive to improve. You often gave excuses instead. You should ask how you can contribute to the guild. Not demand that people in the guild serve your whims.

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am a member of this guild. I'm not a part of the leadership, I don't know what words were exchanged between the OP and the guild's leaders, and everything that I say in this post is my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the guild.
You've complained in this thread--and in guild chat--about time zones. Brazil is UTC -3. Eastern US is UTC -5. It's not a huge gap. In addition to the bulk of US players, we have many players in the guild from Oceanic time zones (Australia, etc.) and even a number of people from Europe. It's a diverse range of time zones, and there are always people online at any given time. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are always things going on--people generally don't want to raid in the mornings, and most people make schedule accommodations so that they can be online during the various prime times. You can't expect a guild to shift their schedule for you. When I got my first vMoL clear last July, it was with the guild's Australian group, and as someone who lives in the US, it meant getting up very early--much earlier than someone in Brazil. I never found reason to complain about it--I did what I had to do.

You complained about the recent vMoL weeklies being formed up "in secret". They were not. They were announced in the guild's Discord server (and there were multiple in-game reminders for people to join the server) and people signed up for them in the Discord server.

You said, "During afternoon (here) which is when I usually play, I literally have to beg for pledges or trials for weekly and people don't even answer. I understand if people don't want to do or can't in that moment but why the silence?" I can tell you that a lot of times, when I say "LF1M DPS for all three pledges", I get complete silence too. And when someone else asks for a DPS for pledges, and I don't feel like doing them, I say... nothing. Do you really expect each online member to say, "nope, not interested"? If you're met with silence, it means nobody is interested. And you're not always met with silence--I've seen people respond to you plenty of times.

I don't know what DPS parses you sent to the leadership (or what they were looking for specifically). But I did see the two that you posted publicly in the old Discord server. One of them is the topside boss of vHRC, and the other was a 37s parse of the final boss of vHRC. Both are invalid--the decoys on the topside boss take inflated damage and the final 37 seconds is just Radiant Destruction execution. But the fact that you posted both of them for consideration for the DPS requirements suggests something more: that you don't really understand the game. This is further reinforced by things like your insistence on using Soulshine with Soul Assault or when you got the idea to spec your magplar into a 2-hander stamplar for PvE.

You recently wanted to try tanking. That's fine. The way to go about it is to get together some simple tank gear and go tank. You need to learn the role. This is what I and others told you. Instead of practicing tanking, you decided that what you needed most was to get Alkosh gear. Yes, Alkosh is an excellent set for tanking. No, you don't need to run Alkosh when tanking. I wasn't wearing Alkosh when I cleared vMoL on my tank (even though I had the Alkosh pieces available--I never got around to reworking my build for Alkosh until very recently). But more than that was how you approached it. Saying, "Nobody wants to farm nMoL with me. Don't you want me to tank for you?" in guild chat isn't the kind of thing that will win you many friends. Instead of mastering the mechanics and skills of tanking, you instead begged people for farm runs for optional tank gear. I have been on a number of runs where the stated goal was "let's help our healer get X gear and our tank get Y gear", but these are for people who are experienced healer and tanks who raid with us on a regular basis, and everyone is happy to help in situations like that. Why do you expect people to go out of their way to farm special gear for someone who hasn't fully grasped the role?

Ultimately, it comes down to attitude. You need to be receptive to advice. You often were not. You need to strive to improve. You often gave excuses instead. You should ask how you can contribute to the guild. Not demand that people in the guild serve your whims.

I used up two full tubs of popcorn reading this. I bow at the level of Rekt you just delivered:)

magnusthorek · January 2017

I should't do this because I respect you big time, code, and I think you know that, but...

code65536 wrote: »

You can't expect a guild to shift their schedule for you. When I got my first vMoL clear last July, it was with the guild's Australian group, and as someone who lives in the US, it meant getting up very early

I never said I wanted the guild ro do that and when I got my vMoL I did the same, waking up very early and I'm glad I did that, it's worth

code65536 wrote: »

You complained about the recent vMoL weeklies being formed up "in secret". They were not. They were announced in the guild's Discord server

Fine, I admit I didn't know that because I didn't use to open Guild's Discord often and when I did thete were just "random" postings in a few days.

