Do we need "Trials Finder"?

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Nah

ForsakenSin wrote: »

You just need 2 healers and 1 tank that is it and after that we done others as well.

Yeah and tahts the root of the problem. In group finder you can meet many people who are picking the roles theyre not actually playig, to get faster queue.
On EU not everyone speaks English so you cant even communicate sometimes. And many people dont read chat.
If you're picking people from /z there is some minimal communication. In most group finder groups there's none, usually just "hello/bye", and sometimes not even that.

JinMori · January 2017

EvilCroc wrote: »

Yes, but with no kick option and without 15 min timer.

So if you have a complete noob in a vet trial you can't continue the trial? 1 single person can wipe your entire group if he doesn't know what he's doing. Because that's what will happen.

Mojmir · January 2017

Nah

I wouldn't use anyway lol

Edziu · January 2017

Sure thing!

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

on vet mode it will be fail but to vet trials people have friends, guild

a big YES for normal trials in finder, it will be good thing for people wanted go on normal trials, they will dont be reliant by zone, some people to find group.
as for now those who want farm these normal trials are reliant on zone on which they are and on leaders who looking for mates, leaders also will have easier job to creat this group without hoping on every zone.
mostly people looking for mates for normal trials in more populated zones like craglorn and zones with pledges quests and then what if someone want go normal trial but he is also questing on less populated zones or just in quest zones? they can mostly in every moment break quest to go on this trial if they want so finder for normla trials will be very nice to see

Well, its obvious that vet trials are abosolutely out of question.
But even in normals you need minimal coordination. For example, Hel Ra, after the fisrt boss. You need to split group and send the tank to the left side. Doors close almost immediately, and half of the pug can get stuck behind the door.
In AA, people need to split group, there must be a healer on left and right sides, and even taunting isnt that obvious for new players. I pugged nAA the other day, and the tank only taunted the MAge, while her axes were randomly attacking people. Wasnt a big deal, but we had decent dps and I had an optimized healing build with good sustain.
Or lets take a look at Sanctum Ophidia, where you need to pull 2 levels at the same time. Or, even worse, nMoL with all these twin aspects or Rakkhat mechanics. Everything is pretty easy on normal difficulty, but you still need runners and running like a headless chicken on second boss can still cause a wipe. First boss can also be problematic with very low dps.
Also, lets not forget that for trials we need a tank and at least one (preferably 2) healers. It doesnt matter if they dont have minamxed builds/warhorns/whatever, but they have to play their roles. If you pug through group finder tool, you can even expect that - there's a lot of fake tanks and healers. With good dps its possible to ignore that in normal dungeons, but it will make normal trials impossible for average players.
Of course, you can just type the strategy in the chat, but most of group finder players dont read it/dont care, and thats an issue.

so? its normal, good player will go only on veteran, normal is also to learn mechanics, mostly people using grouping tool for normal trial will know what to do, there is no problem if you will get few begginers, if they have potential they will learn easily mechanics, if not, then just kick and look for another mates via grouping tool and zone if you want, kicked noobs will have punish cooldown to use next time this tool so you wont get them again especially on normal trial

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

Nah

Edziu wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

on vet mode it will be fail but to vet trials people have friends, guild

a big YES for normal trials in finder, it will be good thing for people wanted go on normal trials, they will dont be reliant by zone, some people to find group.
as for now those who want farm these normal trials are reliant on zone on which they are and on leaders who looking for mates, leaders also will have easier job to creat this group without hoping on every zone.
mostly people looking for mates for normal trials in more populated zones like craglorn and zones with pledges quests and then what if someone want go normal trial but he is also questing on less populated zones or just in quest zones? they can mostly in every moment break quest to go on this trial if they want so finder for normla trials will be very nice to see

Well, its obvious that vet trials are abosolutely out of question.
But even in normals you need minimal coordination. For example, Hel Ra, after the fisrt boss. You need to split group and send the tank to the left side. Doors close almost immediately, and half of the pug can get stuck behind the door.
In AA, people need to split group, there must be a healer on left and right sides, and even taunting isnt that obvious for new players. I pugged nAA the other day, and the tank only taunted the MAge, while her axes were randomly attacking people. Wasnt a big deal, but we had decent dps and I had an optimized healing build with good sustain.
Or lets take a look at Sanctum Ophidia, where you need to pull 2 levels at the same time. Or, even worse, nMoL with all these twin aspects or Rakkhat mechanics. Everything is pretty easy on normal difficulty, but you still need runners and running like a headless chicken on second boss can still cause a wipe. First boss can also be problematic with very low dps.
Also, lets not forget that for trials we need a tank and at least one (preferably 2) healers. It doesnt matter if they dont have minamxed builds/warhorns/whatever, but they have to play their roles. If you pug through group finder tool, you can even expect that - there's a lot of fake tanks and healers. With good dps its possible to ignore that in normal dungeons, but it will make normal trials impossible for average players.
Of course, you can just type the strategy in the chat, but most of group finder players dont read it/dont care, and thats an issue.

so? its normal, good player will go only on veteran, normal is also to learn mechanics, mostly people using grouping tool for normal trial will know what to do, there is no problem if you will get few begginers, if they have potential they will learn easily mechanics, if not, then just kick and look for another mates via grouping tool and zone if you want, kicked noobs will have punish cooldown to use next time this tool so you wont get them again especially on normal trial

People wont be taught any mechanics if they just randomly charge in. Especially if they charge in without a tank and healer (and this issue already exists in 4 man content).
Those noobs can just join /z pugs and get minimal explanations.