I suppose I can speak freely now.

I assume you're a very well educated and polite person from the few runs we had together so, if one player is interested in doing the weekly, even it being vMoL, the said person manifested interest earlier but for lack of knowledge missed the sign-in, do you really think it would it be a big deal a small heads-up?

code65536 wrote: »

I can tell you that a lot of times, when I say "LF1M DPS for all three pledges", I get complete silence too. And when someone else asks for a DPS for pledges, and I don't feel like doing them, I say... nothing. Do you really expect each online member to say, "nope, not interested"? If you're met with silence, it means nobody is interested. And you're not always met with silence--I've seen people respond to you plenty of times.

Although now I agree that this is completely non-sense in the way it was argumented in the text, it's not strictly to pledges or trials that I felt a drastic reduction in all communication.

Perhaps it's just paranoia think it was personal, I was indded sad while writing the text, but it's totally understandable you (or me, for the context) log in the game, wanting to play, looking for a Guild group, somehow intimately targettng players that are logged for quite some time, doing NOTHING in zone (playing emotes, using random skills...) and a few minutes after asking seen these players you admire so much (I do admire several in Guild) doing with other members what you wanted to do.

Alright, alright, everyone is free to do what they want with whoever they want but it's a very basic companionship I felt reduced for quite some weeks before the incident because, although I did get grouped within the Guild it was much less often than when I was a rookie

code65536 wrote: »

Both are invalid--the decoys on the topside boss take inflated damage and the final 37 seconds is just Radiant Destruction execution.

As you know, eventually, the inflation doesn't apply anymore during Yokeda Kai's battle. I made sure of that and was very clear on the private message sent.

The 37s parse was indeed a mistake I noticed only after sent. I stopped to rez someone and FTC screwed my report.

code65536 wrote: »

That you don't really understand the game.

I might not have your experience your knowledge but I do my best as long it doesn't make the game a "job"

code65536 wrote: »

This is further reinforced by things like your insistence on using Soulshine with Soul Assault or when you got the idea to spec your magplar into a 2-hander stamplar for PvE.

Like I commented earlier I'll go after the "meta" gear to prove myself I'm REALLY wrong.

It IS a great set for magplar, might not be the best, but it's very good. My vMoL clear in which I pulled 35k was with this set back then all pieces were still purple.

Mentioning an EXPERIMENT I did during my brief time as stamplar is almost a low kick as I really don't like playing as stamina and have indeed not much knowledge on it. Never said otherwise!

code65536 wrote: »

The way to go about it is to get together some simple tank gear and go tank. (...) Instead of practicing tanking, you decided that what you needed most was to get Alkosh gear.

That's a lie!

I started looking for Alkosh AFTER getting a set of Akaviri Dragonguard which was AFTER getting Ebon Armory which was AFTER I succesfully tanked vCoA and vWGT with nothing more than Tava's Favor.

code65536 wrote: »

"Don't you want me to tank for you?"[/I]

Quote malformed by accident. On phone right now.

I indeed posted and even started semi-PUG groups for nMoL farming mainly for Moondancer. Alkosh would be a happy consequence. When I used Alkosh as argument I was referring to Weekly Rewards only. And then again always considering chances.

I NEVER posted publicly I was able to tank a trial nor volunteering to tank a trial for anyone.

I MENTIONED once I would like to try tanking vHRC and I could TRY to tank vAA.

I don't know why they let me tanked vAA and in the end I did a moderate job, considering it was the first time.

code65536 wrote: »

(...) you instead begged people for farm runs for optional tank

Again, Moondancer was always the primary goal. Alkish would be a happy consequence.

And begging for trials... Only, and maybe, if weekly.

code65536 wrote: »

who are experienced healer and tanks who raid with us on a regular basis, and everyone is happy to help in situations like that.

IMHO this the kind of favoritism that shouldn't exist so strongly.

Yes, it's interesting to gave your best healer/tank with the best (optional) gear, but restrict runs so only some would have the right to them and later, maybe months later, such sets become BiS and a requirement for these tanks-to-be to stay in Guild, they would be purged because they don't havem the gear they wanted to farm in first place.

It's almos like Inception.

code65536 wrote: »

Ultimately, it comes down to attitude. You need to be receptive to advice. You often were not.

This is also a lie and you know it because you were one of first players I talked to about tank gear and I accepted and understood all your advices.

code65536 wrote: »

You need to strive to improve. You often gave excuses instead. You should ask how you can contribute to the guild.

I don't "strive". I don't see me being stubborn defending set X while "some dev" (in his words) said "meta" is Y.

Funny... Everyone outside the "elite club" have to low down the head and take every word coming from the top and not having personal opinions or wishes and still must deify the guild without any promuses of return.

It's a very arcaic ay of thinking. To me it's a bith way road.

code65536 wrote: »

Not demand that people in the guild serve your whims.

Wow... That was low...

---

Well... This was a nice discussion, I enjoyed seeing a lot of players share some of my thoughts, I even learned something... what a surprise, but it's getting exhausting.

If anyone else wants to answer or even conract me in private feel free to do it. I won't answer here anymore.

Cya in Tamriel... or not, might even drop game for a while...

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

I should't do this because I respect you big time, code, and I think you know that, but...

code65536 wrote: »

You can't expect a guild to shift their schedule for you. When I got my first vMoL clear last July, it was with the guild's Australian group, and as someone who lives in the US, it meant getting up very early

I never said I wanted the guild ro do that and when I got my vMoL I did the same, waking up very early and I'm glad I did that, it's worth

code65536 wrote: »

You complained about the recent vMoL weeklies being formed up "in secret". They were not. They were announced in the guild's Discord server

Fine, I admit I didn't know that because I didn't use to open Guild's Discord often and when I did thete were just "random" postings in a few days.

I suppose I can speak freely now.

I assume you're a very well educated and polite person from the few runs we had together so, if one player is interested in doing the weekly, even it being vMoL, the said person manifested interest earlier but for lack of knowledge missed the sign-in, do you really think it would it be a big deal a small heads-up?

code65536 wrote: »

I can tell you that a lot of times, when I say "LF1M DPS for all three pledges", I get complete silence too. And when someone else asks for a DPS for pledges, and I don't feel like doing them, I say... nothing. Do you really expect each online member to say, "nope, not interested"? If you're met with silence, it means nobody is interested. And you're not always met with silence--I've seen people respond to you plenty of times.

Although now I agree that this is completely non-sense in the way it was argumented in the text, it's not strictly to pledges or trials that I felt a drastic reduction in all communication.

Perhaps it's just paranoia think it was personal, I was indded sad while writing the text, but it's totally understandable you (or me, for the context) log in the game, wanting to play, looking for a Guild group, somehow intimately targettng players that are logged for quite some time, doing NOTHING in zone (playing emotes, using random skills...) and a few minutes after asking seen these players you admire so much (I do admire several in Guild) doing with other members what you wanted to do.

Alright, alright, everyone is free to do what they want with whoever they want but it's a very basic companionship I felt reduced for quite some weeks before the incident because, although I did get grouped within the Guild it was much less often than when I was a rookie

code65536 wrote: »

Both are invalid--the decoys on the topside boss take inflated damage and the final 37 seconds is just Radiant Destruction execution.

As you know, eventually, the inflation doesn't apply anymore during Yokeda Kai's battle. I made sure of that and was very clear on the private message sent.

The 37s parse was indeed a mistake I noticed only after sent. I stopped to rez someone and FTC screwed my report.

code65536 wrote: »

That you don't really understand the game.