ForsakenSin · January 2017

Sure thing!

@KoshkaMurka

yhea i suppose so , im not saying it will be perfect 100% i know DPS will que as healer or tank to get it but at least its easier then spamming the zone chats all the time and if you can replace them, that would be faster.

Maybe group trial finder can be set up differently. You can JOIN or Start a Trial , Join will place you in random and Start will go in the following;

When you select Start say Vet Helra 12 positions show up vertical , you select what you need so for example
Cp Range 400-561

2 Picture of DPS, Picture of Healer, Picture of Tank
3 Picture of DPS, Picture of Healer, Picture of Tank
4 Picture of DPS, Picture of Healer, Picture of Tank
5 Picture of DPS, Picture of Healer, Picture of Tank
6 Picture of DPS, Picture of Healer, Picture of Tank

And you easy select the picture you need for each person to be or pictures same as you can select what roll you are playing.

As a leader you can replace somebody with ease if they are selecting rolls they don't play as.

Lukums1 · January 2017

Nah

The truth is:

No.

You don't need this OR want this.

You think you do, you don't.

All that will occur is obtaining *** ass tanks that think they are tanks when they ain't.

You're better off finding a group of solid people forming your own core team and class it as progression.
Even if this did come out I'll assure you know no one will use it, mmm maybe 1 time but that will be the end.

Normals - If you want a trial finder meh fine it's smash buttons on your face anyway with virtually no mechanics to worry about.
Vet - Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about asking for a trial finder for vet, clueless absolutely clueless.

raj72616a · January 2017

Sure thing!

i'm thinking, is an unofficial addon capable of working as a group finder? if it's not in the base game, at least we know those who use it will be somewhat literate

ScooberSteve · January 2017

Wow just wow

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · January 2017

Sure thing!

Yes if you can set CP requirements.

johu31 · January 2017

Sure thing!

Why not? Those that don't want to pug it don't have too.. those that do can.

TrueGreenSmoker · January 2017

Yes and No
Yes for people who never done them
No because most people don't want a pug group they want to run it and finish it with in an hour or 2 not more so they want people who know the trial's and when these guilds/groups carry people it's just 1 or 2 people not more or else they lose too much DPS or Heals

I ran trials (3 times Sanctum) I still need to do AA and Hel Ra but to be honest I am not worried about trials I PvP almost all day.

paulsimonps · January 2017

Nah

You try puging a veteran trial and it will just end up in total failure, try explaining all the mechanics and call out the orders via chat and then see what will happen. Or have people not even read chat and do whatever they want, I see it happen all the time in normal trials we just pug, now try it on veteran trials. I have seen groups with such low dps we had to go almost 2 full laps on normal Rakkath, that is the kind of groups you will get with that, no thank you. The system is not needed, Trials are for guilds.

lardvader · January 2017

Yes but only for normal mode. And the tool needs to be better than the dungeon finder....

ChuckyPayne · January 2017

Sure thing!

Yes and No.

Normal ok, but need requirements every trial (for example purple sets + CP xyz).
Veteran maybe. requirements: max cp cap, with legendary sets, done at least once in normal mode.

This is lfg. if the conditions are not met, you can use zone/guild/etc chat to find group.

GreenhaloX · January 2017

Nah

Too many elitists will start protesting that they have queued into a group with other players who they perceived are not good enough for them. Kicking players out and complaints/posting from kicked players will be more rampant. Eeh, I changed my vote.. sure, why not, let's have a trial finder and see the drama unfold.

nick_dean14 · January 2017

Nah

Whilst in theory this would be nice, it would never work.

You might have half a chance of eventually getting a full group where everyone is actually flagged as the role they're actually going to perform, and if no one gets kicked, or bails after one group death. And if you did, you'd maybe have half a chance of clearing normal mode, assuming you don't end up with 8 DPS that are spamming bow light attacks. But it's laughable to think you'd be able to sort out a vet group through a group finder. To get the right mixture of ranged and melee DPS, with access to the right armour sets, all with builds capable of handling such demanding content, all from a PUG, would be next to impossible. It can sometimes be hard enough in 4-player dungeons.

If anyone thinks they should be able to do end-game, 'as hard as it gets', content with a selection of 11 other people that they've never played with before they're deluding themselves.