I might not have your experience your knowledge but I do my best as long it doesn't make the game a "job"

code65536 wrote: »

This is further reinforced by things like your insistence on using Soulshine with Soul Assault or when you got the idea to spec your magplar into a 2-hander stamplar for PvE.

Like I commented earlier I'll go after the "meta" gear to prove myself I'm REALLY wrong.

It IS a great set for magplar, might not be the best, but it's very good. My vMoL clear in which I pulled 35k was with this set back then all pieces were still purple.

Mentioning an EXPERIMENT I did during my brief time as stamplar is almost a low kick as I really don't like playing as stamina and have indeed not much knowledge on it. Never said otherwise!

code65536 wrote: »

The way to go about it is to get together some simple tank gear and go tank. (...) Instead of practicing tanking, you decided that what you needed most was to get Alkosh gear.

That's a lie!

I started looking for Alkosh AFTER getting a set of Akaviri Dragonguard which was AFTER getting Ebon Armory which was AFTER I succesfully tanked vCoA and vWGT with nothing more than Tava's Favor.

code65536 wrote: »

"Don't you want me to tank for you?"[/I]

Quote malformed by accident. On phone right now.

I indeed posted and even started semi-PUG groups for nMoL farming mainly for Moondancer. Alkosh would be a happy consequence. When I used Alkosh as argument I was referring to Weekly Rewards only. And then again always considering chances.

I NEVER posted publicly I was able to tank a trial nor volunteering to tank a trial for anyone.

I MENTIONED once I would like to try tanking vHRC and I could TRY to tank vAA.

I don't know why they let me tanked vAA and in the end I did a moderate job, considering it was the first time.

code65536 wrote: »

(...) you instead begged people for farm runs for optional tank

Again, Moondancer was always the primary goal. Alkish would be a happy consequence.

And begging for trials... Only, and maybe, if weekly.

code65536 wrote: »

who are experienced healer and tanks who raid with us on a regular basis, and everyone is happy to help in situations like that.

IMHO this the kind of favoritism that shouldn't exist so strongly.

Yes, it's interesting to gave your best healer/tank with the best (optional) gear, but restrict runs so only some would have the right to them and later, maybe months later, such sets become BiS and a requirement for these tanks-to-be to stay in Guild, they would be purged because they don't havem the gear they wanted to farm in first place.

It's almos like Inception.

code65536 wrote: »

Ultimately, it comes down to attitude. You need to be receptive to advice. You often were not.

This is also a lie and you know it because you were one of first players I talked to about tank gear and I accepted and understood all your advices.

code65536 wrote: »

You need to strive to improve. You often gave excuses instead. You should ask how you can contribute to the guild.

I don't "strive". I don't see me being stubborn defending set X while "some dev" (in his words) said "meta" is Y.

Funny... Everyone outside the "elite club" have to low down the head and take every word coming from the top and not having personal opinions or wishes and still must deify the guild without any promuses of return.

It's a very arcaic ay of thinking. To me it's a bith way road.

code65536 wrote: »

Not demand that people in the guild serve your whims.

Wow... That was low...

---

Well... This was a nice discussion, I enjoyed seeing a lot of players share some of my thoughts, I even learned something... what a surprise, but it's getting exhausting.

If anyone else wants to answer or even conract me in private feel free to do it. I won't answer here anymore.

Cya in Tamriel... or not, might even drop game for a while...

I gotta say if I heard a player in my guild was running soulshine and soul assault I would t kick him, but I would never take him seriously...also he wouldnt pass the dps vheck with this gear...

Metafae · January 2017

I'm one of the members of this guild, and I'm sorry to see that you've been so upset by the whole event.
I've noticed a lot of people have been hating on the guild for being too demanding or something along those lines, which is entirely unfair and needs explanation.

This guild has been going through major changes for quite a while now.
Over a year ago this guild was much more casual, and had a lot of members from this time.
Very little entry standards. I had actually been in this guild at that time for a month or two before leaving it for a trading guild spot simply because I needed to sell and something had to go.

I joined again a couple months later when I had a free guild spot and I had heard the guild was getting more serious about trials. Since then I've been learning a lot about the game and really improving my skills. The people in the guild have really been helping me a lot.

I've managed to get Flawless on vma on three different characters as a direct result of the help I've gotten from a lot of the really talented players in the guild. When I run trials with them I watch closely my dps % of the total group, and I feel proud if I'm managing to get 12.5% of the total dps, as it means I've been keeping up with all the amazing players in the guild.

Even though I've improved a lot, they have also improved in this time, so I'm always trying to keep up and git gud.

This is something I really enjoy about ESO, as I want to get better and this guild has proved to be a great resource for this goal. It pushed me to be better and has some really amazingly skilled players that will gladly help you out when you ask for it. I understand that this might not be ideal for everyone, but the elitist hate that is in this thread is just wrongly placed.

In regards to the deadline, we were given plenty of time to prepare for it, and it was a long time coming. We were also informed that we could reapply to the guild after the deadline if we didn't make the cut. It's important to note that the deadline dps test wasn't solely about getting great dps, it was also about showing that you're active in the guild and that you were committed to getting better and wanted to participate with what the guild was offering. There were a lot of great players who had been absent for months now that got removed too.

On a side note, I had in the past formed up some more casual trials with this guild on my own initiative, I found that if you announced it in guild chat you would get 0 response, people just don't read guild chat and find it easy to ignore. I ended up whispering every single person in the guild who was not in cyrodiil or dungeon/trial if they were keen, and BAM! Full team and I unfortunately had to let some people down who responded a little bit too late.

TL;DR This guild has done nothing wrong and is a great resource for those who use it for its intended purpose. OP had been given not only enough warning about the deadline, but also the opportunity to reapply afterwards if they didn't make the cut.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

Metafae wrote: »

This guild has been going through major changes for quite a while now.
Over a year ago this guild was much more casual, and had a lot of members from this time.

This guild expects long-term commitment from its members but doesn't mind getting rid of years old members who don't fit their new criteria when the "administration" decides to go from casual to progression. Reciprocity matters.

You think it's great because you improved towards high level performance, but all those who didn't, either because they couldn't or because they didn't want to, had to leave regardless of their prior involvement to the guild. I wouldn't call that fair.

(I don't know that guild, I'm based on the informations in this thread alone).

Renoaku_ESO · January 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Renoaku_ESO wrote: »

As for people raging lol you have never seen me when I rage, I actually go off more than just writing a text post, I have over 1000 VPN servers, proxies, and I am not afraid to go troll, and stir *** up when a Guild Leader actually decides to be a ***, Luckily I have only ran into one of those in the past 5 years, and I put them all in their place still have all the evidence against the said guild, and Audio / Video Records too...

This part right here makes me believe that the real root of the problem was your attitude. You said in the thread starter that they hated you. People are less likely to cut someone some slack if they don't like them. It's human nature. And frankly, if the way you interacted with your guild bore any resemblance to the way you're comporting yourself here (with the above quote being an example) it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't like you.

???
@Renoaku_ESO = / = OP...

lol oops, total fail on my part. Thanks for letting me know @anitajoneb17_ESO!

Apologies OP, I mixed you up with the person I was quoting. I retract what I said entirely, as it wasn't even your post that made me think maybe it was obvious why they didn't like you! My bad!

haha nope not OP, just have experience with ***-head guild leaders in the past 10 years some people are absolutely awful, its kinda sad that ESO has so many things where Guild Masters can backstab you and you lose progress in your guild not familiar with it all yet, but am familiar with losing anything you put in the clan bank with no way to get it back if a leader decides to take off or kick you especially in games with harder donation amounts and drama that peeps start...

I am sure there are a lot of good Guilds in ESO, just speaking in general about some i've met over the years with total jerks, and someone just told me in another game in general (Treat other people how you wanted to be treated.) Treat me like a jerk don't be shocked if I hit back lol, and I've crippled the few Guilds that have had such people even shut down a few people might see this as a bad thing, but I see it as a good thing its no fun when you got a new player who comes into a game only to be met by toxic guilds or jerks in general not really just related to ESO...

Generally this happens in guilds though from experience where there are "Too Many Leaders" "Guild Leaders, and people who don't follow their own standards and rules they set" "Leadership change" Have seen these issues greatly cause issues in a few cases over many years which is part of the reason why in a popular MMO, guild leadership needs to be more of a Social Interaction to prevent trolling, and backstabbing / backstabbing guild leaders where everyone can see comments and such lead by others and so on, as well as things that prevent a person from just being kicked with no compensation if they hold a share in a guild rather than a leader just making up ranks, but this is me... There are on the other hand sometimes good leaders from a guild i've been in for years now since my last toxic encounter, have not had an issue with a single person there that said I know guilds exist, but its how leadership handles an issue...

Another good example is how a Admin on a private server was threatening to have me banned, won't give names of the server or game, but basically they threatened the content I made and was wearing the person was a stuck-up *** and almost started a huge war with me and their server had they have proceeded to be a *** about it I would have shut down their little server and RPG that they were spending around $900+ a month to run just because I could nothing they could legally do about it they could try but trust me I have more experience with this... This being said my years using the game / service I found the actual (Lead Admin) and talked to them and they resolved the issue, and told me it should have never happened, and they were sorry just please change the custom content I was using.

This is often an example of the difference between a Admin, or Guild Leader being a jerk, and creating drama, even destroying a clan, and the reputation of a clan, game, or server, and why its important to have Good Leaders, rather than bad who immediately jump on others like a ***, I understand there are people who just flat out break rules, or do bad things to troll, but not everyone is there on a server, or joins a guild to do that.

And really I don't care what people think about what I say I have done lol I've been gaming for over 15 years soon enough to know there are many great Guilds, respectful people but there are a hand-full of guilds out there with the said jerks, and this is where having a Social Guild System in a MMO prevents trolling, as it removes anonymity such as creating a new character and trolling etc, as well as leaves a trail of reputation example (EVE Online) when a character joins a corporation everyone can see what guild they were a member of, and so on. It prevents this type of stuff in any game But I do have yet to see it, and this is one great thing about Face Book require Real Information, although this isn't always the case generally it keeps people from being rude to one another, and there are polite ways to dismiss or ask a person to leave a guild, or for a said individual to leave a guild, or group rather than being a jerk.

GreenhaloX · January 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am a member of this guild. I'm not a part of the leadership, I don't know what words were exchanged between the OP and the guild's leaders, and everything that I say in this post is my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the guild.
You've complained in this thread--and in guild chat--about time zones. Brazil is UTC -3. Eastern US is UTC -5. It's not a huge gap. In addition to the bulk of US players, we have many players in the guild from Oceanic time zones (Australia, etc.) and even a number of people from Europe. It's a diverse range of time zones, and there are always people online at any given time. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are always things going on--people generally don't want to raid in the mornings, and most people make schedule accommodations so that they can be online during the various prime times. You can't expect a guild to shift their schedule for you. When I got my first vMoL clear last July, it was with the guild's Australian group, and as someone who lives in the US, it meant getting up very early--much earlier than someone in Brazil. I never found reason to complain about it--I did what I had to do.

You complained about the recent vMoL weeklies being formed up "in secret". They were not. They were announced in the guild's Discord server (and there were multiple in-game reminders for people to join the server) and people signed up for them in the Discord server.

You said, "During afternoon (here) which is when I usually play, I literally have to beg for pledges or trials for weekly and people don't even answer. I understand if people don't want to do or can't in that moment but why the silence?" I can tell you that a lot of times, when I say "LF1M DPS for all three pledges", I get complete silence too. And when someone else asks for a DPS for pledges, and I don't feel like doing them, I say... nothing. Do you really expect each online member to say, "nope, not interested"? If you're met with silence, it means nobody is interested. And you're not always met with silence--I've seen people respond to you plenty of times.

I don't know what DPS parses you sent to the leadership (or what they were looking for specifically). But I did see the two that you posted publicly in the old Discord server. One of them is the topside boss of vHRC, and the other was a 37s parse of the final boss of vHRC. Both are invalid--the decoys on the topside boss take inflated damage and the final 37 seconds is just Radiant Destruction execution. But the fact that you posted both of them for consideration for the DPS requirements suggests something more: that you don't really understand the game. This is further reinforced by things like your insistence on using Soulshine with Soul Assault or when you got the idea to spec your magplar into a 2-hander stamplar for PvE.

You recently wanted to try tanking. That's fine. The way to go about it is to get together some simple tank gear and go tank. You need to learn the role. This is what I and others told you. Instead of practicing tanking, you decided that what you needed most was to get Alkosh gear. Yes, Alkosh is an excellent set for tanking. No, you don't need to run Alkosh when tanking. I wasn't wearing Alkosh when I cleared vMoL on my tank (even though I had the Alkosh pieces available--I never got around to reworking my build for Alkosh until very recently). But more than that was how you approached it. Saying, "Nobody wants to farm nMoL with me. Don't you want me to tank for you?" in guild chat isn't the kind of thing that will win you many friends. Instead of mastering the mechanics and skills of tanking, you instead begged people for farm runs for optional tank gear. I have been on a number of runs where the stated goal was "let's help our healer get X gear and our tank get Y gear", but these are for people who are experienced healer and tanks who raid with us on a regular basis, and everyone is happy to help in situations like that. Why do you expect people to go out of their way to farm special gear for someone who hasn't fully grasped the role?

Ultimately, it comes down to attitude. You need to be receptive to advice. You often were not. You need to strive to improve. You often gave excuses instead. You should ask how you can contribute to the guild. Not demand that people in the guild serve your whims.

I used up two full tubs of popcorn reading this. I bow at the level of Rekt you just delivered:)

Not knowing the guild, but from what the OP has posted with his complaints and from the rebuttal of this former guildie of his, seems a guild has actually made a more formal (loosely termed) organization within ESO, i.e. "administration, officers, requirements of DPS" and such. This is when things transcend from being just a game to it being a job. Wow.. if true, demanding members to meet certain aspects, such as dps ratio/output.. nice. No longer are you to just enjoy "a game", but seemingly members are pressured to perform and meet requirements. This guild seems serious. Are there also paying positions within this game?

SolidusPrime · January 2017

Geeze. That doesn't sound like any fun whatsoever. It's a game, not a job lol.

Renoaku_ESO · January 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am a member of this guild. I'm not a part of the leadership, I don't know what words were exchanged between the OP and the guild's leaders, and everything that I say in this post is my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the guild.
You've complained in this thread--and in guild chat--about time zones. Brazil is UTC -3. Eastern US is UTC -5. It's not a huge gap. In addition to the bulk of US players, we have many players in the guild from Oceanic time zones (Australia, etc.) and even a number of people from Europe. It's a diverse range of time zones, and there are always people online at any given time. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are always things going on--people generally don't want to raid in the mornings, and most people make schedule accommodations so that they can be online during the various prime times. You can't expect a guild to shift their schedule for you. When I got my first vMoL clear last July, it was with the guild's Australian group, and as someone who lives in the US, it meant getting up very early--much earlier than someone in Brazil. I never found reason to complain about it--I did what I had to do.

You complained about the recent vMoL weeklies being formed up "in secret". They were not. They were announced in the guild's Discord server (and there were multiple in-game reminders for people to join the server) and people signed up for them in the Discord server.

You said, "During afternoon (here) which is when I usually play, I literally have to beg for pledges or trials for weekly and people don't even answer. I understand if people don't want to do or can't in that moment but why the silence?" I can tell you that a lot of times, when I say "LF1M DPS for all three pledges", I get complete silence too. And when someone else asks for a DPS for pledges, and I don't feel like doing them, I say... nothing. Do you really expect each online member to say, "nope, not interested"? If you're met with silence, it means nobody is interested. And you're not always met with silence--I've seen people respond to you plenty of times.

I don't know what DPS parses you sent to the leadership (or what they were looking for specifically). But I did see the two that you posted publicly in the old Discord server. One of them is the topside boss of vHRC, and the other was a 37s parse of the final boss of vHRC. Both are invalid--the decoys on the topside boss take inflated damage and the final 37 seconds is just Radiant Destruction execution. But the fact that you posted both of them for consideration for the DPS requirements suggests something more: that you don't really understand the game. This is further reinforced by things like your insistence on using Soulshine with Soul Assault or when you got the idea to spec your magplar into a 2-hander stamplar for PvE.

You recently wanted to try tanking. That's fine. The way to go about it is to get together some simple tank gear and go tank. You need to learn the role. This is what I and others told you. Instead of practicing tanking, you decided that what you needed most was to get Alkosh gear. Yes, Alkosh is an excellent set for tanking. No, you don't need to run Alkosh when tanking. I wasn't wearing Alkosh when I cleared vMoL on my tank (even though I had the Alkosh pieces available--I never got around to reworking my build for Alkosh until very recently). But more than that was how you approached it. Saying, "Nobody wants to farm nMoL with me. Don't you want me to tank for you?" in guild chat isn't the kind of thing that will win you many friends. Instead of mastering the mechanics and skills of tanking, you instead begged people for farm runs for optional tank gear. I have been on a number of runs where the stated goal was "let's help our healer get X gear and our tank get Y gear", but these are for people who are experienced healer and tanks who raid with us on a regular basis, and everyone is happy to help in situations like that. Why do you expect people to go out of their way to farm special gear for someone who hasn't fully grasped the role?

Ultimately, it comes down to attitude. You need to be receptive to advice. You often were not. You need to strive to improve. You often gave excuses instead. You should ask how you can contribute to the guild. Not demand that people in the guild serve your whims.

I used up two full tubs of popcorn reading this. I bow at the level of Rekt you just delivered:)

Not knowing the guild, but from what the OP has posted with his complaints and from the rebuttal of this former guildie of his, seems a guild has actually made a more formal (loosely termed) organization within ESO, i.e. "administration, officers, requirements of DPS" and such. This is when things transcend from being just a game to it being a job. Wow.. if true, demanding members to meet certain aspects, such as dps ratio/output.. nice. No longer are you to just enjoy "a game", but seemingly members are pressured to perform and meet requirements. This guild seems serious. Are there also paying positions within this game?

Honestly, even if I did return to ESO, I wouldn't join or be part of any guild who demands members play on (X) Days, or any guild that uses (DKP), or threatens kicks just for not hitting a certain standard DPS Set, in the end all that counts IMO is killing the damn boss who cares, with time comes experience, of course this doesn't mean that a person shouldn't try to play and gear themselves up as good as possible, but some guilds I have met are just too demanding, use DPS meters what may or may not be fully accurate, and while they are complaining about someones healing or DPS, example Final Fantasy XIV complaining because hearlers were healing, and damage dealing, kicking healers from parties being rude, then its just not worth my time in general...

Obviously I have no way to confirm where the said guild that I don't know of actually did anything, or who is lying etc, its part of the drama, I just mention my bad experiences with a few guilds over the last years, and toxic people its awful to be on the end of that, and there are just certain things and types of guilds I won't bother joining as they are not for me, and I prefer to be with a guild like the one I am in for the last years that helps new people rather than making them leave the game.

And when I say drama I mean if X player in a guild for example breaks a rule, or says something for example "Racist" on Team Speak there should always be evidence before anything is done example (Audio logs) (Video) (Screen Shots) There are some toxic experiences in community where friends have another friend lie for them and that said player gets kicked, but for one over the years I have been really good at collecting that kind of stuff, in fact I have a folder on my computer listed (Drama) sorted by (Clan Name) and names of the said people for that reason.

Kodrac · January 2017

Some people seem to forget this is just a game - not life, not a job. But hey, whatever gets you your jollies...